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25 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

It makes zero sense either way.  It's even dumber -  much, much dumber - to do that when looking for more than a massage. 

 

Watson is blindly propositioning countless Instagram massuesues? Even after this lawsuit was made known to him?  doesn't seem to fit occams razor either. 

None of it makes sense.

so let’s all wait until we know more so it does. 

And I’ll be the 1st to speak out on behalf of these women if there’s some proof of his alleged assault on them. That’s unacceptable & I am vehemently on the side of the victims. 

unless we learn that Watson is the victim of a shake-down, which wouldn’t be unprecedented nor would it be considered a wild conspiracy. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

And yet you’ll believe the attorney hook line & sinker without a shred of evidence? 

Ooooooookay. :shrug: 

Personally, I believe a conspiracy set up by the team would make no sense.  How does this help them?

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7 minutes ago, ghostguy123 said:

Let's say it's all a conspiracy.  Which side is the lawyer on?  Is he for or against the Texans owner?

Being a neighbor sure as heck doesnt mean you like each other.  Quite the opposite much of the time

Depends who hired him. But who knows. If it’s a conspiracy, see my hypotheticals in my previous post. 

If it’s an independent thing, then the attorney sure has a flair for timing. 

And what’s a super wealthy high profile attorney associating with masseuses? Were these women sports massage therapists or rub & tug shop girls? Why would this dude be the guy they all ran to?

I’m just having a hard time making sense out of any side here. 

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Just now, zoonation said:

I don’t believe 20 women would lie.  

Who are the 20 women? Got pics? Quotes? Police statements? Any shred of evidence they even exist? 

seems pretty crappy to ruin a guy’s career with nothing but an allegation by one dude. 

Or do you have nothing? Seems like nothing.
 

And with that we have Watson’s track record as a choir boy. So there’s that. 

I’d like to see some evidence. 

Also, maybe we should compare the treatment of someone like Payton Manning, who DEFINITELY put his junk on a sports massage therapist, and suffered exactly no consequences. Wonder what the difference between Manning & Watson is? 🤔 

I’m just sayin - some of this story doesn’t add up, wild conspiracies aside. 

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Depends who hired him. But who knows. If it’s a conspiracy, see my hypotheticals in my previous post. 

If it’s an independent thing, then the attorney sure has a flair for timing. 

And what’s a super wealthy high profile attorney associating with masseuses? Were these women sports massage therapists or rub & tug shop girls? Why would this dude be the guy they all ran to?

I’m just a hard time making sense out of any side here. 

This guys seems like the worst possible attorney for this type of case. Unless it's a shakedown.  Then he's the best?

Agreed, nothing makes sense here. 

The Texans don't give a #### about their football team though, that is clear. I don't think you can prescribe football motivations to their actions (JJ Watt). 

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23 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I don’t believe 20 women would lie.  

This PFT link has a quote with the lawyer referencing 9 women.  Which is still a lot.  But it isn’t 20.  Not quibbling over details, just trying to keep the facts straight.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/20/lawyer-handling-deshaun-watson-cases-intends-to-submit-package-of-evidence-to-houston-police/

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18 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

It’s worth remembering that this entire franchise is run by a former Patriots team chaplain.   Say that out loud to yourself. A team chaplain - who lied on his resume - is running an NFL franchise.

Well let’s be fair, he was promoted to [s]morals / ethics /[/s] character coach before he became an NFL executive.

 

Team explanation of Mr Easterby’s resume error:

“Meaningless oversight in a bio from an entry-level position in Jacksonville 16 years ago. This had no bearing on our decision to hire him. . . . His employment paperwork was accurate with the correct description of his internship.”

Not germane to any discussion about Watson but for those left wondering...

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18 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

This PFT link has a quote with the lawyer referencing 9 women.  Which is still a lot.  But it isn’t 20.  Not quibbling over details, just trying to keep the facts straight.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/20/lawyer-handling-deshaun-watson-cases-intends-to-submit-package-of-evidence-to-houston-police/

There was a Tweet yesterday about the current lawsuits + women who have come forward but not filed (vetted) yet - total was 22

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21 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

This PFT link has a quote with the lawyer referencing 9 women.  Which is still a lot.  But it isn’t 20.  Not quibbling over details, just trying to keep the facts straight.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/20/lawyer-handling-deshaun-watson-cases-intends-to-submit-package-of-evidence-to-houston-police/

The lawyer said he is for sure filing 12 suits and vetting 10 more.  I apologize.  Not 20. Yet. I don’t think 12 women would lie.  

dm’ing many different Instagram girls for massages, when he has access to the best in the profession?   Nah.   Either some vast conspiracy is afoot or Watson is an entitled pervert who doesn’t respect boundaries.  

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Who are the 20 women? Got pics? Quotes? Police statements? Any shred of evidence they even exist? 

seems pretty crappy to ruin a guy’s career with nothing but an allegation by one dude. 

Or do you have nothing? Seems like nothing.
 

And with that we have Watson’s track record as a choir boy. So there’s that. 

I’d like to see some evidence. 

Also, maybe we should compare the treatment of someone like Payton Manning, who DEFINITELY put his junk on a sports massage therapist, and suffered exactly no consequences. Wonder what the difference between Manning & Watson is? 🤔 

I’m just sayin - some of this story doesn’t add up, wild conspiracies aside. 

Dude you are not looking very good here.   

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9 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

Dude you are not looking very good here.   

I’m looking fine here thanks. I’m saying I’m not going to judge until I’ve seen evidence.

Kindly ignore my posts if you don’t approve of them. 👍🏼

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Regarding conspiracy theories.  The lawyer being next door neighbors with the owner and this coming out literally a few hours after they signed Tyrod Taylor makes it easy for people to jump to those thoughts.

But if you step back and think what the attorney and ownership would be risking it's insane to point of not being logical. I know I've pointed out the fact they live next to each other but that only makes it more illogical, that's like Aaron Hernandez dumping a body in a quarry less then a mile from his house kind of dumb and I usually give people more benefit of the doubt.

There is a more plausible though less drama filled explanation for the timing and it does make me think Watson being in the news with his trade requests might have ended up backfiring on him. This theory would involve Watson being at least guilty of what the first plaintiff accused him of doing, so with that assumption let's try and look through the plaintiff 1's point of view.

She thinks Watson acted inappropriately but nothing maybe so concrete she could move forward with pressing charges or doing anything with, just that she knows he acted inappropriately and she's not comfortable with how it went down. But she'd also likely know Watson is revered in Houston,  might have likely thought she'd be the one coming out looking like the bad person if she tried to take on or take down a person of his stature especially when some might chalk up what happened during the massage as a "misunderstanding". So she just keeps it to herself, not happy the way it went down but not seeing a path to get her some justice.

Now fast forward to a few months later and Watson is in the news more then ever and to many people not good news. Not all, maybe not even most, but a healthy amount of public perception has turned against Watson locally now.  I've read and heard local sports radio in Houston since this started and some people blame the Texans, some people blame Watson. Those who blame Watson are now labeling him as not professional, not appreciative and selfish. So now perhaps the plaintiff is aware of this and concludes the temperature for taking on Watson in a legal setting is a little more ripe. Secondly you got the faction of media/people that put all or most of the blame on the Texans and continued to laud Watson's character. So again say you are the plaintiff and you are hearing people talk all day about how great Watson is but you know things that are different and human nature would indicate that would start eating at you to get that out. And lastly, whether this is motive or not is another issue, plaintiff one knew who Watson was but might not have fully grasped his wealth and now on top of everything else she's hearing people talk about the contract he just accepted and she did of course want a 6 figure settlement.

So in summary I'm trying to paint a picture of a women who feels wronged, hearing people praise a guy all day she thinks is not so great who just signed a contract for a boat load of money and she's been stewing on all of this and due to changing public perception of Watson by some in Houston along with realization this guy just got paid she felt emboldened to reach out to a well known attorney, get her some justice and maybe some money.

I'm ok with anyone scoffing at my post but what is more believable, what I just laid out being some or mainly true or the attorney and owner, two men with a lot to lose, risking losing everything to tarnish Watson's name?

I am no way trying to say Watson is guilty, just trying to paint a more reasonable picture of the mindset of plaintiff one.

 

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56 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

This PFT link has a quote with the lawyer referencing 9 women.  Which is still a lot.  But it isn’t 20.  Not quibbling over details, just trying to keep the facts straight.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/20/lawyer-handling-deshaun-watson-cases-intends-to-submit-package-of-evidence-to-houston-police/

9 is not 20. That’s a very fair point & im not sure why you’d have to walk on eggshells to make it.

and really it’s one attorney claiming it’s 9 women.

in time we’ll collectively know what it is. Right now it seems like a lot of smoke & very little fire, and I’m not ready to condemn Watson based on what we’ve seen. 

my views are subject to change as this story develops, which I also don’t see as particularly controversial. 

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Call it a gut feeling but I’m siding with Deshaun here until I have something more concrete. It’s wayyyy too convenient that in the middle of him refusing to play for the Texans that this all surfaces. Someone brought up a possible addiction and I believe that may hold some weight. That said there is WAYYY too much grey area surrounding this whole ordeal. It’s too bad he stands so much to lose. 

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The lawyer saying he ran for mayor but doesn’t know the owner of the nfl team in his city where his family is his neighbor is absurd. 
 

Just like it is absurd Watson recruited 20 different private massage therapists and put himself in this situation... evidently apologizing to one for making her uncomfortable. 

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30 minutes ago, zoonation said:

  Either some vast conspiracy is afoot or Watson is an entitled pervert who doesn’t respect boundaries.  

Men solicit sex workers all the time. It doesn’t make them “entitled perverts who don’t respect boundaries”.

the sex trade is a thing that is. Many interact online.

I don’t know who did what, but it’s important to clarify that sex workers are people too. Shaming them by making them the target of perversion isn’t appropriate in the same way that if they’re legitimate massage therapists being propositioned that is also not ok. 

right now we don’t know which it is. Allegations. 

maybe we should collectively put the pitchforks away until we do know is all I’m suggesting here. 

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2 minutes ago, The Show said:

Call it a gut feeling but I’m siding with Deshaun here until I have something more concrete. It’s wayyyy too convenient that in the middle of him refusing to play for the Texans that this all surfaces. Someone brought up a possible addiction and I believe that may hold some weight. That said there is WAYYY too much grey area surrounding this whole ordeal. It’s too bad he stands so much to lose. 

Watson was soliciting massages from girls on Instagram from other cities and flying them in and meeting at random hotels.   But yeah guy keep siding with him there is surely nothing to see here.   If it was 1 or 2 then yeah I could see your point but it’s over 9 and that’s one hell of a conspiracy 

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4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Regarding conspiracy theories.  The lawyer being next door neighbors with the owner and this coming out literally a few hours after they signed Tyrod Taylor makes it easy for people to jump to those thoughts.

But if you step back and think what the attorney and ownership would be risking it's insane to point of not being logical. I know I've pointed out the fact they live next to each other but that only makes it more illogical, that's like Aaron Hernandez dumping a body in a quarry less then a mile from his house kind of dumb and I usually give people more benefit of the doubt.

There is a more plausible though less drama filled explanation for the timing and it does make me think Watson being in the news with his trade requests might have ended up backfiring on him. This theory would involve Watson being at least guilty of what the first plaintiff accused him of doing, so with that assumption let's try and look through the plaintiff 1's point of view.

She thinks Watson acted inappropriately but nothing maybe so concrete she could move forward with pressing charges or doing anything with, just that she knows he acted inappropriately and she's not comfortable with how it went down. But she'd also likely know Watson is revered in Houston,  might have likely thought she'd be the one coming out looking like the bad person if she tried to take on or take down a person of his stature especially when some might chalk up what happened during the massage as a "misunderstanding". So she just keeps it to herself, not happy the way it went down but not seeing a path to get her some justice.

Now fast forward to a few months later and Watson is in the news more then ever and to many people. Not all, maybe not even most, but a healthy amount of public perception has turned against Watson locally now.  I've read and heard local sports radio in Houston since this started and some people blame Texans, some people blame Watson. Those who blame Watson are now labeling as not professional, not appreciative and selfish. So now perhaps the plaintiff is aware of this and concludes the temperature for taking on Watson in a legal setting is a little more ripe. Secondly you got the faction of media/people that put all or most of the blame on the Texans and continued to laud Watson's character. So again say you are the plaintiff and you are hearing people talk all day about how great Watson is but you know things that are different human nature would indicate that would start eating at you to get that out. And lastly, whether this is motive or not is another issue, plaintiff one knew who Watson was but might not have fully grasped his wealth and now on top of everything else she's hearing people talk about the contract he just accepted and she did of course want a 6 figure settlement.

So in summary I'm trying to paint a picture of a women who feels wronged, hearing people praise a guy all day she thinks is not so great who just signed a contract for a boat load of money and she's been stewing on all of this and due to changing public perception of Watson by some in Houston along with realization this guy just got paid she felt emboldened to reach out to a well known attorney, get her some justice and maybe some money.

I'm ok with anyone scoffing at my post but what is more believable, what I just laid out being some or mainly true or the attorney and owner, two men with a lot to lose, risking losing everything to tarnish Watson's name?

I am no way trying to say Watson is guilty, just trying to paint a more reasonable picture of the mindset of plaintiff one.

 

All a fair theory. As fair as any other. I don’t discount this as a possibility at all. 

And worth noting, Aaron Hernandez actually did murder people - so as far fetched as things are to believe, sometimes hard to believe things do happen. 

but your post is well put, and well taken. Definitely possible. to me it becomes a little more difficult to believe that this many came out with this timing than the 1, as in your explanation, but sure - they could have seen the headline and jumped on the bandwagon.

it’s all very, very strange. That I think most of us can agree on. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

Men solicit sex workers all the time. It doesn’t make them “entitled perverts who don’t respect boundaries”.

the sex trade is a thing that is. Many interact online.

I don’t know who did what, but it’s important to clarify that sex workers are people too. Shaming them by making them the target of perversion isn’t appropriate in the same way that if they’re legitimate massage therapists being propositioned that is also not ok. 

right now we don’t know which it is. Allegations. 

maybe we should collectively put the pitchforks away until we do know is all I’m suggesting here. 

So at absolute best case scenario here Watson is still a complete moron.  

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6 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

Men solicit sex workers all the time. It doesn’t make them “entitled perverts who don’t respect boundaries”.

the sex trade is a thing that is. Many interact online.

I don’t know who did what, but it’s important to clarify that sex workers are people too. Shaming them by making them the target of perversion isn’t appropriate in the same way that if they’re legitimate massage therapists being propositioned that is also not ok. 

right now we don’t know which it is. Allegations. 

maybe we should collectively put the pitchforks away until we do know is all I’m suggesting here. 

These women were not sex workers.  Jesus.  

It is no wonder women are afraid to come out against powerful men unless they have strength in numbers.  

let’s wait and see what the final number is. 12 is enough for me though.  The conspiracy theory angle is not remotely compelling to me.  

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

These women were not sex workers.  Jesus.  

It is no wonder women are afraid to come out against powerful men unless they have strength in numbers.  

let’s wait and see what the final number is. 12 is enough for me though.  The conspiracy theory angle is not remotely compelling to me.  

Careful you are going to join his ignore list. 

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1 minute ago, pantherclub said:

Watson was soliciting massages from girls on Instagram from other cities and flying them in and meeting at random hotels.   But yeah guy keep siding with him there is surely nothing to see here.   If it was 1 or 2 then yeah I could see your point but it’s over 9 and that’s one hell of a conspiracy 

If that happened there’s nothing wrong with it unless it was non-consensual, regardless of the number.

No pun intended, there’s the rub. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

If that happened there’s nothing wrong with it unless it was non-consensual, regardless of the number.

No pun intended, there’s the rub. 

I don’t disagree.  But that is not what happened here. 

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14 minutes ago, pantherclub said:

So at absolute best case scenario here Watson is still a complete moron.  

That’s a possibility, yes - among the many possibilities that exist in our collective lack of knowledge. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That’s a possibility, yes - among the many possibilities that exist in our collective lack of knowledge. 

He flew in girls from random places to give him a “massage”.  There is no lack of knowledge here.   It’s pretty obvious.  

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1 minute ago, zoonation said:

We know they are massage therapists.  They weren’t working at rub n tug’s.  

And every girl’s onlyfans has only tasteful bikini photos, I’m sure. 
:shrug: 

we just don’t know. 

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1 minute ago, zoonation said:

These women were not sex workers.  Jesus. 

Brother...I read my Bible every day and pray to Jesus. Even I know where men go to get a release.

Not all massage parlors or licensed masseuses are SW. But let’s say for the sake of conversation some of them worked at happy ending or even “full service” salons.

SW are human beings. If these women did not consent then what Watson allegedly did was criminal sexual assault. LE should be involved.

That said, he’s entitled to all the facts coming out before we convict and sentence him.

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I’m way behind in this story (probably bc Im on a day date drinking brews on the beach.) Didn’t know about random IG DMs or flying girls in.

If true...Carlos Danger and Ron Mexico are deeply disappointed.

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1 minute ago, BobbyLayne said:

Brother...I read my Bible every day and pray to Jesus. Even I know where men go to get a release.

Not all massage parlors or licensed masseuses are SW. But let’s say for the sake of conversation some of them worked at happy ending or even “full service” salons.

SW are human beings. If these women did not consent then what Watson allegedly did was criminal sexual assault. LE should be involved.

That said, he’s entitled to all the facts coming out before we convict and sentence him.

All of this +1 ⬆️⬆️⬆️

consent is the dividing line between assault & a transaction between two adults. 

this will be my last post in here until more information is available. 

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