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I still can't believe the guy from Swingers has made my favorite Christmas movie....develop/built my 2d favorite movie franchise.... and saved my favorite franchise... Favreau is so money and he

Also the Lady Expendables were awesome. Because they were just awesome. They didn't tell us they were awesome. They didn't have other people go "wow look how awesome they are". They were all individua

Mark Hamill @HamillHimself The fact that we were able to keep my involvement a secret for over a year with no leaks is nothing less than a miracle. A real triumph for spoiler-haters everywhe

3 hours ago, WDIK2 said:

 

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Bill Burr? 

:lmao:  Nothing against his casting or performance, it just cracked me up when I first saw him.  l/spoiler]

I thought that was the guy who played the pimp in Risky Business at first until realizing he would be like 70 now. :bag:

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14 hours ago, Arodin said:

This one-liner almost slipped past unnoticed by me, and didn’t get enough love in the thread to follow.

Brilliant, sir.  I salute you.

Wish I could take credit, but I totally stole this from the internet.

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2 hours ago, WDIK2 said:

I thought this was the best episode so far.

+1

I didn't realize that Clancy Brown played Blurg.  Dude's been all over the place lately.  Good for him,.  "There can be only one!"

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Pretty good episode. I like the plot of it. Starting to get old that Mando is being dumb with all these shady people though. 

Use my ship? Ok I guess. Find out I have a baby Yoda? Ok I guess. Let a Droid play my messages and have access to my whole ship? Ok I guess. Get kicked into a cell after rescuing the target? Ok I guess. 

Glad he kicked their asses at the end but it was stretching a bit that he allowed all of that to happen. 

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12 hours ago, Insein said:

Pretty good episode. I like the plot of it. Starting to get old that Mando is being dumb with all these shady people though. 

Use my ship? Ok I guess. Find out I have a baby Yoda? Ok I guess. Let a Droid play my messages and have access to my whole ship? Ok I guess. Get kicked into a cell after rescuing the target? Ok I guess. 

Glad he kicked their asses at the end but it was stretching a bit that he allowed all of that to happen. 

He would be so dead already without that armor. 

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53 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

My wife and daughter have our Amazon cart full of baby yoda merchandise and not a single one is available until May.

I assume they wanted to hold the secret for so long that they did not give any information to the manufactures until baby yoda showed up on screen.

Yes that's it. It's not that they totally underestimated the popularity of the show and baby Yoda and suddenly were left scrambling to make as many as possible as quickly as possible. Lord knows they don't want to capitalize on the popularity of a current show in time for the holidays. They'd rather wait 6 months to get it out there when they don't have new episodes for another 3-4 months after that. 

A long sarcastic way of saying they dun ####ed it up. 

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3 minutes ago, Insein said:

Yes that's it. It's not that they totally underestimated the popularity of the show and baby Yoda and suddenly were left scrambling to make as many as possible as quickly as possible. Lord knows they don't want to capitalize on the popularity of a current show in time for the holidays. They'd rather wait 6 months to get it out there when they don't have new episodes for another 3-4 months after that. 

A long sarcastic way of saying they dun ####ed it up. 

here is what Favreau said about it (obviously you don't believe him, but it makes some sense to me).

"I think that part of what people really value is to be surprised and delighted, and I think that's becoming all too rare. It's very difficult to keep secrets about projects you're working on," Favreau told The Hollywood Reporter. "By holding back on that one product, we knew that we may have had the disadvantage of not having toys available day and date, but what we got in exchange was an excitement surrounding the character, because everybody felt like they discovered him together. That emulated more what my experience growing up was like."

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6 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

here is what Favreau said about it (obviously you don't believe him, but it makes some sense to me).

"I think that part of what people really value is to be surprised and delighted, and I think that's becoming all too rare. It's very difficult to keep secrets about projects you're working on," Favreau told The Hollywood Reporter. "By holding back on that one product, we knew that we may have had the disadvantage of not having toys available day and date, but what we got in exchange was an excitement surrounding the character, because everybody felt like they discovered him together. That emulated more what my experience growing up was like."

Completely disagree that Disney would hold back on a Star Wars toy that could sell for the holidays when they've been taking a huge hit in that market since 2017. They would sell their own children to make money on Star Wars toys again. 

Besides we've basically had the whole movie leaked at this point, what do they care if a couple people saw a baby Yoda doll with no context from a show on their streaming service?

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16 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

here is what Favreau said about it (obviously you don't believe him, but it makes some sense to me).

"I think that part of what people really value is to be surprised and delighted, and I think that's becoming all too rare. It's very difficult to keep secrets about projects you're working on," Favreau told The Hollywood Reporter. "By holding back on that one product, we knew that we may have had the disadvantage of not having toys available day and date, but what we got in exchange was an excitement surrounding the character, because everybody felt like they discovered him together. That emulated more what my experience growing up was like."

Also found this from a toy manufacturer.

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Indeed, Ricahrd Gottlieb, CEO of Global Toy Group, says that distributors debut prototypes of toys at showcases around 15 months before a targeted Christmas season. For Baby Yoda merch to have been available after The Mandalorian debuted, prototypes would have needed to be out there for the world to see as early as October 2018.

“Chances are that someone would have seen it in their showroom and word would have gotten out,” explains Gottlieb. “There’d be no way to keep it quiet.”

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8 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

 

Also found this from a toy manufacturer.

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Indeed, Ricahrd Gottlieb, CEO of Global Toy Group, says that distributors debut prototypes of toys at showcases around 15 months before a targeted Christmas season. For Baby Yoda merch to have been available after The Mandalorian debuted, prototypes would have needed to be out there for the world to see as early as October 2018.

“Chances are that someone would have seen it in their showroom and word would have gotten out,” explains Gottlieb. “There’d be no way to keep it quiet.”

Great cover up to assuage shareholders to try to save face for their incompetence. What incentive do they have to keep baby Yoda a secret for their newly launched streaming service that they want people to subscribe too? Why would they also forfeit money during Christmas season when the Star Wars toy line is basically a black hole the past 2 years?

I don't buy it at all.  When has Disney (or any corporation really) said "no thanks, we'll wait another 6 months to make money merchandising a show that may or may not still be popular by then."

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6 minutes ago, Insein said:

Great cover up to assuage shareholders to try to save face for their incompetence. What incentive do they have to keep baby Yoda a secret for their newly launched streaming service that they want people to subscribe too? Why would they also forfeit money during Christmas season when the Star Wars toy line is basically a black hole the past 2 years?

I don't buy it at all.  When has Disney (or any corporation really) said "no thanks, we'll wait another 6 months to make money merchandising a show that may or may not still be popular by then."

I would guess the buzz of baby Yoda all at once to drive subscriptions is much more valuable in the long run than selling the toys short term. 

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9 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

I would guess the buzz of baby Yoda all at once to drive subscriptions is much more valuable in the long run than selling the toys short term. 

Why not both? How many people are really going to see a product show release and think anything of it and then weeks later it's on the show. Then boom product is ready for the holidays and you sell millions of units at the height of popularity. Now your banking on people waiting until May and still caring about Baby Yoda. If they can get new episodes out by May then maybe. Don't see that happening though.

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15 hours ago, Insein said:

Great cover up to assuage shareholders to try to save face for their incompetence. What incentive do they have to keep baby Yoda a secret for their newly launched streaming service that they want people to subscribe too? Why would they also forfeit money during Christmas season when the Star Wars toy line is basically a black hole the past 2 years?

I don't buy it at all.  When has Disney (or any corporation really) said "no thanks, we'll wait another 6 months to make money merchandising a show that may or may not still be popular by then."

Ummmmm.... Isnt this basically the best argument in favor of "they really wanted to keep it a secret"??? 

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Just started this last night and haven’t read this thread at all in case it actually develops a plot. So far it’s like a video game. Accept a bounty mission, collect crafting materials as a reward for completing the bounty, then travel to an NPC who upgrades your gear in exchange for the crafting materials while trying to skip through the dialogue as fast as possible. Oh no!  Your Fast Travel station has been disabled, travel to the Mysterious Cavern to collect the egg to re-enable fast travel. I’ve played JRPGs that make more sense. 

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Just now, Insein said:

Why?

I mean they made toys for hunchback, atlantis, etc. I mean they make toys for some of the rides that aren't even that popular. 

It is pretty much what they do. So the fact that they didn't have a slew of toys ready and they are saying that they tried to keep it under wraps, seems to make sense. 

The alternative is that they went against what they have always done and it was an ooopsie. 

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6 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

I mean they made toys for hunchback, atlantis, etc. I mean they make toys for some of the rides that aren't even that popular. 

It is pretty much what they do. So the fact that they didn't have a slew of toys ready and they are saying that they tried to keep it under wraps, seems to make sense. 

The alternative is that they went against what they have always done and it was an ooopsie. 

Yes. That's what I'm saying. 

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Just now, Insein said:

Yes. That's what I'm saying. 

I know that's what you are saying. 

I am pointing out it seems like a weird thing to say and to support it by saying that they love to make merchandise and all companies do too so they must have forgot??? 

A better argument to why they don't have merchandise available is because they didn't want to release all of the merchandise at one time and make people choose between two of the same properties' merchandise.

If they hold off on the mandalorian merchandise they could create pent up demand and sell more from both. 

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3 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

I know that's what you are saying. 

I am pointing out it seems like a weird thing to say and to support it by saying that they love to make merchandise and all companies do too so they must have forgot??? 

A better argument to why they don't have merchandise available is because they didn't want to release all of the merchandise at one time and make people choose between two of the same properties' merchandise.

If they hold off on the mandalorian merchandise they could create pent up demand and sell more from both. 

My main point is that the leaders of Lucasfilms are incompetent. This seems to support that. 

They want to make as much money in a short amount of time as possible. However, they didn't foresee the possibility of monetizing the Mandalorian until after it was a success. You don't think they'd like to pad their 2019 sales with millions of baby Yoda's to fill in for the lack of toy sales they have for the new movies?

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13 minutes ago, Insein said:

My main point is that the leaders of Lucasfilms are incompetent. This seems to support that. 

They want to make as much money in a short amount of time as possible. However, they didn't foresee the possibility of monetizing the Mandalorian until after it was a success. You don't think they'd like to pad their 2019 sales with millions of baby Yoda's to fill in for the lack of toy sales they have for the new movies?

You think that they made the mandalorian the flagship of their new streaming service and thought it wouldnt be successful? 

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Disney knew exactly what they had in Baby Yoda IMO. 

Favreau fought tooth and nail to hide him from the public and to convince Disney not to release info to the toy manufacturers.  Any one who came on set was sworn to total secrecy.  

Anyone who has followed Favreau's career knows that he is one of the straightest shooters in Hollywood.  I am taking him at face value here.

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1 minute ago, parasaurolophus said:

You think that they made the mandalorian the flagship of their new streaming service and thought it wouldnt be successful? 

he hates much of the newer Star Wars stuff in general so his schtick is to believe that every one is dumb and stupid at Disney to support his opinions. 

It gets kind of old hearing people call other people stupid who have clearly achieved quite a bit in the industry but that is where are in fandom today.  It is pretty sad.

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I’m only surprised at the length of time it takes to get a toy on the shelves. 15 months seems excessive even when factoring in design, safety testing, manufacturing, advertising and distribution. It seems like you could fast track a plush toy and get it out within a month or two to take advantage of the market.

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13 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

You think that they made the mandalorian the flagship of their new streaming service and thought it wouldnt be successful? 

Either they bank on it being a success but don't have any plans on merchandising it right away to capitalize on the popularity or they hoped it was going to be a success but held off for fear of wasting more money on toys that won't sell. 

I don't buy that they allowed Favreau that much control over them making potential money just to keep a "spoiler" no one knew about or expected.  That's the cover story. 

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13 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

he hates much of the newer Star Wars stuff in general so his schtick is to believe that every one is dumb and stupid at Disney to support his opinions. 

It gets kind of old hearing people call other people stupid who have clearly achieved quite a bit in the industry but that is where are in fandom today.  It is pretty sad.

:rolleyes:

 

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43 minutes ago, Insein said:

My main point is that the leaders of Lucasfilms are incompetent. This seems to support that. 

They want to make as much money in a short amount of time as possible. However, they didn't foresee the possibility of monetizing the Mandalorian until after it was a success. You don't think they'd like to pad their 2019 sales with millions of baby Yoda's to fill in for the lack of toy sales they have for the new movies?

There’s a lot of SW stuff that has arguably been mismanaged by Disney, but I don’t believe it is even a little bit plausible that they just failed foresee that baby Yoda would move a lot of merchandise.  Whether the surprise was worth the lost merchandising revenue is another question, but there’s no question it was one that was considered. 

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3 minutes ago, Insein said:

Either they bank on it being a success but don't have any plans on merchandising it right away to capitalize on the popularity or they hoped it was going to be a success but held off for fear of wasting more money on toys that won't sell. 

I don't buy that they allowed Favreau that much control over them making potential money just to keep a "spoiler" no one knew about or expected.  That's the cover story. 

You can buy toys for the nightmare before xmas. Today. They have some stuff at the parks for sale that you just scratch your head. 

There is no way they made a choice to not make toys for this thing because they were afraid it wouldnt do well or that they wouldnt sell when they have an endless supply of junk they put out that flops miserably. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Big League Chew said:

2 more episodes. guessing before the season ends baby yoda does something awesome and the guys feet we saw in the dessert episode is revealed

I'm guessing he's actually a "dark side" Yoda, kills a bunch of innocent babies and children and is revealed as actually very racist. Therefore no one will want to buy the toy. The Mandolorian kills him and every starts calling him Baby Adolph.

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6 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

I'm guessing he's actually a "dark side" Yoda, kills a bunch of innocent babies and children and is revealed as actually very racist. Therefore no one will want to buy the toy. The Mandolorian kills him and every starts calling him Baby Adolph.

Most logical post I have seen in this thread 

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25 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

You can buy toys for the nightmare before xmas. Today. They have some stuff at the parks for sale that you just scratch your head. 

There is no way they made a choice to not make toys for this thing because they were afraid it wouldnt do well or that they wouldnt sell when they have an endless supply of junk they put out that flops miserably. 

 

We're saying the same thing but for different reasons. 

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22 minutes ago, Walking Boot said:

I'm guessing he's actually a "dark side" Yoda, kills a bunch of innocent babies and children and is revealed as actually very racist. Therefore no one will want to buy the toy. The Mandolorian kills him and every starts calling him Baby Adolph.

hope they can fit all that into the next two episodes without rushing it :popcorn:

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3 hours ago, Insein said:

My main point is that the leaders of Lucasfilms are incompetent. This seems to support that. 

They want to make as much money in a short amount of time as possible. However, they didn't foresee the possibility of monetizing the Mandalorian until after it was a success. You don't think they'd like to pad their 2019 sales with millions of baby Yoda's to fill in for the lack of toy sales they have for the new movies?

Disney bought lucas films for 4 billion dollars, I would love to be so incompetent that my company gets bought out for 4 billion dollars. Since then Disney star wars movies have grossed over 4.8 billion dollars at the box office and this one will put them over the top so please explain to me this incompetent part again. On second thought, please don't.

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1 minute ago, CGRdrJoe said:

Disney bought lucas films for 4 billion dollars, I would love to be so incompetent that my company gets bought out for 4 billion dollars. Since then Disney star wars movies have grossed over 4.8 billion dollars at the box office and this one will put them over the top so please explain to me this incompetent part again. On second thought, please don't.

Yes you don't want me to get into it here. Basically they have cost themselves billions in how they mismanaged the IP.

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16 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

At least 3 people in this thread

the point i was sarcastically trying to make is why would anyone give two cents about whether a company worth $266 Billion makes a few more million off a toy they may or may not have forgotten to get produced in some #### hole country by virtual slave people just in time for the holidays.

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16 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

Anybody want to take a crack at ranking the episodes thus far?

Best to worst 

  1. Chapter 6: The Prisoner 
  2. Chapter 3: The Sin
  3. Chapter 2: The Child 
  4. Chapter 1
  5. Chapter 5: The Gunslinger 
  6. Chapter 4: Sanctuary 
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4 hours ago, sports_fan said:

Best to worst 

  1. Chapter 6: The Prisoner 
  2. Chapter 3: The Sin
  3. Chapter 2: The Child 
  4. Chapter 1
  5. Chapter 5: The Gunslinger 
  6. Chapter 4: Sanctuary 

This works for me.  Might have 1 a bit higher as it was a good strong start but legit order.  

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