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I LOVE Elizabeth Warren: All aboard - WOO WOO!!! (5 Viewers)

squistion said:
Here we can discuss issues relating to Native Americans

We will begin by noting this is Indigenous Peoples Day where we honor the very first inhabitants of this land.

This is being recognized by four states (MN, VT, AK & SD), sixty cities (LA, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, Austin, Nashville), and a growing number of college campuses instead of Columbus Day. Hopefully the numbers will increase every year.

Here is a link to the Twitter hashtag #IndigenousPeoplesDay2018 for those that are interested:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndigenousPeoplesDay2018?src=tren
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squistion said:
This is really hard to stomach. Right wing comedian (?) Stephen Crowder has put out a video "Goodbye, Columbus Day" for PragerU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxYVbC283uM&feature=youtu.be

This video denies Native American genocide, while decrying the "barbarism" of indigenous peoples, and justifies the battle of wounded knee.
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squistion said:
Happy Indigenous Peoples' Day! 

New Mexico, Maine and other states are celebrating their first Indigenous Peoples Day as part of a trend to move away from a day honoring Christopher Columbus.

https://apnews.com/32759d8251a14b22974c3fe00bfbd6e0?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
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squistion said:
Julián Castro‏ @JulianCastro 50m50 minutes ago

Today our campaign joins more than 100 cities and eight states in the celebration of #IndigenousPeoplesDay. We honor the more than 573 tribes across the US, their land we live on, their contributions to the world, and the resiliency of Indigenous people.

Elizabeth Warren‏ @ewarren 46m46 minutes ago

The story of America’s mistreatment of indigenous peoples is long and painful. And yet, Native communities have proven resilient. We owe them our respect—and we must honor our government's commitments and promises to them. #IndigenousPeoplesDay
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ren hoek said:
How many Native Americans does it take for their opinions to matter to you?
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squistion said:
Not 200 like this.
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#indigenouspeoplesday

 
squistion said:
So, only 200 NA's in the US celebrate #indigenouspeoplesday? Somehow I doubt that. 
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It's funny how you use natives as a prop to virtue signal, even sharing a tweet from a politician that falsely co-opted their identity, but the second they get out of line it's like they don't exist.  Incredible really.  

 
ren hoek said:
It's funny how you use natives as a prop to virtue signal, even sharing a tweet from a politician that falsely co-opted their identity, but the second they get out of line it's like they don't exist.  Incredible really.  
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Unlike you, I have never held out a small sample size of 200 Native Americans as indicate of anything, like how indigenous people feel. 

 
squistion said:
Unlike you, I have never held out a small sample size of 200 Native Americans as indicate of anything, like how indigenous people feel. 
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If you knew any American Indians, you would know that they tend to take a dim view of white people pretending to be Indian.  Obviously that's a generalization, no population of any size monolithically agrees on anything, but this is a pretty widespread view that cuts across most tribes.

 
Every single one of her commercials is attacking Bloomberg even though he has yet to log a delegate and everyone else is beating her up and down in the primaries.  I cant figure out if its Bernie Bros or the DNC paying her off. 

 
tonydead said:
Every single one of her commercials is attacking Bloomberg even though he has yet to log a delegate and everyone else is beating her up and down in the primaries.  I cant figure out if its Bernie Bros or the DNC paying her off. 
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It's definitely not Bernie... she's had lots of knives out for him for the last month

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Might be wishful thinking on my part but I feel like Warren might grab enough Buttigieg and Klobuchar and Steyer voters to be viable in a bunch of places that she otherwise would not.  
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She very well could. One of my wife’s sorority sisters is real politically active in the CA Democratic Party these days. Shockingly enough she and I get along really well, but I digress. Anyway she’s a huge Warren person. Not sure if that’s a wider view within party people there or not. She’s pretty vocal about not having another old white guy, etc and Warren actually being a Democrat, etc. I’d think at the least it could help Warren in places like CA where it’s pretty left already. I also think it may help her a touch in MA where those few supporting Pete and Amy in MA could turn to someone they know. 

 
Juxtatarot said:
Warren has no path going forward.
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She has no path to win the most delegates.

But, you could make the case that in a brokered convention, she is the compromise candidate amongst Sanders, Warren, and Biden.  She certainly leans further left than Biden, but has more establishment ties/connections than Sanders.

If she stays in the race, and performs reasonably well ~15+% effectively keeping anyone from a majority of delegates - she will wield a lot of power at the convention.

 
Sinn Fein said:
She has no path to win the most delegates.

But, you could make the case that in a brokered convention, she is the compromise candidate amongst Sanders, Warren, and Biden.  She certainly leans further left than Biden, but has more establishment ties/connections than Sanders.

If she stays in the race, and performs reasonably well ~15+% effectively keeping anyone from a majority of delegates - she will wield a lot of power at the convention.
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From a pure popcorn perspective a brokered convention where they give the nod to the Warren would be magnificent. 

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Proud to say I voted for Warren. I am just hoping she picks up enough delegates to broker the convention and keep Bloomberg from gaining any momentum. 
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My household was 2 votes for Warren.  It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.  

 
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Sinn Fein said:
She has no path to win the most delegates.

But, you could make the case that in a brokered convention, she is the compromise candidate amongst Sanders, Warren, and Biden.  She certainly leans further left than Biden, but has more establishment ties/connections than Sanders.

If she stays in the race, and performs reasonably well ~15+% effectively keeping anyone from a majority of delegates - she will wield a lot of power at the convention.
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But I just don't see how she'll ever have the kind of leverage to be the top of the ticket in a brokered scenario. She'd be "last" among those three -- where does her argument come from that, in fact, the voters were wrong all along and she should really be the nominee?

 
tommyGunZ said:
My household was 2 votes for Warren.  It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.  
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Does warren even get 25% of the female vote? 

 
mcintyre1 said:
But I just don't see how she'll ever have the kind of leverage to be the top of the ticket in a brokered scenario. She'd be "last" among those three -- where does her argument come from that, in fact, the voters were wrong all along and she should really be the nominee?
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She would be the only choice that could unite Bernie and Biden voters...alleviating the fears that Bernie would lose by being too far left and Biden would lose by being a terrible candidate. 

 
mcintyre1 said:
But I just don't see how she'll ever have the kind of leverage to be the top of the ticket in a brokered scenario. She'd be "last" among those three -- where does her argument come from that, in fact, the voters were wrong all along and she should really be the nominee?
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Imagine it's 40% Biden, 40% Bernie, 20% Warren.  Warren says to Bernie "make me the nominee otherwise the superdelegates are going to make Biden the nominee."  What do you think Bernie does in that scenario?

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Imagine it's 40% Biden, 40% Bernie, 20% Warren.  Warren says to Bernie "make me the nominee otherwise the superdelegates are going to make Biden the nominee."  What do you think Bernie does in that scenario?
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I think Warren has a lot more to lose (long term) in that scenario. But I guess they're all old, so maybe that doesn't matter. Still, I think if Bernie agreed in that scenario you'd run a lot of the same risks of a brokered convention for Biden, that a good chunk of his passionate base sits out no matter what he says to them about voting for the nominee.

Again, in that situation, Bernie is in the much stronger position and in any rational world where Warren cares more about policy than personal success, I don't see why she wouldn't just align with him instead.

 
mcintyre1 said:
I think Warren has a lot more to lose (long term) in that scenario. But I guess they're all old, so maybe that doesn't matter. Still, I think if Bernie agreed in that scenario you'd run a lot of the same risks of a brokered convention for Biden, that a good chunk of his passionate base sits out no matter what he says to them about voting for the nominee.

Again, in that situation, Bernie is in the much stronger position and in any rational world where Warren cares more about policy than personal success, I don't see why she wouldn't just align with him instead.
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Yeah, I agree it's problematic but that's a way it could potentially happen. 

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
She would be the only choice that could unite Bernie and Biden voters...alleviating the fears that Bernie would lose by being too far left and Biden would lose by being a terrible candidate. 
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She's somewhat polarizing and advocates policies like M4All and eliminating all student debt.  What is her path to being a unifier or an acceptable choice to Biden voters?

 
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parasaurolophus said:

Wapo story...

Elizabeth warren apologizes for calling herself native american.
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I can't speak for RHE, but it seemed like he was taking issue with Ivan's rather broad definition of the word "pretending" – a word that typically implies deceit. There's little evidence to show that Warren had any sort of intent to deceive, as she never claimed to have 100% native blood.

Also, the WaPo story is unclear about exactly what Warren apologized for. Did she apologize for identifying as Native American, or did she apologize for implying that she was a member of, or eligible to be a member of, the Cherokee tribe? From what I can glean from Warren's statements, it seems like she has only apologized for the latter thing. (Which may explain why various Native activists are demanding another apology.)
 
Joe Summer said:
. There's little evidence to show that Warren had any sort of intent to deceive, as she never claimed to have 100% native blood.
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 I never thought she did it intentionally. Though, knowing that it had to be only a small % of blood (since she'd know status of the mot recent generations), designating her race as American Indian for her Texas Bar registration does lean that way.

 
Da Guru said:
Warren done.   Good riddance.
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Never really had a chance as it was Bernie or Liz on the socialism side.  Just like in a horse race you need bodies to fill out the field.  Warren was an also ran who never had a real shot at winning anything.  I was surprised she did not bail out like Pete and Amy did to help Biden to help Bernie.

 
Mystery Achiever said:
 I never thought she did it intentionally. Though, knowing that it had to be only a small % of blood (since she'd know status of the mot recent generations), designating her race as American Indian for her Texas Bar registration does lean that way.
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Why would it lean that way?  That data was not used for anything but demographic reporting.  

I was in pretty much the exact same position as Warren was when I filled out my first job application after college.  The family story was that I had a great grandfather who was Native American (and who may have been in the James Gang).  I heard that from my Dad and then a discussion in some detail at a family reunion.  Because I'm from Virginia, and not, Oklahoma, this wasn't presented as a central fact about my family as it appears to have been in Warren's, but I still remember pausing over the question about ethnicity in my first job application.  Not because it granted me a preference.  Like on the bar application, it was for demographic reporting only.  But because, in the early 90s, I didn't really know how to answer it.  Which seems stupid now.  I never self-identified as anything other than lily white.  Which is what I think I remember actually marking. But I know I considered marking Native American, because it was, as far as I knew, accurate in a sense.

 
tommyGunZ said:
My household was 2 votes for Warren.  It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.  
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When you write off what would be the first Jewish American president in history as "white dude". 

She's so smart she got baited by Trump into a DNA test that pissed off Native Americans, ran her credibility into the ground in 1 election cycle, told numerous lies and sold out to Super PACs.  Honestly, the Native American thing wouldn't be so bad to me if she'd just stood up for them at Standing Rock.  She just sat there while Obama cracked protesters' skulls.  

She needs to go away.  

 
tonydead said:
Every single one of her commercials is attacking Bloomberg even though he has yet to log a delegate and everyone else is beating her up and down in the primaries.  I cant figure out if its Bernie Bros or the DNC paying her off. 
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She sees the big picture. She understands her situation and is trying to help America. 

 
Joe Summer said:
I can't speak for RHE, but it seemed like he was taking issue with Ivan's rather broad definition of the word "pretending" – a word that typically implies deceit. There's little evidence to show that Warren had any sort of intent to deceive, as she never claimed to have 100% native blood.

Also, the WaPo story is unclear about exactly what Warren apologized for. Did she apologize for identifying as Native American, or did she apologize for implying that she was a member of, or eligible to be a member of, the Cherokee tribe? From what I can glean from Warren's statements, it seems like she has only apologized for the latter thing. (Which may explain why various Native activists are demanding another apology.)
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It's either deliberate deceit or gross ignorance.  Family lore that your great-great-grandfather might have been Cherokee doesn't make you Cherokee, even under the most racist possible version of the one drop rule.  A Harvard law professor really ought to know that.  

 
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