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2020: The Race For the White House - The Good Place (7 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
And had that happened to Bernie...there would be complaining how it was all rigged against him. But since its Pete...he had to be crying, right?
NorvilleBarnes
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Max Power
Footballguy
The article Joffer linked had links within to the sos register and Iowa 2018 Census (the most recent) and the numbers JW used looked to be accurate/close for the couple counties I looked at.
The article does mention things that I think JW failed to consider though. I had not thought about the college aspect. Can out of state non-resident students vote in the Iowa caucus?
mcintyre1
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Yep, I did. The local GOP tried very hard to disenfranchise all of us when the actual elections came up (liberal college), but they were always shut down by the courts. The way I saw it I was spending about 75% of my time during college in Iowa, was paying state income taxes, sales taxes, was registered to vote there and used my dorm address as my primary residence and address. Why shouldn't I get to vote there?
timschochet
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They don’t hate him.
They think that his nomination means 4 more years of Trump. THATS what they hate.
rockaction
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Notice that I didn't say what the object of the hate was, because I have no idea what Sanders did to deserve that. Well, other than not even being a member of the party, I guess. But isn't MSNBC all about leaning forward?
timschochet
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timschochet
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Those numbers for Biden are shocking based on other polls. If they hold he is in huge trouble.
I sure hope Biden’s numbers aren’t down because of the Hunter thing. That would mean that Trump cheated, didn’t get punished, and it worked beyond his wildest dreams. What a terrible result that would be for our political system.
rockaction
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Dude, Biden's numbers are down because as people have been telling you, he's a terrible candidate and the Democratic Party has lurched leftward. There's no doubt.
timschochet
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538 does Project Biden with the best chance of winning. And people being inteviewed going into the polls seem to back this up.
If Biden can pull out a firm victory here that would be excellent news for the Democratic Party IMO- and very bad news for Trump.
If Biden can pull out a firm victory here that would be excellent news for the Democratic Party IMO- and very bad news for Trump.
timschochet
Footballguy
I have doubts about all of this. You could be right but you could also be very wrong. Let’s see how this goes.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
We've all been trying to tell you this for months Tim. The writings been there the whole time.
rockaction
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timschochet
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
A 4th for Biden would get Bloomberg warming up hot in the pen, especially if Bernie/Warren go 1/2.
caustic
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That’s Biden’s third consecutive 4th-place finish in the Des Moines Register poll, fwiw. The way they’re modeling turnout for this race is not very helpful for him.
IvanKaramazov
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timschochet
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Or we need to look to Bloomberg to save both the Democratic Party and the nation.
But we’re not there yet.
ShamrockPride
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Brooooo 
MSNBC just showed one of the gyms, Bernies spot was packed, and there were literally 6 people at the Biden station
MSNBC just showed one of the gyms, Bernies spot was packed, and there were literally 6 people at the Biden station
IvanKaramazov
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Or maybe Buttigieg can take over Biden's lane. But a Sanders-Warren finish is horrifying.
Zegras11
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but it hasn't happened yet.Brooooo
ShamrockPride
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Juxtatarot
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Was it at a college?Brooooo
ShamrockPride
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ren hoek
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Doubt it- most of their grievances have been due to absurd media coverage and treatment by the party. Buttigieg has been treated with kid gloves by comparison.
Either way, I’d still want to see the poll results. Sounds like the withholding of the result was based on the complaint of a single respondent.
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NorvilleBarnes
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This is such an interesting view. You don't put any of the blame on mis-handling the poll? I'd imagine if ANY candidate were left off, that campaign would "complain".
AAABatteries
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This is pretty simple to me. People no longer believe that politicians will do the right thing and help the little people. They've been burned for far too long. There's been one candidate that has consistently talked about making sure the 1% don't #### over the rest of us. It isn't horrifying - what's happened for decades is horrifying. Having homeless vets and people without healthcare is horrifying. Having some ridiculously small number of people having more money than 99+% of the rest of the people is horrifying.
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AAABatteries
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And look, I get the concerns people have over Bernie but to pretend like the concerns folks have over the others candidates not doing a damn thing for them is worse. IMO.
MAC_32
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This is not wrong. I'm just skeptical that there are enough actual swing voters in the half dozen or so states that matter.
AAABatteries
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I think there is if he can somehow convince them to vote. I have no clue whether he will be able to.
skol asylum
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I wish Pete and Amy would.join forces.
krista4
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ren hoek
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ren hoek
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https://twitter.com/ChickHearnBern/status/1224446928278020102
Wow this guy told the truth on MSNBC, I'm surprised former Bush Comms Director Nicole Wallace didn't cut him off, establishment in absolute desperation freakout mode
Wow this guy told the truth on MSNBC, I'm surprised former Bush Comms Director Nicole Wallace didn't cut him off, establishment in absolute desperation freakout mode
mrip541
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Outlook not so good: https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx
The percentage of voters who think he deserves re-election is up NINE percent to 50%.
The percentage of voters who think he deserves re-election is up NINE percent to 50%.
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Not only Trump but the entire GOP. Even with the entertainment industry and MSM in their pocket the Dems still can't get out of their own way.
Now, 51% of Americans view the Republican Party favorably, up from 43% in September. It is the first time GOP favorability has exceeded 50% since 2005.
Meanwhile, 45% of Americans have a positive opinion of the Democratic Party, a slight dip from 48% in September.
Pete needs a Kamala Harris or Cory Booker. Maybe even Abrams from Georgia. Pete has almost zero support from African-Americans. He has not been able to overcome that and having a black running mate would be his only chance in the general. Might even be his only chance in the primaries, so he'd need to partner-up early.cap'n grunge said:
whoknew
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Spent the last couple of days in Des Moines. Came away VERY concerned about the Biden campaign. I don't know if he didn't put any effort into Iowa or what, but we didn't see a single person working for or supporting Biden (except for at his party).
As you could probably tell on tv, his speech was terrible. He was reading it off a piece of paper, not making eye contact and had very little energy. When he was done, we walked over to Pete's speech and it was a HUGE difference. Pete was terrific and the crowd was energized. Like night and day from Uncle Joe.
As you could probably tell on tv, his speech was terrible. He was reading it off a piece of paper, not making eye contact and had very little energy. When he was done, we walked over to Pete's speech and it was a HUGE difference. Pete was terrific and the crowd was energized. Like night and day from Uncle Joe.
wikkidpissah
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but he had several black ladies standing behind him as he claimed his Pyrrhic victory last nite! what ever will be enough?!?!
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He got that trick from Donald himself. Trump always pays some black and latino people to sit directly behind him at his rallies so it appears to be diverse. Mayor Pete learning from the best.
The Big Donkey
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roadkill1292
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There's a Nixon precedent in there. The difference is that the Republicans in Congress in 1972 didn't condone the cheating. Lo, how things have changed.
wikkidpissah
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
It's sad (right now) because it's true. For myself, I find it somewhat more accurate to think that the U.S. elects the politicians that truly do represent us, and not just in terms of policy.
roadkill1292
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I have since learned that this is a version of a previous reform plan known as the "Delaware Plan" and was proposed by the Rules Committee of the Republican National Committee back in 2000.roadkill1292 said:
Imagine that, the GOP was interested in improving elections as recently as 20 years ago.
I also continue to be disappointed in the Democrats for their tardiness in supporting significant election reform and I've decide to blame their failure to support the FRA as fear of third party encroachment into Congress.
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