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36 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

Javonte Williams or Diontae Johnson ppr, who you got

Williams and it's not close.  There are a lot of WR's that can fill Diontae's shoes on your team.  Williams has some shiny new toy brightness but with that comes hope and right now that hope is worth a lot more than a WR2/3-ish type guy

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I am trying to make my dad a fair trade offer in a dynasty league. It is not a family league and I do not want anyone to think collusion or similar. I have not ever made a trade with him in this league for years because of that.

However this year he wants my 1.14 pick, so i appreciate the help with this. It is an IDP league where you start 2 DE's, 3/4 Lbers, and 3/4 DB's. At a minimum 42 LBers are being started every week with very IDP friendly scoring.

Top Linebacker scored 360 points, LB 29 scored 212 points, LB 42 scored 180 points.

My dad is strong in DE, and week everywhere else. He needs a couple good drafts before he will compete. I won the league last year, but am week at DE.

 

My

1.14

2.14

3.09

Shaq Thompson LBer 29 in our scoring

 

His

Kenny Golladay

Joey Bosa

4.07

5.07

 

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6 minutes ago, MTskibum said:

I am trying to make my dad a fair trade offer in a dynasty league. It is not a family league and I do not want anyone to think collusion or similar. I have not ever made a trade with him in this league for years because of that.

However this year he wants my 1.14 pick, so i appreciate the help with this. It is an IDP league where you start 2 DE's, 3/4 Lbers, and 3/4 DB's. At a minimum 42 LBers are being started every week with very IDP friendly scoring.

Top Linebacker scored 360 points, LB 29 scored 212 points, LB 42 scored 180 points.

My dad is strong in DE, and week everywhere else. He needs a couple good drafts before he will compete. I won the league last year, but am week at DE.

 

My

1.14

2.14

3.09

Shaq Thompson LBer 29 in our scoring

 

His

Kenny Golladay

Joey Bosa

4.07

5.07

 

You aren't really offering much to get Joey Bosa unless he is only worth the 1.14. Based on the top linebacker scoring unless Shaq Thompson projects to score more this year.  I would assume Bosa had much more impact as DE.

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5 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

You aren't really offering much to get Joey Bosa unless he is only worth the 1.14. Based on the top linebacker scoring unless Shaq Thompson projects to score more this year.  I would assume Bosa had much more impact as DE.

 

Top DE's usually are chosen mid to late 2nd. My dad has Nick Bosa as well because he could not pass him up at 2.06. I figured Joey was a couple years older and would be worth less than that. 

But yes, my offer is probably light.

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12 minutes ago, MTskibum said:

 

Top DE's usually are chosen mid to late 2nd. My dad has Nick Bosa as well because he could not pass him up at 2.06. I figured Joey was a couple years older and would be worth less than that. 

But yes, my offer is probably light.

You would know IDPs better than me, especially for your league scoring systems.  Shaq didn't seem like giving much up at the LB position and if Bosa is only worth a mid 2nd you may be pretty close there.  

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22 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

You would know IDPs better than me, especially for your league scoring systems.  Shaq didn't seem like giving much up at the LB position and if Bosa is only worth a mid 2nd you may be pretty close there.  

Shaq is not giving up much at the lber position, but he would be an every week starter for the other 13 teams.

 

I could do 1.14 for bosa and 2.07, but I think my dad wants additional draft picks, not just trading up.

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1 hour ago, MTskibum said:

Top Linebacker scored 360 points, LB 29 scored 212 points, LB 42 scored 180 points.

 

This really doesn't have much meaning since the key player is a DE and you don't list how that compares to offensive scoring.  If the top DE are scoring 200 pts then they are undervalued and not very important.  If the top offensive players are scoring 500 pts then LB's are somewhat of an afterthought as well.

 

Context would be helpful but regardless it seems like a good trade for Bosa (an injury prone DE) as the other guy should be getting a somewhat premium player at 1.14 as well as what should be startable players at 2.14 and 3.09.  Thompson may be just bench depth though so maybe improve that player aspect a bit.  

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1 hour ago, MTskibum said:

 

Top DE's usually are chosen mid to late 2nd. My dad has Nick Bosa as well because he could not pass him up at 2.06. I figured Joey was a couple years older and would be worth less than that. 

But yes, my offer is probably light.

Based on all this, I’d say Golladay is probably worth more than the 1.14, Bosa worth more than the 2.14, and Shaq probably close to making up for that. I’d probably drop the late picks he’s adding or toss another pick in. Or upgrade Shaq somewhat. 

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Zeke. Everyone seems down on him. Yes, his numbers have trended down. Yes, he is at the end of prime RB age. Still, he should have 2-3 elite years left. I don't understand why he's going for pennies. I'd be trying to acquire him and Julio if their owners are giving them away. They can both still move the needle in a big way. 

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21 minutes ago, dipandglide said:

Zeke. Everyone seems down on him. Yes, his numbers have trended down. Yes, he is at the end of prime RB age. Still, he should have 2-3 elite years left. I don't understand why he's going for pennies. I'd be trying to acquire him and Julio if their owners are giving them away. They can both still move the needle in a big way. 

I think Zeke has 2 years of mid-RB1 left and then it's off a freaking cliff with an anvil parachute. He's locked into Dallas until the end of 2022 after which they will drop that contract so fast it'll catch fire. At that point he'll be 28 to start the 2023 season with close to 2k carries and probably still looking for a big contract. His time as the focal point for an offense will be over; he'll be a veteran presence and role player with some serviceable RB2/RB3 usage if the wheels haven't completely fallen off physically.

I'd love to have him as a contender this year or next... but seems to me owners think he is going to be elite for 2-3 more years and slowly regress to RB2. That's a big value disconnect from his entirely possible zero floor outcome in 2023 

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1 hour ago, Adso said:

I think Zeke has 2 years of mid-RB1 left and then it's off a freaking cliff with an anvil parachute. He's locked into Dallas until the end of 2022 after which they will drop that contract so fast it'll catch fire. At that point he'll be 28 to start the 2023 season with close to 2k carries and probably still looking for a big contract. His time as the focal point for an offense will be over; he'll be a veteran presence and role player with some serviceable RB2/RB3 usage if the wheels haven't completely fallen off physically.

I'd love to have him as a contender this year or next... but seems to me owners think he is going to be elite for 2-3 more years and slowly regress to RB2. That's a big value disconnect from his entirely possible zero floor outcome in 2023 

Would you want him or Javonte Williams?

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1 hour ago, dipandglide said:

Would you want him or Javonte Williams?

The answer here totally depends on if your team is Win Now or Rebuilding imo 

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25 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

What's Julio's value right now? Can't decide what I want to do with him or what to trade him for?

I think his value is too much up in the air right now. It seems inevitable that the Falcons are trading him, so I wouldn't want to sell or buy him until I see what team he is on.

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11 hours ago, dipandglide said:

Would you want him or Javonte Williams?

I was looking to trade him for a #1 WR - find a team that is deep at WR and weak at RB

Ended up with JJ - I was very happy. My upgrade at Flex was better then my down grade at rb

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15 hours ago, northern exposure said:

I think his value is too much up in the air right now. It seems inevitable that the Falcons are trading him, so I wouldn't want to sell or buy him until I see what team he is on.

It may be too late by then.  Sometimes you just have to gamble to have the chance to maximize your return, or minimize it.  That's why it's called gambling.  However, with JJ it's a big gamble because of his age.  If he lands in a horrible spot with a bad offense and bad QB, his value will fall no matter how good JJ still is.

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16 hours ago, northern exposure said:

I think his value is too much up in the air right now. It seems inevitable that the Falcons are trading him, so I wouldn't want to sell or buy him until I see what team he is on.

I can't see a scenario where his landing spot will be better than it is with ATL.  I'd try very hard to move him right now. 

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2 hours ago, Blick said:

I can't see a scenario where his landing spot will be better than it is with ATL.  I'd try very hard to move him right now. 

Jaguars, Jets, Broncos, Bengals, Lions, Browns, Chargers, and 49ers seem to be mentioned as the teams with enough available cap space to acquire Julio. There are some teams on that list that would offer at least the same opportunity as ATL.

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1 hour ago, northern exposure said:

Jaguars, Jets, Broncos, Bengals, Lions, Browns, Chargers, and 49ers seem to be mentioned as the teams with enough available cap space to acquire Julio. There are some teams on that list that would offer at least the same opportunity as ATL.

I can't see the Chargers doing it. They already have two $15M WRs this year - Allen and Mike Williams. They also need defensive help (IDL, secondary).

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21 hours ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

What's Julio's value right now? Can't decide what I want to do with him or what to trade him for?

I took over an orphan with Julio and Chark and was crafting trade proposal ideas. A site I looked at to get a sense of where they would be in relation to each other has them reversed depending on 1QB or Superflex format. Chark is higher ranked/drafted in 1QB, Jones higher ranked/drafted in Superflex (fairly substantially). Colour me confused but I don't see why there would be a difference based on format.

Regardless, I think Jones' value is based more on the status of the team - his potential production value is higher to contenders. I think his value is at an ebb right now, maybe a trade will spike it some with a favourable landing spot. But I think it will pick up in-season once he has a good game or two. If you can find that in-season value now, then it makes sense to take that opportunity. otherwise it will be selling at the low point, imo.

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@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

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27 minutes ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

I’d go Zeke and Aiyuk. Gordon is an unknown after this year. Who knows what Drake’s real value is? Either way it’s not projected to be high - RB3 range.

The 1.7 is a solid piece. Maybe Smith or Waddle? Think I’d prefer Aiyuk over either.  The 1.12 helps but I’d still land on the Zeke/Aiyuk side.

Ran it thru a couple trade calculators with both favoring the Zeke/Aiyuk side by a healthy amount.
 

 

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42 minutes ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

I would do that in a heartbeat. Your RBs will be unstoppable and you’re getting one of the better WRs (Aiyuk) to come out in the past 3 rookie drafts. Don’t hesitate to accept

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1 hour ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

I'm a fan in a vacuum (taking Aiyuk), and if your team is a contender (assuming so with those starting RB's), it's even more in your favor. Since it was offered... maybe counter? I think Gordon/Drake are serviceable depth this year but moving towards roster clogger status so leave them in and perhaps ask for a future second or another depth/handcuff piece in return? Really anything you can get would be gravy.

I'd only consider not doing it if I was in an obvious rebuild and about to sell CMC for bank.

With your RB's why Najee over Chase at 1.01?

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3 hours ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

Get Zeke,

Give your 1.1 for his 1.3 since you have RB depth, extract more value

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7 hours ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

Aiyuk and Zeke is a great deal for you.  I also don't agree with the suggestion to extract more.  You like the offer,  and that trades a clear win for  you assuming you're a contender team. No need to try to rip off your league mates.  It can sour owners when they can tell you're just trying to fleece them. 

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10 minutes ago, Jail said:

Aiyuk and Zeke is a great deal for you.  I also don't agree with the suggestion to extract more.  You like the offer,  and that trades a clear win for  you assuming you're a contender team. No need to try to rip off your league mates.  It can sour owners when they can tell you're just trying to fleece them. 

I don’t think the point was to fleece the other guy. It’s a good idea. He doesn’t need Harris so trading the 1.01 for the 1.03+ is a good move.

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Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

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19 hours ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

@Adso since we seem to have dissenting opinions on Zeke's value, durability and ability to play as RB1 for 2-3 years, then RB2 for 2-3 years.  What do you think about an offer I've received.

Get: Ezekiel Elliott, Brandon Aiyuk or Jaelen Reagor (pick either of the WRs)

Give: 1.07, 1.12, Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake

Please anyone weigh in.  I think it's a great trade for me to make, as I already have Antonio Gibson, CMC and still the first pick in the upcoming rookie draft (Najee Harris).  Curious what everyone's take is.  The owner will have 3rd pick, 7th pick and 12th pick.

Zeke, Aiyuk

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

For me:

Jeudy (WR1/2 upside)

---tier break---

Sutton/Chark (WR2 upside)

---tier break---

Claypool/Waddle/Bateman (WR2/3 upside)

---tier break---

Gallup (WR3 upside)

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Claypool - showed so much last year; feels like he could be top tier soon

Waddle - love his talent, landing spot a little blah, but I think he’ll shine

Chark - I’ll buy into him - new offense should be fun and someone is going to be a stud there 

Sutton/Jeudy - would move up with Rodgers. Hard to really know who the alpha is just yet

Bateman - just can’t get past his landing spot

Gallup - the only spot I’m really sure of - doesn’t seem like he belongs on this list

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

 

Jeudy

Claypool

Sutton

Waddle

Chark

Gallup

Bateman

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2 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

For me it is Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Bateman, Chark, Gallup.

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2 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

I have it,   Sutton, Chark, Claypool, Waddle , Bateman, Jeudy, Gallup.   

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On 5/24/2021 at 3:24 PM, BigAl21 said:

People seeing Pitts traded at all post rookie drafts. Would Pitts owners move him for Kelce or Kittle Straight up?

I moved one share of him after having drafted him but it was still during the draft. I took him at 1.07 in the SF FFPC rookie draft and then moved him, along with the 3.08 and a 2022 3rd, for Andrews, a 2022 1st, and 2.12 OTC where I took Hubbard to cuff my CMC. I also have Waller on that team. 

No I wouldn't move him for Kittle. Kelce is something I'd have to really think about.

2 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Claypool
Chark/Waddle/Jeudy
Sutton
Bateman/Gallup

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3 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Waddle, Gallup, Bateman 

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3 hours ago, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Put my 2 cents in

  1. Waddle. I think he has the most upside
  2. juedy. I think less talent than Waddle coming out
  3. Sutton. How will injury affect
  4. Bateman. He would be higher if not in Baltimore
  5. Claypool.  His numbers really decreased as season went along and league caught up. #3 WR on team right now.
  6. Chark. An okay talent overall
  7. Gallup. Will be nothing better than #2 WR in career
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On 5/29/2021 at 10:17 AM, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Have not looked at other responses yet, so I might duplicate somebody else's perspective:

WR1 = Jeudy (get him a good QB and he will thrive)

WR2 = Sutton & Chark - both offer good value and skill at routes / good hands

WR2-3 = Waddle & Claypool - both have questions, issues, but offer high ceilings

WR4 = Gallup & Bateman - NYG & Balt offenses are not focused on Passing schemes or WR skill (too few touches)

 

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On 5/29/2021 at 10:17 AM, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Waddle, Gallup, Bateman maybe? 

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1. Jeudy, but purely on speculative potential - he's a prospect I'd be willing to gamble on, and take my lumps if I was wrong. Ceiling, IMHO, is pure #1 Alpha. Due to QB play, we're not seeing a clear picture of what he's capable of.

2. Sutton, as I respect the body of work, and believe in modern sports medicine. The Sutton will rise again! Shown he can be an Alpha, so the benchmark has been established. With strong QB play, Sutton/Jeudy could vie with any tandem in the League. Throw Hamler and Patrick into a 4-wide mix, and how do you defend that?

3. Bateman, I'm a 'talent trumps opportunity every time' (see Jeudy and Sutton above). Buy low and hold. Alpha potential with the right QB/system.

4. Chark, more of the same - body of work, situation can only improve. I don't think pure Alpha, but 1B ceiling is very fair.

5. Claypool, fade may be due to hitting 'Rookie Wall', can't deny production, but same production may be due to overall strength of supporting cast. My jury is very out on him at this time. Not sure he's the type who can 'create his own shot' with less support around him.

6. Waddle, on potential, because that's all we have to work with at this time, but not every 5'10" 182 guy is Tyreek Hill, and I'd have to see a lot of + to move him past 1-4

7. Gallup, body of work, but lower ceiling than Chark, pure #2, at best, but that has value in and of itself, in the right system, and he's in that system as of now. Could have a better career than Claypool and Waddle, but that will depend more on them, than him. Will always be cheap. If something happens to either Cooper/Lamb in 2021, LTFO. Do you have the Roster space (20+) to hold and see?

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On 5/29/2021 at 10:17 AM, Zyphros said:

Rank these WR's:

Gallup, Waddle, Claypool, Sutton, Jeudy, Chark, Bateman

I have clear favorites of this group, but I've seen some wildly high on the others. Curious what everyone else thinks. 

Additionally where would Dionate Johnson and JUJU fit within this list.

Sutton, D. Johnson

Jeudy, JuJu, Claypool

Chark, Waddle

Bateman, Gallup

What does everyone think about those other two Pitts. WRs

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