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Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶♂️ (10 Viewers)
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cstu
Footballguy
No need to be extreme with potatoes, just make them part of your regular diet.Lunch Fries Down. 10oz black coffee now to wake my ### up.
Probably mashed sweet potatoes for dinner I guess.
I'm already seeing the limitations of this diet after 24 hours
msommer
Footballguy
The Football Freak
Footballguy
My wife is thinking about doing this, and I was hoping for a few answers from the potato dudes. Can they be fried? Baked (with or without oil)? And I saw condiments like salsa and ketchup were being used, so that's ok? Can you add things like chicken or beef stock to the potatos? Just looking for some easy perameters to pass along. Good luck to you all, btw.
Otis
Footballguy
Cheated at dinner tonight. But not bad.
Went to a fancy steakhouse. Guys with me eating huge steaks and desserts. And drinking lots of wine.
I had one (1) beer (Brooklyn Lager) and a piece of salmon, some greens, and some shrimp. Still I had fasted all day, so feeling OK about it generally. But stuff like this screws up our data, and after all, if the FFA isn't scientific, then what are we?
Went to a fancy steakhouse. Guys with me eating huge steaks and desserts. And drinking lots of wine.
I had one (1) beer (Brooklyn Lager) and a piece of salmon, some greens, and some shrimp. Still I had fasted all day, so feeling OK about it generally. But stuff like this screws up our data, and after all, if the FFA isn't scientific, then what are we?
xulf
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Other than the high GI (only matters if you're already diabetic), yes. I'm more than a little irritated about being lied to my whole life.
I was also reading that high GI foods are great for recovery after a workout so potatoes plus protein is a perfect post-workout meal.
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cstu
Footballguy
Seriously, just stop the 'full spud' diet and eat healthy with potatoes with your meals. I did the 'full spud' diet for one day and found it ridiculous and unnecessarily extreme. Instead I incorporated potatoes into my daily diet. Potatoes are filling and you'll eat a lot less of 'bad' foods.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
grilled tilapia
baked potato with a ####ton (official measurement!) of grassfed butter and shredded cheese
water
baked potato with a ####ton (official measurement!) of grassfed butter and shredded cheese
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msommer
Footballguy
If we gave it a catchy title?
"The ******Official Let's not Eat Like Idiots Thread******"
msommer
Footballguy
First post of that thread would be dedicated to my business partner who after hearing about the potato diet from me started it. After five days he's not lost an ounce.
When I asked him what he had to eat yesterday he said "Five pounds of potatoes"
When I asked him what he had to eat yesterday he said "Five pounds of potatoes"
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cstu
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
the diet absolutely works if you are strict about it. potatoes only, no fat, a little seasoning (even some low/no sugar hot sauce is ok), don't eat the skins if you don't need to. Do that for 3-4 days you will for sure lose 5lbs or so.
beyond that, just eating some potato before every meal might help you become a better eater, eat less and just lost weight slowly over time the proper way. Potatoes are so filling that if you start your meal with a baked potato, you won't eat half your steak, or your pasta, or taco salad or hamburger etc...whatever it was that was the main course. So if the end result of this is just to lower your average daily consumption of calories, its a win win.
beyond that, just eating some potato before every meal might help you become a better eater, eat less and just lost weight slowly over time the proper way. Potatoes are so filling that if you start your meal with a baked potato, you won't eat half your steak, or your pasta, or taco salad or hamburger etc...whatever it was that was the main course. So if the end result of this is just to lower your average daily consumption of calories, its a win win.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Yes, high GI foods are a known staple in the bodybuilding community after a workout. There are even supplements that have been made specifically for that reason:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclemeds/secret-sauce.html
That's 50g of carbs and while the formula is proprietary (it consists of a Insulin-Release Amplifying Reactive Carbohydrate System, so that's the sort of marketing they are going after).
Or here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mhp/darkmatter.html?searchterm=dark%20matt
So yeah, right after your workout, you do want something that your body can absorb very quickly.
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Insoxicated
Eh this is entertaining though. Couple more days out of morbid curiousity then back to eating normal but healthy.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Glad to have you aboard. Looking forward to somebody with some epicurean skills posting some good ideas for different ways to cook them. The not hungry thing is pretty remarkable. I get hungry now because I am mixing it up, but once I get through the first day of nothing but potatoes, I have to force myself to eat.
Full spud gives the best results. I had to lose about 100 lbs to get back to my old fighting weight. If you want to lose fast, nothing but potatoes works, fast. I agree about the sustainable part, and I do eat more healthy now, but I might go on another run of full spud to lose quickly, or if I plateau and stall at a certain weight. It just works.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
As a type II diabetic I can't imagine this would be a good idea for me.
Ned
Footballguy
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Insoxicated
Down 1.2lbs more this morning... 4 total in 2days. Light headache this morning but not sure if it's related. Feeling good and not really hungry. Will have to force myself to eat breakfast later.
Congrats Otis. You staying on thru Friday?
I have a challenge coming up Thursday, a birthday dinner the GF committed us to. Could easily stick to potatoes and water with this couple and may do so. Will see.
Friday night I may end up going to Zoo Brew beer festival at the Memphis Zoo. Hundreds of beers to sample in a fun environment. I was planning on going off diet Satuday morning so won't be a huge issue to jump a few hours early. Will probably still eat potato-centric fri night before heading out and avoid any late night snacking stupidity.
Congrats Otis. You staying on thru Friday?
I have a challenge coming up Thursday, a birthday dinner the GF committed us to. Could easily stick to potatoes and water with this couple and may do so. Will see.
Friday night I may end up going to Zoo Brew beer festival at the Memphis Zoo. Hundreds of beers to sample in a fun environment. I was planning on going off diet Satuday morning so won't be a huge issue to jump a few hours early. Will probably still eat potato-centric fri night before heading out and avoid any late night snacking stupidity.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Weight wise I'm still just under 210. Nothing extreme diet wise on the weekend. I was at the family cottage so a lot of BBQ and beer.
During the week just eating sensibly. Had spaghetti squash with a veggie loaded marinara sauce Monday night. Last night we had a pile of mashed potatoes with some stuffed portobellos and the rest of the sauce from Monday.
Otis
Footballguy
If my experience is any indication, you can eat crap and drink sometimes and this keeps working. Just need to keep stringing together multi day clusters of all potato in between.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
"So, plans for the three day weekend?"
"Yep, a multi-day potato cluster."
"Is that any relation to the famous Mongolian Cluster****?"
"Sadly no."
"Yep, a multi-day potato cluster."
"Is that any relation to the famous Mongolian Cluster****?"
"Sadly no."
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Insoxicated
If I break formation for dinner Thursday night... it will be for something like a 6oz filet, baked potato, steamed asparagus/broccoli and maybe a beer. Nothing too out of line.
If I break formation for friday night it will be for ~1-2000 calories of high end microbrew beer.
Will see how it goes. Satuday's cookout will just be crawfish, corn, potatoes, and light beer. If I'm going to go ahead and get off the spud diet for the holiday weekend, I MAY skip the potatoes
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RUSF18
Footballguy
For you people dropping multiple pounds per week eating virtually all potatoes, how much weight have you been able to drop using traditional means in other scenarios? I see people dropping 5 lbs a week on 1200 calories of potatoes. It seems like you wouldn't get the same result on 1200 calories of regular food which math says shouldn't really happen. Wondering what else is at play.
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Insoxicated
I think with any crazy "diet" you're going to see significant drops of several pounds the first week if you stick with it. I think what seems strange about this one is folks don't seem to rebound as badly when coming back off it (assuming you don't go full #######).
Some of the reasons why have been covered in here by folks much smarter than myself (ProstRGK, cudleus, Maurile).
I've had about 150 calories of oven roasted "fries" so far today with no dipping sauces or anything. Still not hungry. So odd. Normally i am STARVING by now after my typical 3 egg breakfast.
Otis
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
My guess is that it's largely a function of satiety and breaking the food/reward cycle.
1200 calories is very hard to stick to in traditional diets. So if the Potato Hack diet allows someone to consistently comply with a 1200 calorie a day diet in a way that Weight Watchers or something doesn't, that would go pretty far. Maybe not five lbs a week (the math says you'd need to run a caloric deficit of 2500 calories a day, which isn't completely impossible depending on metabolism and activity, but seems pretty unlikely). But a steady two pounds a week would seem virtually assured for most men, if we just assume strict linear thermodynamic stuff.
I think most differences between diets in those comparison studies are likely explained by compliance rates.
xulf
Footballguy
I went with a potato, chicken sausage, wilted spinach and salsa for breakfast for 262 calories. I will often do this with beans and/or eggs instead of the potato. The potato addition has definitely curbed my hunger way more than if I go beans/eggs.
I know I can't go all spuds, but they seem like a no-brainer add to a diet at this point (thanks stupid myths).
ETA - I also worked out for over an hour doing cardio this morning, so I am running on an extreme deficit at the moment and not really hungry at all.
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Not that I would purport to give anyone medical advice, but high-starch low-fat diets have proven to be effective for many people in treating or even reversing type 2 diabetes.Binky The Doormat said:
Often, the best thing you can do for type 2 diabetes is to lose weight. High-starch low-fat diets (such as the rice diet -- the potato diet hasn't been studied as well) are not only relatively effective for weight loss, but they seem to improve insulin sensitivity independent of their effects on weight loss. This is worth a read.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Pretty sure this is the diet for 90% of Americans. But they are organic potatoes and ketchup, grass-fed beef, olive oil mayo, hand churned ice cream from an organic sourced farm, and craft brew beer... so healthy!
cstu
Footballguy
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
The McDougall website, where I first got most of my information on this diet, advocates a vegan diet to reverse type II diabetes. There are countless success stories on the website of people using this type of diet and being able to come off DM meds entirely. blood glucose normalizes, HgbA1C results improve.Binky The Doormat said:
i do not fully understand how it works. I was taught all my life that carbs were what causes DM, and glucose intolerance or insensitivity. At the hospital, we still put people on the SmartCarb diet, which consists of almost no starch, a limited amount of bland protein (dried out boneless, skinless chicken breast) and artificial sweeteners out the wazoo. I still see huge BG spikes after people eat, and nobody gets cured.
i was pre-diabetic before I started this diet. 100lbs. Overweight (at least) mostly belly fat. I knew it was a race between a heart attack/stroke and DM II, on which one struck first. My blood sugars now are completely normalized. My blood panels show I am in a state that is almost "heart-attack proof."
My goal now is to start leading community meetings at my hospital, so I can follow up with patients and educate them better on nutrition as a tool in reducing risks with their disease process. I hit on this idea taking care of one patient in particular who did not even know they were diabetic and came in with severe ketoacidosis (BG=960s!) and spent 2 months in ICU, ventilated and paralyzed, with millions of dollars spent on special equipment to keep their lungs and kidneys from being irreversibly damaged. The suffering of this patient and their family was immense. I am now following up with this patient personally to make sure they have all the information and support they need to reverse the disease process. Most of these patients aren't FBG's- they aren't buying VitaMixes or $100/oz supplements. They aren't college educated, and they know about nutrition what they learned in High School health class from the Food Pyramid. If I can teach them ways to save money and increase their health through such a simple approach, and really reach 10-15% of them, I will consider that a wonderful success.
IMO, this would help you. I think if you did this diet for a while, then switched to something more sustainable, you could get off diabetes meds permanently and reclaim your health. if you're interested in trying this, Binky, let me know. I need to get organized in how I present information and how to best help/advocate for people that want to pursue this. I would be willing to work with you on the best approach to take, and how to navigate the doctors and lab work you'd need to do. Whatever the case, GL.
