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8 hours ago, Stinkin Ref said:

IMO the only way he sees another snap is if everything by all the women was completely fabricated and it was all a master plan....and it just doesn’t feel like that with so many involved...

if he avoids a criminal conviction or even if he gets a conviction on some lesser charge that avoids jail time he's definitely going to play again in the NFL. he's 26 and is an ELITE NFL qb.

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24 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

That was entirely predictable. 

Buzbee is full of hot air.  That doesn't mean his clients are not telling the truth, but to the layperson it doesn't look like their a lawyer is handling this in a way that increases credibility. 

 

buzbee said earlier this week that the evidence would be submitted hopefully by today. 

edit: buzbee said he'd issue another statement by today

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1 minute ago, iamkoza said:

buzbee said earlier this week that the evidence would be submitted hopefully by today. 

Huh, last week he said a packet would be with Houston PD by Monday, the Monday that was 4 days ago.

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Huh, last week he said a packet would be with Houston PD by Monday, the Monday that was 4 days ago.

 

looks like i misremembered his rebuttal to rusty hardin earlier this week.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/24/tony-buzbee-responds-to-statement-from-rusty-hardin-on-deshaun-watson/

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“My second reaction is a question: why would his marketing agent admit Watson had sex for pay with a massage therapist, consensual or otherwise? We will also provide a copy of the non-disclosure agreement that Deshaun Watson and his marketing manager repeatedly insisted that Jane Doe (and others) sign after (and sometimes before) the ‘massage session,’ which she refused to sign. I do appreciate Mr. Hardin’s professionalism and his words of support for victims, but would respectfully suggest there are many facts here, that we will put in public filings, that Mr. Hardin might not be aware of. We will provide additional details in a statement, consistent with our ethical obligations in due course. I’m hoping we can do so by Friday.”

 

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12 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

You can never trust anything ESPN runs across the screen but I thought I saw briefly where they had big words on the screen indicating that the Houston Texans wanted to trade Watson but now are feeling like they need to hold on until they get thru these lawsuits. 

-It also would be a wonderful time for a team that was going to make a strong pitch anyways for Watson to follow thru immediately...it sounded like Houston was sour grapes because of the lawsuits perhaps impacting his trade value but I believe they are also encouraging teams to come right at them for Watson. "If you want to give us that outlandish trade offer still we will read any and all offers" 

The tune a few weeks ago was they weren't even answering the phones for Watson inquiries. That has changed drastically in the last week or two. 

Now is the time on sprockets when we LOL TEXANS for not taking the 4 1sts offers

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4 minutes ago, iamkoza said:

 

looks like i misremembered his rebuttal to rusty hardin earlier this week.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/24/tony-buzbee-responds-to-statement-from-rusty-hardin-on-deshaun-watson/

 

Thanks I did not think you were relaying inaccurate info, I was just pointing out that he said the same thing last week. This guy has quickly evolved into "I'll believe it when I see it" status.

 

This article was from last week:

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-attorney-tony-buzbee-affidavits-evidence-houston-police-harris-county-district-attorney/285-cf23fbdc-c0d0-4940-a7ac-cb76c45f8a35

HOUSTON — The attorney representing the women accusing Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson of civil or sexual assault said Saturday he plans to submit affidavits and evidence to Houston authorities next week.

Attorney Tony Buzbee said his team plans to submit the documents to the Houston Police Department and the Harris County District Attorney on Monday morning. Buzbee said he also plans to request a grand jury consider the evidence provided.

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This sounds so much like the opening saga of when girls do porn was exposed. From one person that came forward, to a host of women, to terrible allegations. Started as a civil action and then became criminal. 

Watson flew some of these women in. I'm curious how close his actions, if proven, come to sex trafficking. 

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2 hours ago, pantherclub said:

Such an odd take

what's odd? Wasnt buzbee supposed to deliver the docs to the police 5 days ago? (Monday)

His own words, by the way. 

So, what about the take is odd, exactly?

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8 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

The continuum of opinions from absolute guilt to absolute innocence is pretty interesting.

Read the Reddit thread.  I don’t see much middle ground.  

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

Meh, you read nothing but the lawsuits of course it's not looking good.

I am struggling to find a plausible explanation for what I've read that doesn't paint Watson in a really bad way.

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3 minutes ago, kutta said:

I am struggling to find a plausible explanation for what I've read that doesn't paint Watson in a really bad way.

Which is a fairly typical reaction most would have if they just read one side of a lawsuit.

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3 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

then he should be criminally charged. 

and, by extrapolation, plantiff's counsel should be submitting documents to law enforcement....as they said they would last week....and as they said they would this week....yet this action has yet to be taken.  curious.

 

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NDA he asked his massage therapists to sign is out.  

You know, as you do.  

Edit:  Watson’s camp will be able to spin the NDA and, on its own, not much turns on it.  But in the bigger picture it does not look good.  

Watson’s team is really going to have to carefully thread the needle to put together a remotely believable defence.  

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20 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Which is a fairly typical reaction most would have if they just read one side of a lawsuit.

Not necessarily. It's usually not too hard to imagine what the other side will say in their defense. I'm not coming up with anything that makes sense.

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2 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

A blank NDA.  Woah, case cracked wide open. 

So you’re going with they are fabricating evidence?  There is an entire story about it.  I agree it is boiler plate junk.  Precisely the sort of thing Watson himself would pull off the internet and ignorantly believe protected him. 

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1 minute ago, kutta said:

Not necessarily. It's usually not too hard to imagine what the other side will say in their defense. I'm not coming up with anything that makes sense.9

I'm just thankful our legal system does not operate the way you think.

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3 minutes ago, zoonation said:

So you’re going with they are fabricating evidence?  There is an entire story about it.  I agree it is boiler plate junk.  Precisely the sort of thing Watson himself would pull off the internet and ignorantly believe protected him. 

I don’t like how things look for Watson, but this NDA piece is ridiculous. Who is this lady even posting it?  It’s been up all day and has like 6 retweets. Why should I believe her?

 

also is not evidence.  It’s literally a blank NDA that no one has signed. 

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7 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

I don’t like how things look for Watson, but this NDA piece is ridiculous. Who is this lady even posting it?  It’s been up all day and has like 6 retweets. Why should I believe her?

 

also is not evidence.  It’s literally a blank NDA that no one has signed. 

I may have read some bad info but understood one of the plaintiff signed it, returned it, and asked for a signed copy back but didn’t get one.  

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31 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

then he should be criminally charged. 

 

11 minutes ago, kutta said:

He may be.

Yes this is a possibility and I wanted to add since one instance was alleged to have occurred in CA and another in GA we do have 3 different jurisdictions that could decide they have enough to move forward with criminal charges.

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4 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I may have read some bad info but understood one of the plaintiff signed it, returned it, and asked for a signed copy back but didn’t get one.  

What she has there is a blank NDA that has Watson’s named typed in at the top. They claim the victim signed one but she doesn’t have a copy, they haven’t claimed to have seen a signed NDA, there is zero proof a signed NDA exists. 

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12 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

What she has there is a blank NDA that has Watson’s named typed in at the top. They claim the victim signed one but she doesn’t have a copy, they haven’t claimed to have seen a signed NDA, there is zero proof a signed NDA exists. 

Yet.  If she signed and scanned to him she may still have a copy.  And, if she can prove he sent one to her the damage is done (so far as an NDA can do any damage).  Whether she signed it or not is irrelevant.  

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Yet.  If she signed and scanned to him she may still have a copy.  And, if she can prove he sent one to her the damage is done (so far as an NDA can do any damage).  Whether she signed it or not is irrelevant.  

Sure, so when there’s proof, I’ll care. 

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1 minute ago, menobrown said:

That is allows both sides to be heard before making their determination.

OK. Not sure why you think I think it doesn't work that way? Weird.

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Just now, kutta said:

OK. Not sure why you think I think it doesn't work that way? Weird.

You mean other then you saying you read one side, said it looks bad, can't offer a plausible explanation for his behavior and then proceeded to say that you can imagine his defense and none of it would make sense. Yea, that's really weird of me to think you are waiting for him to have his say before determining his guilt.

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