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Agree with this take. Even if Golladay walks, I imagine they’ll be using some FA money or draft capital for some key WR help. And as mentioned, Goff doesn’t have to be great. Akers was doing just fine with him, albeit with quality receivers to take pressure off.
I don't think Golladay ever intended to return, but this move makes it clear the front office won't pursue him. I agree about expecting a draft pick though- probably top 50 WR. Not so sure about FA.
I guess they could always franchise tag Golladay, although I can’t imagine he’d be too happy staying on after Stafford was sent packing.
I don't think they will have the cap space to do that, but this Lions group doesn't intend to compete in '21 anyway and Golladay is starting to head down the age bell curve. He makes more sense somewhere else.
If they’re rebuilding there’s no reason to use the tag on him - but who knows?
It’s a definite possibility but I wouldn’t act as if it’s a certainty. Given it appears they are looking to tank for multiple seasons so I would guess they would mostly focus on BPA. At 7 that could be a Devonta Smith of Jaylen Waddle. I think they would also be extremely likely to trade down to get more picks for their rebuild.
Fair points - they’re rebuilding and that may reduce the need to franchise Golladay. But then again, coaches and GMs also don’t have the luxury to wait and have to improve now. If they wait to add key players, it will end up to be the benefit of the next coaching/management regime.
Few things:
Yeah, good point on the age item. At this point we don’t know what the Lions are thinking really. Which is one of the reasons I don’t think any current owners will come off their high price for Swift yet. There’s the possibility they replace Golladay with a top 50 pick, they may even draft a top QB this year at 7 to sit for a year behind Goff. A high volume offense for Swift looks likely but will it be James Robinson-esque where all the touches also leads to good results or will it be like what we saw with Zeke this past year with lots of touches and terrible efficiency? (Just a statistical example, not saying they are the exact same situation or players.) I know I wouldn’t spend a 1st in a startup on him at this time, way too much uncertainty IMO.
Can you expound on this ceiling cap at age 22? Relative newb to the boards here, although I've been a round ffl for a long time. I'd assume that given the circumstances of 2020 that MOST rookie's performance will increase more than normal between season 1 and 2, age be damned.
I don't disagree that Swift showed the talent to be special or that he can achieve a high output. I still view him very highly as a pure talent. My issue is if he will get the role we want him to have to be fantasy beastly? If that team is rebuilding the whole thing, which that's what it looks like, that's 2-3 years of it probably. He's a backend RB1 or a decent RB2 on a poor offense if that's the case, probably just due to volume. He's the only weapon worth a damn on that team (as of now). More focus from defense's and they're likely to not be up in games to give him the volume to run as much. Could be a boom to his receiving but I doubt it.
RB success has some correlation to the quality of team, especially the quality of the offense. Volume and independent skill still matters more, but it's something to consider. I'll try to remember next time I'm on my laptop to search for the supporting data I read about this last year.
I am uncertain as to whether things have shifted to the point where mid-20's are the new near-30 or if we just happen to be in a place where the guys that just recently passed their mid-20's simply weren't very good.menobrown said:
FFPC
I have Trautman as well and plan on keeping him due to FFPC being TE Premiun as well as word that Cook might be on the way out of New Orleans. Can’t ignore that upside imo.
I got a Penny, Bell, Cohen team and might cut them all so welcome to my world.
I have some tough choices in FFPC leagues as well. But for yours specifically, I'd consider Cohen or Trautman. Cohen in FFPC is rather valuable for a competitor I'd say, just doesn't hold trade value. If you're looking towards the future and not quite competitive I'd keep Trautman here.
Probably right on the bolded, I did not consider the QB's eating up extra roster space in SF.
W FHP
I know we are reading that Pitts might be the greatest TE since (fill in the blank) but man if you go back and look at the number of TEs taken in the first round over the last decade who either haven't broken out yet or never turned out more than average to solid it would make me pause about taking Pitts over Waller, Fant, and Hockenson. Some of those 1st round TEs are Kmet, Hurst, Henry, Maxx Williams, Ebron, Eifert, Fleener, Rudolph, and Gresham just going back 10 years.
Yeah, but generational, man.
My order is this
I agree. I’d take Pitts over Fant and Hockenson. If the current versions of Hockenson and Fant are what I miss out on if I swing and miss on Pitts, I can live with that. I like the other two, so I understand the counter argument. But I do see a higher fantasy upside with Pitts.
Same here and in many ways I could compare this discussion to a previous discussion of Josh Jacobs value compared to 1.1. They are similar because in both cases you know with the veteran players you have good players, but so far not great players or what I'd term as difference makers. If you think these players will become those things that's another subject but if you are inclined to think they won't be great or difference makers and you have a shot to take someone you think can be I'm taking that shot. I'll risk swinging and missing on a player I think is good for a chance at something great. I'll know I won't always hit 100% on these kind of deals, I also would know I don't need to remotely come close to that for it to work out.
I agree with you in principle, and do prefer the 1.01, but am pretty low on this RB class, relative to consensus. Outside of Harris, who probably would have been my RB3 or 4 in last year's class, I don't see a prospect I like more than I liked Jacobs. I don't see another back with an obviously higher ceiling.
Waller owner's ears must have been burning. He just sent me an offer...His Waller, 2021 1.08 & 2021 3.03 for my Keenan Allen, Goedert & Golladay.
That's about right. I ran it through three calcs and haven't seen one of them even remotely close in your favor. It's pretty lopsided in favor of him, but you have to discount Golladay and Goedert a bit because nobody seems to be buying. But your breakdown of who for who or what for what seems accurate. Depends if you can negotiate something better for Goedert.
I guess we shall see what he says.I'm ok with Golladay for 1.08, but maybe I'd do it now if he took Engram from me instead of Goedrt in his offer...
Likely land a difference maker WR or RB or TE. What does your team need?steeler6 said:
