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56 minutes ago, menobrown said:

FFPC

Not involved:

Team A gave: 1.3/1.8

Teams B gave: 1.2, 2.2, 3.2 and Brees

I'd much rather have 1.3/1.8.  The consensus is a top 7 exists but for me its a clear top 8 and I'm debating whether to take the extra guy over a couple of the more standard options.

 

Also not overly big on Taylor and prefer who I would take at 3, so consolidating those extra picks into 2 players I view as studs and have high confidence evaluations on is an easy win.

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23 minutes ago, menobrown said:

The team who gave up Brees still has Watson and they are not a contender. The team who got Brees is a contender and has Baker

Brees did put up 25 PPG his full 10 games and has now added Sanders and did not really unlock Jared Cook until late in the year. He does that over a full season he's QB5 last year. Also this league left the QB market a little more barren then most with multiple teams keeping 3 QB but you still had some solid options like Stafford and Lock available. 

So while I can see how someone would put a little value on Brees. While I think Baker might finally get it together I would consider Brees an upgrade over him right now and on a contender he has some value. But that value is probably in the 3-4th round range so not much value either.

I think that does changes things a little...if you are a contender and can upgrade your line-up (and if we get Baker 2019 this year it could be a major upgrade) that is definitely a plus...I know I am absolutely in the minority in a big way but I always build my teams with a big-time starting QBs...I have no interest in playing the match-ups and I find the less I have to worry about QBs and TEs the more effective I am elsewhere...assuming the owner getting the 1.2 has a "big two' (which has to be the case for doing this) I will call it a draw because the 1.2 has probably upgraded two starting positions in a manner he wants and still gets the 2.2 to grab a quality prospect...the other guy probably has a "big three" so the move down is no big deal but now he gets a chance to land another high-end rookie.

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FFPC:

Gave: 1.3/1.8

Got: 1.1

Some background.

Team I traded with owned 1.1 and 1.5, is now at 1.3, 1.5, and 1.8. They are expected to draft two RB's at 3 and 5.

Before the trade I had 4 #1's. Picks  1.3, 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 so now down to 1.1, 1.4 and 1.6. I will be drafting two RB's and a WR if the team does as I believe they will with picks 3 and 5.

I made this offer yesterday, it was rejected and then re-offered to me this morning. In the course of the rejection yesterday I was told they he was picking CEH so  maybe the change of heart had to do with blurb/report that Damian Williams was still the starter? I will be taking CEH. I got Cook/Kamara as 1-2 and have them both handcuffed. I do anticipate Damian interfering with CEH's upside but then I  expect all the top RB's in this draft to have vet's hindering their immediate upside. I'll slot him in as a my RB3, the RB I choose at 4 as my RB4, and with my top guys handcuffed I think that should be good enough for the year while I wait  for the rookie RB's roles to grow.

If I kept the 1 8 I was looking at drafting WR's at 6 and 8 because again I got pretty good idea 5 RB's start the draft. I was not overly thrilled with the idea of dedicating 4 roster spots to rookies and especially with two of them as WR's in a league with no offseason work. I started looking ahead and it seemed like a bit of  roster drain, was going to have a lot of work to do to get roster down next off season but was especially not jazzed up about carrying two potential roster draining rookie WR's on a team that is a contending team. I did try and shop the 1.8 yesterday after my offer for 3/8 was rejected and was not getting back the kind of deal I wanted. Also pretty sure Lamb or Jeudy are not making it to 8.

I had posted another similar league were someone gave 1.3/1.8 and got back 1.2/2.2/3.2 and Brees earlier. If you don't have a preference between Taylor and CEH that team got 2.2/3.2 and Brees more then me. I do have CEH over Taylor, but would concede they got more for their 3/8 then I got, but even if I lost value I'm good with it.

 

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1 minute ago, Andy Dufresne said:

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The way I see it, you gave up Jefferson/Reagor to take CEH instead of one of Dobbins/Swift/Akers/Lamb.

To that I say...yeah, maybe. :shrug:

That's short of it yes. I gave to get so I'm good with people seeing win for the other side. I got pick 8 in 2 other leagues and certainly see value in it because those are strong options at WR. I think this draft is a big 7 but the next 2-3 are pretty strong worthy of first round picks as well.

 I already outlined most of the reasons I did the trade, other then I obviously see a difference between CEH and that next tier or RB's. The other reason I forgot to mention was my team already has Cooper, JuJu, Diontae and Deebo and I'm going to draft Juedy or Lamb at 6 to go along with one older WR I retain. So the roster was feeling real heavy on young WR's and WR's in general. I'd be looking at 6 young WR's, plus the vet, and most of those WR's have not yet established themselves as guys I can trust so it was starting to feel like a drain in a smaller roster league like FFPC. I got Mahomes at QB, Kittle/Engram at TE,  a bunch of young WR's,  consolidating the roster at cost of another young WR when I have no other real needs to get what I feel is an upgrade and also a safer pick at RB was easy for me on this team.

 I see no discernible difference on 3 vs 4 at this time . I have a league were I have picks 4/8 and that team only carries 4 WR's and one of them is old. That team I'm not sure I'd give 4/8 for 1.1, I might but not such an easy call and I'd need to really think about it. That's why I tried to give some background, one trade might be easy for me in one league but something not easy or I don't want to do in another.

 

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In regards to the two recent trades where pick 3 and pick 8 are being used to move up to pick one, I do think there is a top tier of CEH and Taylor that are above the other rookie options to make a significant impact in fantasy right away. So it is worthwhile to give something to move up into the top 2 picks.

Pick 7 in the polls was Jerry Juedy and after this pick there was separation in who people preferred at pick 8 between Ruggs, Jefferson and Reagor, so if you think Lamb or Juedy are in a higher tier of WR than the other 3 then the move does assure you get one of those two unless no one selects Cam Akers before then.

Getting Brees in that one deal puts it over the top for me, I am not sure what pick people would give for Brees but I would think he is worth a late 2nd rounder or something,

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Just now, Biabreakable said:

 

Pick 7 in the polls was Jerry Juedy and after this pick there was separation in who people preferred at pick 7 between Ruggs, Jefferson and Reagor.

 

With regards to the top 7 I've seen I believe 6-7 FFPC rookie drafts so far and it's the same top 7 in all, different orders of course including who goes 1 but always CEH or Taylor at 1 and 2.  I got a few pick 1.8's in FFPC, I  and gave up all faint hope I had of Lamb or Jeudy making to 8 once I saw that. It will happen somewhere, there lot of leagues in FFPC after all, but it's going to be extremely rare.

I know how I like at pick 8 and have them almost in their own tier but it's all over the place with regards to who the consensus likes. Those 3 you mentioned, Higgins has gone 8, Vaughn went 8 or 9.  The drafts really start getting interesting after pick 7.

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36 minutes ago, menobrown said:

With regards to the top 7 I've seen I believe 6-7 FFPC rookie drafts so far and it's the same top 7 in all, different orders of course including who goes 1 but always CEH or Taylor at 1 and 2.  I got a few pick 1.8's in FFPC, I  and gave up all faint hope I had of Lamb or Jeudy making to 8 once I saw that. It will happen somewhere, there lot of leagues in FFPC after all, but it's going to be extremely rare.

I know how I like at pick 8 and have them almost in their own tier but it's all over the place with regards to who the consensus likes. Those 3 you mentioned, Higgins has gone 8, Vaughn went 8 or 9.  The drafts really start getting interesting after pick 7.

Who have you seen going at 8?  Got 5 FFPC drafts starting tomorrow and crossing my fingers at 9 in a few places.

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2 minutes ago, Vandelay said:

Who have you seen going at 8?  Got 5 FFPC drafts starting tomorrow and crossing my fingers at 9 in a few places.

It would be the very definition of no consensus at 1.8.

First let me backtrack and throw out some hope to those of you sitting at 8.  I've looked at 6 drafts and something I said earlier that did not happen did in fact happen.  Jeudy or Lamb made it to 8, in this case Juedy.

But out of those 6 drafts here is what I saw at 8.

Higgins-1

Reagor-1

Jeudy-1

Moss-1

Vaughn-1 but also once at 7

Ruggs-1

Jefferson- 0

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4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

It would be the very definition of no consensus at 1.8.

First let me backtrack and throw out some hope to those of you sitting at 8.  I've looked at 6 drafts and something I said earlier that did not happen did in fact happen.  Jeudy or Lamb made it to 8, in this case Juedy.

But out of those 6 drafts here is what I saw at 8.

Higgins-1

Reagor-1

Jeudy-1

Moss-1

Vaughn-1 but also once at 7

Ruggs-1

Jefferson- 0

This would make me a very happy camper.  Thanks for the intel.

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1 minute ago, Rockchild said:

Drake and the picks for me.

 

Drake for the 1.11 just went down in one of my leagues today.

And it's the 1.10, not the 1.09, so it's a tad worse actually.

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

What is the infatuation with Drake?

He could really be had for a song last year, he's talented, in he's now finally in a dynamic offense as a sort of workhorse, so to speak. He's also at the most confusing of ages for a dynasty running back and he's on a one-year transition deal, so he's moving like a hot potato at Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (you might have to look that up.)

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

He could really be had for a song last year, he's talented, in he's now finally in a dynamic offense as a sort of workhorse, so to speak. He's also at the most confusing of ages for a dynasty running back, so he's moving like a hot potato at Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (you might have to look that up.)

I would sell him in a heartbeat, especially for a late 1st, or even an early 2nd.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

I would sell him in a heartbeat, especially for a late 1st, or even an early 2nd.

I wouldn't sell him for an early second alone, I don't think. I offered Drake for 2.03, 2.09, and Slayton and was rebuffed after what the guy said was admittedly thinking hard about it. Perhaps that was just a kind gesture, but that's about his value according to the calcs.

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1 minute ago, kutta said:

Infatuation? I'm not involved and don't care one way or the other about him.

There's been a lot of discussion about him the past two pages is probably what JohnnyU means. 

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

There's been a lot of discussion about him the past two pages is probably what JohnnyU means. 

Yes, I wasn't pointing fingers at one person, but just in general.  I don't understand why anyone wouldn't trade Drake for a late 1st in this draft, or even the 2.01 or 2.02.

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Yes, I wasn't pointing fingers at one person, but just in general.  I don't understand why anyone wouldn't trade a late 1st in this draft for Drake, or even the 2.01 or 2.02.

If you're looking at a two-year window for guys, he's ranked right now as about number fifty overall in dynasty and his value is within the 1.05-1.09 range depending on which calculator you use. He is twenty-six and on a one-year deal, but what if they extend it a year and he's the lead back in Kingsbury's Air Raid? Then what? That's a high-volume offense with a top-notch second-year QB and a bunch of weapons. People might take the points.

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PPR, superflex, keep everyone no cap

I got: Devin Singletary, 4.03

I gave: Brady, Hurst & Demarcus Robinson

I’ve still got Mahomes, Daniel Jones & Carr, and Robinson was my 7th WR. Hurst was a $1 draft pick & I’ve got EEngram/Ertz/Gronk/Uzomah at TE

Didn’t get a ton of interest in Brady, even after the TB signing, and I have almost no draft picks this year. I’m assuming Singletary’s role remains relatively unchanged with the rookie coming on for the Frank Gore role. 

So, yeah. I was most thin at RB with Ingram, RoJo, Michele, AP, Duke Johnson & Ollison, so I got a little depth. 

I’m happy with it even if i paid a lot. I feel like Hurst was the main piece here & Brady / Robinson were toss-ins. I know Brady is probably valuable this year & maybe next, but he’s not getting more valuable, and he’d be unlikely to start more than once or twice a year. 

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14 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I’m happy with it even if i paid a lot. I feel like Hurst was the main piece here & Brady / Robinson were toss-ins. I know Brady is probably valuable this year & maybe next, but he’s not getting more valuable, and he’d be unlikely to start more than once or twice a year. 

Hey HSG. What's up? Cool on the trade. I think you come out better, but that depends on how you value Montgomery. Calcs have it in your favor. 

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Oh, crap. Sorry, I misread that. I'm under it today. Calcs have it even more in your favor, then. 

Woot! 
 

also, I miss read my email… I only got 4.03, not 3.03. 
 

i’m still OK with the deal

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54 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Yes, I wasn't pointing fingers at one person, but just in general.  I don't understand why anyone wouldn't trade Drake for a late 1st in this draft for Drake, or even the 2.01 or 2.02.

Drake is someone that makes a ton of sense to trade because whoever team he is on he was most likely picked up cheap, no some kind of long investment or out particular fondness.

And while you may don't like Drake it's easy to see the interest. 26 entire season, RB3 in PPG from time he landed in AZ, team is paying him well and he's a late first/early second guy in redrafts. So just because you don't like I know you got to see why he has value.

I do not own him in a single league but I know for sure I'd take him over someone like Vaughn who seems to go late first all the time.

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34 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Drake is someone that makes a ton of sense to trade because whoever team he is on he was most likely picked up cheap, no some kind of long investment or out particular fondness.

And while you may don't like Drake it's easy to see the interest. 26 entire season, RB3 in PPG from time he landed in AZ, team is paying him well and he's a late first/early second guy in redrafts. So just because you don't like I know you got to see why he has value.

I do not own him in a single league but I know for sure I'd take him over someone like Vaughn who seems to go late first all the time.

I would take someone like Burrow, Tua, Aiyuk, or Pittman over him

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7 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

This is a tough one but I think I am on the CMC side of it and would probably need one more 1st to give up CMC here.

Looking back at past top 7 drafts, even in the BEST of drafts where we saw a strong top 7 going in you're looking at 3-4 hits out of 7 on the high side.

The likelihood that all 3 picks he is getting here hit is almost nil.  Slightly less likely than hitting on 0 of the picks which would be a disaster.

So we're looking at somewhere between 1 or 2 of the picks hitting.  To me it seems far and away the most likely that 1 of the picks hit, which I think would be a huge win for the CMC side since it's unlikely that hit will be as big as CMC.  Even if 2 of them hit I think that probably still leans the trade in CMC's favor unless, again, one is a huge hit and not just a "normal" hit.

Late last season, first year dynasty startup - I traded 4 2020 1sts for CMAC - at the time mostly mid to late.

Turns out the picks ended up being the 1.6, 1.8, 1.9, 1.11.  DTC has this as almost dead even as of today.

Both the other owner and myself are still happy with the deal as our teams were in different places in terms of win-now windows.

He now has the risk of hitting on those picks while i have the risk of CMAC regressing.  I'll take that risk then and i'd still take it today.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Not involved. Kind of irked.

PPR IDP

Team A gave Derrick Henry

Team B gave 1.09

:angry:

Huh. Seems the guy really wanted the pick. I'd take Henry; contract, age, and all.

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42 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Not involved. Kind of irked.

PPR IDP

Team A gave Derrick Henry

Team B gave 1.09

:angry:

 

Stupid trade...I actually hate this trade...Henry is a legit #1 RB...the chances of breaking even with the 1.9 is minimal and the there is a very good chance this deal is lopsided...if you want to trade Henry I gotta believe there are a 100 other deals you could do that are better.

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1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Not involved. Kind of irked.

PPR IDP

Team A gave Derrick Henry

Team B gave 1.09

:angry:

 

I don’t think it’s that bad, depending team needs, team situation & who they take at 1.09

if they’re building for the future & land a top QB or elite WR there, it’s a worthwhile trade. 

Only way I raise an eyebrow is if it’s a “win-now” team & they're thin at RB. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I don’t think it’s that bad, depending team needs, team situation & who they take at 1.09

if they’re building for the future & land a top QB or elite WR there, it’s a worthwhile trade. 

Only way I raise an eyebrow is if it’s a “win-now” team & they're thin at RB. 

He traded Henry for Pittman. <_<

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Just now, Andy Dufresne said:

He took Pittman with the 1.9 he acquired.

Oh. Well...yeah, it’s not an amazing pick, I agree.  but...it could have been. ;)  
 

just sayin - you cant judge the trade by who he took with the pick.  

He traded Henry for 1.09 

if a guy’s walking to the dealership with a pocketful of cash to to buy a brand new corvette, but on the way he passes a casino & loses all of it betting on black, it’s still fair to say that when he woke up that day he had the money for a corvette. 

trade looks worse for the pick, but the trade was close. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Oh. Well...yeah, it’s not an amazing pick, I agree.  but...it could have been. ;)  
 

just sayin - you cant judge the trade by who he took with the pick.  

He traded Henry for 1.09 

if a guy’s walking to the dealership with a pocketful of cash to to buy a brand new corvette, but on the way he passes a casino & loses all of it betting on black, it’s still fair to say that when he woke up that day he had the money for a corvette. 

trade looks worse for the pick, but the trade was close. 

He traded for the 1.9 when it was OTC and took Pittman when he acquired it. He traded Henry for Pittman. That's lousy.

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Just now, Andy Dufresne said:

He traded for the 1.9 when it was OTC and took Pittman when he acquired it. He traded Henry for Pittman. That's lousy.

Who else was on the board? 
 

maybw he loves Pittman? 

:lol: 

ok I admit I didn’t read the whole story, I just saw “Henry for 1.09” and ran with it.

Sheesh, this is the most NFL excitement I’ve had in days. 
 lol

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Wow so I am much much higher on Pittman because I would easily take him at 1.09 although I sense I won't have to. 

That said I am not sure 1.01 would get Henry from me. I haven't stared down that bullet but I think I'd pass. The 1.09 wouldn't even begin a discussion. And I really like the 1.09 a lot this year.

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I don’t think it’s that bad, depending team needs, team situation & who they take at 1.09

if they’re building for the future & land a top QB or elite WR there, it’s a worthwhile trade. 

Only way I raise an eyebrow is if it’s a “win-now” team & they're thin at RB. 

Huh?  I don’t even like Henry long term, but that is awful value for him.  He’s considered a top 10 dynasty RB. 1.09 rookie pick is WAY low for him.

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