Where do you like him in a standard 12 team redraft that starts 3WRs? Let's say the draft is before pre-season starts and he's been clean and committed to playing.The guy sits out for the better part of 2 years and anyone that even suggests to temper expectations is a hater? Typical Gordon fans back at it again. I guess that should be expected, you guys have had to hold it in for a long time...Josh Gordon is going to come in and blow the lid off the damn thing. I dont care about the layoff. He wasnt sitting in prison like a certain dog fighter we all know. He is not a rookie either. Focused, in shape, and guided by a solid offensive mind, Gordon will finish with 85+ receptions, 1400+ yards, and 7+ tds. Take it to the bank. The only ones talking about suspensions will be the haters and they will be talking about it til he is out of the league. Maybe even after.
He obviously has elite #1 overall WR upside, but just because someone doesn't cream their pants over a WR that's played 5 games in 2 seasons and hasn't been on an NFL field in over a year, it doesn't make them a hater.
So 12 or 13 puts him end of the 3rd/early 4th in a 12 team?Assuming a trouble free, 16 game season, I'd put him behind Antonio, Julio, Beckham, ARobinson, Marshall, Hopkins, AJ Green, Watkins, D.Thomas, Sanders, and Cooks. That puts him at #12. Or a low WR1. Ahead of Baldwin, Calvin, Fitzgerald, K Benjamin, and Decker. Although I think those last five are probably a safer pick, all things considered.
I think the 5 or 6 games he played where he was largely ineffective at the end of the 2014 season have to be taken into consideration. But his youth and 2013 potential has to be weighed in also.
EDIT: I forgot about Dez Bryant, who I'd also put ahead of him.
Unless you're a young kid who wasn't around in 2013, I don't think Gordon is going to take anyone by surprise if he has a big year. It's like Peterson coming off his ACL injury a few years ago. We all know the potential. And we all know the risk. I think that he has a shot at being the top overall receiver in 2016. And probably only 3 or 4 other receivers have that possibility. But he also has the biggest chance to misstep and be shut down for the season. All reports seem good as far as him learning his lesson and wanting to succeed. I have him at #12 because of a combination of risk and situation. But I won't be floored if he ends up having a monster year. I'm actually hoping he does. Especially if I can get him in the second or third.So 12 or 13 puts him end of the 3rd/early 4th in a 12 team?Assuming a trouble free, 16 game season, I'd put him behind Antonio, Julio, Beckham, ARobinson, Marshall, Hopkins, AJ Green, Watkins, D.Thomas, Sanders, and Cooks. That puts him at #12. Or a low WR1. Ahead of Baldwin, Calvin, Fitzgerald, K Benjamin, and Decker. Although I think those last five are probably a safer pick, all things considered.
I think the 5 or 6 games he played where he was largely ineffective at the end of the 2014 season have to be taken into consideration. But his youth and 2013 potential has to be weighed in also.
EDIT: I forgot about Dez Bryant, who I'd also put ahead of him.
It might be anecdotal, but its been my experiences that most of the best teams in various fantasy football leagues have if not a similar roster.......they have similar players that they took that far exceded Average Draft Positions. I think Gordon's going to be one of those players this year. He's a guy that will be on championship rosters next year and other teams in various leagues will be floored by the Gronk/Dez Bryant/Gordon trio that someone puts together.
We all know that. Those games don't just get thrown out, though. Sometimes, the QB can simply say "do an out and up" or "Run a slant". For being this undisputed best receiver the league has ever seen (using your thought process), you'd have thought he would have been a little better than he was. He did get to practice with the team once he was reinstated. So that 20+ practices in those 4 weeks.You guys taking his 4 games last year into account, are really missing the point.
HE DID NOT GET TO TRAIN W THE TEAM OR LEARN THE PLAYBOOK.
He was suspended under an antiquated system where he was banned from all footballing and even attending the team premises.
He came in week 10, cold turkey, new system. No #### it didnt turn out well
Maybe you do, me not so much.^^ I'm not asking you to "throw them out", just look at it with some perspective.
Fact is, guys like Demariyus, A Brown, Dez et al have had worse stretches than that w little to no excuses. We still tug our pickles over them, dont we?
to be honest, your level of pickle tugging for Gordon is the stuff PFA's are made for. But the ones you named all have had multiple great seasons. Gordon has had one. We still don't know what the fluke was. I have him at #12 on my board after being out of the game two years. That's a compliment. You get defensive anytime someone doesn't have him at number one. Very weird.^^ I'm not asking you to "throw them out", just look at it with some perspective.
Fact is, guys like Demariyus, A Brown, Dez et al have had worse stretches than that w little to no excuses. We still tug our pickles over them, dont we?
I do?to be honest, your level of pickle tugging for Gordon is the stuff PFA's are made for. But the ones you named all have had multiple great seasons. Gordon has had one. We still don't know what the fluke was.I have him at #12 on my board after being out of the game two years. That's a compliment. You get defensive anytime someone doesn't have him at number one. Very weird.^^ I'm not asking you to "throw them out", just look at it with some perspective.
Fact is, guys like Demariyus, A Brown, Dez et al have had worse stretches than that w little to no excuses. We still tug our pickles over them, dont we?
You're talking about a self-fulfilling prophecy, though. If he winds up being one of those guys who are on a lot of champs' rosters, then all that means is that he managed to put up a "right side of the bell curve" outcome. It doesn't mean that taking him where you got him (or even at his ADP) was worth the risk.So 12 or 13 puts him end of the 3rd/early 4th in a 12 team?
It might be anecdotal, but its been my experiences that most of the best teams in various fantasy football leagues have if not a similar roster.......they have similar players that they took that far exceded Average Draft Positions. I think Gordon's going to be one of those players this year. He's a guy that will be on championship rosters next year and other teams in various leagues will be floored by the Gronk/Dez Bryant/Gordon trio that someone puts together.
^^ I'm not asking you to "throw them out", just look at it with some perspective.
Fact is, guys like Demariyus, A Brown, Dez et al have had worse stretches than that w little to no excuses. We still tug our pickles over them, dont we?
poor you.I wish I could find some guys excited about Gordon. So far I have received 1 offer of a 3rd round rookie pick. I'll risk getting nothing for Gordon for that.
That guy is one slick dude. Almost played youI have been offered Cobb straight up for him in dynasty. Was considering playing it safe & trading for Cobb but Cobb just doesn't have the upside of Gordon so decided to turn it down and gamble - hoping he can get reinstated & keep his #%$ out of trouble.
I am on the other end, I offered a guy Cobb for Gordon and pick 1.09 in the rookie draft this year (12 team league) and got a straight reject with no counter.I wish I could find some guys excited about Gordon. So far I have received 1 offer of a 3rd round rookie pick. I'll risk getting nothing for Gordon for that.
Not really the strongest offer; Cobb is at a low point after a sub-par, injury riddled season and you also wanted a 1st round pick, albeit late.I am on the other end, I offered a guy Cobb for Gordon and pick 1.09 in the rookie draft this year (12 team league) and got a straight reject with no counter.I wish I could find some guys excited about Gordon. So far I have received 1 offer of a 3rd round rookie pick. I'll risk getting nothing for Gordon for that.
I agree that Cobb is at his lowest point, but Gordon is also a much larger risk than Cobb, and at this time this draft appears to be weak compared to previous drafts. I thought it was a fair offer, and this owner has said he wants to move Gordon.DropKick said:Not really the strongest offer; Cobb is at a low point after a sub-par, injury riddled season and you also wanted a 1st round pick, albeit late.msudaisy26 said:I am on the other end, I offered a guy Cobb for Gordon and pick 1.09 in the rookie draft this year (12 team league) and got a straight reject with no counter.Warhogs said:I wish I could find some guys excited about Gordon. So far I have received 1 offer of a 3rd round rookie pick. I'll risk getting nothing for Gordon for that.
Problem is, Gordon owners dont value Gordon the way non Gordon owners do lest theyd be Gordon owners as well and just as little inclined to move him for a penny stock like Cobb.I agree that Cobb is at his lowest point, but Gordon is also a much larger risk than Cobb, and at this time this draft appears to be weak compared to previous drafts. I thought it was a fair offer, and this owner has said he wants to move Gordon.DropKick said:Not really the strongest offer; Cobb is at a low point after a sub-par, injury riddled season and you also wanted a 1st round pick, albeit late.msudaisy26 said:I am on the other end, I offered a guy Cobb for Gordon and pick 1.09 in the rookie draft this year (12 team league) and got a straight reject with no counter.Warhogs said:I wish I could find some guys excited about Gordon. So far I have received 1 offer of a 3rd round rookie pick. I'll risk getting nothing for Gordon for that.
I believe all three of those mentioned were unique situations... Bryant wasn't the same or even close after the foot injury... Calvin wasn't OLine proof as it limited his downfield usage ALOT... And Brown really wasn't even playing with a QB when Ben went down (yeah Vick was THAT bad)... If Gordon gets a QB not afraid to be aggressive then he should be fine...Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson and Antonio brown all showed this past season that they were not "quarterback proof" so my question would be "what skill does josh Gordon have that none of these three do?"I think "QB proof" is hyperbole. I think Arodin's assessment from post #2 is right on: "Solid fantasy WR2, but somewhat streaky, a la Watkins or Bryant." I think depending on the league he might be either severely underdrafted or overdrafted in redraft leagues, more likely over He'll likely be a huge value in DFS leagues for the first few weeks, perhaps criminally so.
Not many people worried about Cooks or Sanders getting suspended for "accidently" smoking weed or drinking. If Gordon wasn't coming off a two year layoff and wasn't one sip of beer away from a lifetime ban, he'd be up in the top five. Pretending those things aren't a risk is just silly.Soulfly doing the lord's work in here.
Gordon is going to be a monster. Lol at ranking him below the likes of Cooks and Sanders.
If he plays a full 16,Soulfly doing the lord's work in here.
Gordon is going to be a monster. Lol at ranking him below the likes of Cooks and Sanders.
If we're saying his ADP is in the Sanders/Cooks range.....I think he (risk and all) is well worth the draft spot....particularly if I get an elite WR in the first round. Sanders and Cooks are fine receivers....but I think you can emulate their production with another WR in the later rounds. While it is possible for a later round WR to crack the top 5 WR production list at the end of the year,.....I think most would agree that there will be few drafted behind Gordon who have a realistic shot to do so. Even with the threat of a season ending suspension looming, I kind of see this as Tom Brady last year.Not many people worried about Cooks or Sanders getting suspended for "accidently" smoking weed or drinking. If Gordon wasn't coming off a two year layoff and wasn't one sip of beer away from a lifetime ban, he'd be up in the top five. Pretending those things aren't a risk is just silly.Soulfly doing the lord's work in here.
Gordon is going to be a monster. Lol at ranking him below the likes of Cooks and Sanders.
The offer wasn't for David Cobb.Problem is, Gordon owners dont value Gordon the way non Gordon owners do lest theyd be Gordon owners as well and just as little inclined to move him for a penny stock like Cobb.I agree that Cobb is at his lowest point, but Gordon is also a much larger risk than Cobb, and at this time this draft appears to be weak compared to previous drafts. I thought it was a fair offer, and this owner has said he wants to move Gordon.DropKick said:Not really the strongest offer; Cobb is at a low point after a sub-par, injury riddled season and you also wanted a 1st round pick, albeit late.msudaisy26 said:I am on the other end, I offered a guy Cobb for Gordon and pick 1.09 in the rookie draft this year (12 team league) and got a straight reject with no counter.Warhogs said:I wish I could find some guys excited about Gordon. So far I have received 1 offer of a 3rd round rookie pick. I'll risk getting nothing for Gordon for that.
if he tanks, arent you worried about egg on your face?Ok, Soulfly3 honesty time.
In redraft THIS season, I probably take him AFTER a brown, julio, beckham and deandre.
That's it. No one else I'd rather have.
I am a "risk taker" though. That's just how I play. Fantasy is fun, the money means nothing... It's just the fun of being right in a league w the same 11 other dudes for the past nearly 15yrs.
Why would he care? If he takes Gordon in the 2nd round and he gets suspended again or has just lost it because he was out for basically 2 years then he was wrong on a pick. We all our wrong sometimes, plus it won't ruin his team. People miss on 1st round picks all of the time and still do well.if he tanks, arent you worried about egg on your face?Ok, Soulfly3 honesty time.
In redraft THIS season, I probably take him AFTER a brown, julio, beckham and deandre.
That's it. No one else I'd rather have.
I am a "risk taker" though. That's just how I play. Fantasy is fun, the money means nothing... It's just the fun of being right in a league w the same 11 other dudes for the past nearly 15yrs.
yeah, but his bored cred will take a big hit.Why would he care? If he takes Gordon in the 2nd round and he gets suspended again or has just lost it because he was out for basically 2 years then he was wrong on a pick. We all our wrong sometimes, plus it won't ruin his team. People miss on 1st round picks all of the time and still do well.if he tanks, arent you worried about egg on your face?Ok, Soulfly3 honesty time.
In redraft THIS season, I probably take him AFTER a brown, julio, beckham and deandre.
That's it. No one else I'd rather have.
I am a "risk taker" though. That's just how I play. Fantasy is fun, the money means nothing... It's just the fun of being right in a league w the same 11 other dudes for the past nearly 15yrs.
i see you are a 2 star poster, this could potentially knock you down to 1.what board cred?
I'll be bumped up to 5, like the savage I am.i see you are a 2 star poster, this could potentially knock you down to 1.what board cred?
hey savage, its your pick!I'll be bumped up to 5, like the savage I am.i see you are a 2 star poster, this could potentially knock you down to 1.what board cred?
fascinating that someone looks at thatgrateful zed said:i see you are a 2 star poster, this could potentially knock you down to 1.Soulfly3 said:what board cred?
you, sir, have an interesting list of latest visitors.fascinating that someone looks at thatgrateful zed said:i see you are a 2 star poster, this could potentially knock you down to 1.Soulfly3 said:what board cred?
Good sign. He knows that sometimes it's the company you keep.@JOSH_GORDONXII 3m3 minutes ago
Priority #1 Get back in..
Priority #2 Stay in.. If you're not contributing to that, I gotta disassociate I'm sorry.. #mouthstofeed
That was a very positive tweet, I am glad to see that.Good sign. He knows that sometimes it's the company you keep.@JOSH_GORDONXII 3m3 minutes ago
Priority #1 Get back in..
Priority #2 Stay in.. If you're not contributing to that, I gotta disassociate I'm sorry.. #mouthstofeed