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NFL viewership off 11% YOY (3 Viewers)
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I don't have kids, but Sunday's are pretty much my only day to get certain things done. For years, I was chained to the TV on Sunday's watching football, but I find Sunday's more enjoyable now that I don't watch football much anymore. Sunday Ticket kind of ruined me. I used to set up the living room with 3 TV's showing different games. Once I stopped paying for that, watching one or two games at a time on CBS/FOX became miserable. It's really so much time watching TV without watching any football.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I personally love baseball, but I get the feeling they may be in real trouble at some point. And I'm not sure what they can do. Maybe some things that can help, but the very nature of the game doesn't seem to be a great fit with today's viewing audience.
I expect it might continue towards more a niche sport status, which is fine. It's got a great streaming product, and it's still a great live experience. MLB may not grip the nation's attention, but a day/night at the ballpark is still pretty awesome.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Some where in this thread there was some chatter about participation rates for youth sports. The National Federation of State High School Associations has released the data from 2017/2018
Lots of stuff to dig through but here are some highlights
* Football remains the largest participant sport
* Football has had the biggest drops in participants for two straight years. This year was not as big a drop as the previous years though
* Soccer had the largest growth in participants (for boys). This is interesting due to the fact that many kids playing club soccer are not allowed to play high school soccer.
* For the second year running, the girls sport with the largest growth is competitive cheer-leading.
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/high-school-sports-participation-increases-for-29th-consecutive-year/
Lots of stuff to dig through but here are some highlights
* Football remains the largest participant sport
* Football has had the biggest drops in participants for two straight years. This year was not as big a drop as the previous years though
* Soccer had the largest growth in participants (for boys). This is interesting due to the fact that many kids playing club soccer are not allowed to play high school soccer.
* For the second year running, the girls sport with the largest growth is competitive cheer-leading.
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/high-school-sports-participation-increases-for-29th-consecutive-year/
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culdeus
Footballguy
I mean you could spin this to say there are 4 fewer participants in 11v11 football per high school vs 2016.
But even with that the demise of 11v11 is maybe exaggerate d a bit.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
What does the above bold mean?
Here is some data from the article on 11v11. Looks to be ~48,000 less participants from two years ago.
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*Despite remaining the top participatory sport for boys, 11-player football dropped for the second consecutive year.
*The decline in numbers, however, was not as high as 2016
*In 2017, participation in 11-player football was 1,036,842, a two-percent decline of 20,565 from the previous year.
*The decline from 2015 to 2016 was 27,865, or 2.5 percent.
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culdeus
Footballguy
If you look at it on a per school basis there are 4 fewer kids playing 11v11 across every high school, since prior to 2016 (I guess 2015 then depending on how you count it).
This is really somewhat compounded with the fact that it's not a straight decline across all sports, in fact quite the opposite implying that nationwide the market share is really collapsing more than the straight participation figures.
That number seems a little more shock value than a % decline. Given how the media likes to cherry pick the most eye popping stat, that is how I would have phrased it.
Still, that number seems a lot lower than I would have thought. If you ask around people talk like high school football is on the way to RIP.
Scoring is up and ratings are going up...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/media/nfl-ratings-offense/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/media/nfl-ratings-offense/index.html
shadyridr
Footballguy
Is it the scoring? or could it be that I haven't heard a single peep about players kneeling since the summer and more people are coming back?
culdeus
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
I think a lot more people stopped watching the NFL because of the kneeling issue than many people would like to admit. I personally know a lot of people who did so and returned this year but I do live in a very pro Trump borough of NYC.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It was a very good year for the NFL in terms of marketability. First, the parity was almost surreal. A solid 2/3rds of the league had reason to consider itself a contender at some point in the season. The frigging Redskins were 6-3 with a 1.5 game lead in the division in mid-November, for chrissakes.
Second, this was the first season in memory that featured elite, fun-to-watch QB talent under the age of 30. Probably the first one since Aaron Rodgers was under 30, honestly. Last year Carson Wentz was the most exciting young QB in the league, and no offense to Wentz but he ain't exactly Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, DeShaun Watson or even Baker Mayfield. At best he's North Dakota Jared Goff.
culdeus
Footballguy
Having KC in the mix helps. Their fanbase is really broad and strong. I mean I can't remember the last time that team was truly relevant.
Also, and I've always thought there was some truth to this, if you can keep the confederate teams out of the mix (Jax, Mia, Car, Atl, TB) the interest level from the rest of the US has more upside. That part of the world just cares more about NCAA and there is limited hype they can have for the NFL over what they would normally give as a baseline.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I can't speak to the nuances of different fan bases, but Mahomes was the first NFL player in ages who has gotten me to watch regular season non-Red Zone NFL action that doesn't involve my own team.
saintfool
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RUSF18
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
I'd say it was more of a "Trump thing" then a knelling thing..
My Father in-law, who is a full fledged Trump Supporter, stopped watching last year when Trump made his statement.. The week after Trump made his statement he asked me "You are still watching games?" ..
I asked two simple questions.. "Did you watch last year?" and ... "Were you watching this year until Trumps statement?" .. and got a
response..Then he went off on a small rant about how disrespectful the knelling was and he would Never watch another game until the NFL banned it...
He still won't admit he watches games, but at family gatherings he sure knows what happened in the previous weeks Packer game.. hmmmmm
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shadyridr
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
The two are pretty much connected at this point, no?I'd say it was more of a "Trump thing" then a knelling thing..
My Father in-law, who is a full fledged Trump Supporter, stopped watching last year when Trump made his statement.. The week after Trump made his statement he asked me "You are still watching games?" ..
I asked two simple questions.. "Did you watch last year?" and ... "Were you watching this year until Trumps statement?" .. and got a
Then he went off on a small rant about how disrespectful the knelling was and he would Never watch another game until the NFL banned it...
He still won't admit he watches games, but at family gatherings he sure knows what happened in the previous weeks Packer game.. hmmmmm
GregR
Footballguy
You're 5-10 years too early. This is the return of people who thought football couldn't exist if you didn't let receivers get blown up in the head.
snogger
Footballguy
The two are pretty much connected at this point, no?I'd say it was more of a "Trump thing" then a knelling thing..
My Father in-law, who is a full fledged Trump Supporter, stopped watching last year when Trump made his statement.. The week after Trump made his statement he asked me "You are still watching games?" ..
I asked two simple questions.. "Did you watch last year?" and ... "Were you watching this year until Trumps statement?" .. and got a
Then he went off on a small rant about how disrespectful the knelling was and he would Never watch another game until the NFL banned it...
He still won't admit he watches games, but at family gatherings he sure knows what happened in the previous weeks Packer game.. hmmmmm
Now they are..My point to my Father in-law and my post was... Kaepernick's first protest was August of 2016.. Many, including my Father in-law, continued to watch NFL Games through all of 2016 and the beginning of the 2017 season..
Then Trump made his statement late September 2017 of "Fire anyone that protests, and don't watch the games until they do so" and people like my Father in-law all of a sudden were up in arms over the issue, refused to watch the games and thought others that did watch were wrong to do so.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I wonder if they are back to watching in VFW halls. I'd heard they quit and were instead watching The Hallmark Channel.
culdeus
Footballguy
Excited about losing 95% of their revenue? 99%? Streaming brings in money to twitch streamers and camgirls with vibrators that are tuned to tips, not pro sports teams.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
saintfool
Dead sexy
From BizJournal in November:
Networks will continue to pay what they have. It's the viability and maturation of the digital market that has greater value to them. They hold the cards especially with Amazon and now Roku offering subscription services to premium channels.
GregR
Footballguy
Good point Blockbuster. Er, I mean, culdeus.culdeus said:
The streaming rights are still far less than TV rights, sure. Fox is paying about $55m per TNF game over five years, while Amazon is paying like $6m per game over two years. But that $6m is 30% higher than what Amazon paid for it last season. If streaming sustains that kind of growth and other streaming platforms get involved in the bidding, could be a pretty sizable chunk of change.
Even if TV networks are not willing to pay as much down the road they could come out ahead. And given how the NFL grew this year even though I imagine (without checking) that TV viewership probably continued to decline, the NFL may be even more important to TV networks as a mechanism for selling their shows.
Not to mention those networks are starting up their own streaming services which could up things further.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Did you see Bezos in the box with Goodell? Thought that was interesting. They probably helped the poor afterwards.
snogger
Footballguy
I watched but didn't have the excitement I normally have going in..Jobber said:
Throughout the Playoffs I wanted a KC vs. NO Super Bowl as I felt that would be the most exciting match-up..
Disliked how the Rams got in..
Although in 15 years we are going to look back at the run Brady and Belichick have had and
.... at this point I've had enough..
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
An ultra low scoring game and Maroon5 to look forward to at halftime? How in the world could anyone not continue to watch?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Not surprising. The two best teams in the league were knocked out in the conference championship games.Jobber said:
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I am surprised that the NFL did not make rule changes during halftime to make scoring even easier.
I am kind of glad the Pats won with old fashioned defense and running. I like scoring when there is a balance but when every rule change favors the offense, you get Arena Football and I don't find constant scoring that fun to watch. I know the casual viewers love it though and that is in the end who they cater too.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I would have thought the large L.A. market would have helped the ratings more.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I heard this morning that the LA market had the second lowest Nielsen rating of any market with a team in the Superbowl. But, but, but, St. Louis can't support an NFL team the way LA can.
ChiefD
Footballguy
The NFL is pooping down their own neck. They have managed to turn a product that everyone wanted into something that people are starting to despise.I heard this morning that the LA market had the second lowest Nielsen rating of any market with a team in the Superbowl. But, but, but, St. Louis can't support an NFL team the way LA can.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Yep. I didn't watch the Superbowl for the first time in about 30 years. Still haven't seen a highlight or a commercial (although, I might go check out the commercials on YouTube). They pretty much alienate three markets (SD, Oakland and StL) cram two teams into LA, a city that can't support one team, and at the same time diminish the product on the field with the way penalties are called and reviews are performed. They keep trying to increase scoring to offset but that is increasing the crazy calls (particularly when hitting QB's). I am now craving college football on a weekly basis and I don't have any players going in my FFB league which added to the interest in the NFL.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Sounds just like me. Fist time that I too didn't watch at least some of the SB in 30 years. I haven't seen any highlights or even listened to ant newscasts concerning the game. The NFL is fading from my life and the SB matchup was the least interesting that I can remember. It was easy to skip watching two boring teams.
Capella
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
16.5M in 2016 to 15.9 last year. And that’s tv. Streaming is up 830% and the league is going to hit 25 billion in revenue this year. If you think the league is struggling then I really don’t know what to tell you. That’s just not based in reality.
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facook
Footballguy
NFL can’t do NO TV timeouts due to Derek Carr’s salary but maybe there can be a middle ground.
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