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I agree
Agreed, but speak out more for the people who are affected by the shutdown. They should take the lead on this ask Trump to meet with them each day, pass a new bill each day, keep the pressure on Trump.
You don't pass bills each day...doesn't really work that way.
I wonder about this, the shutdown probably has cost more in economic loss to our economy then the cost of the dumb wall.
And throw tantrums after having a deal (by all reports and appearances) .
Yes, I love this.
100%...because he will do it again, and again and again. he's a bully and that's the way he operates....
It really surprises me how many people think this is going to happen. It’s not, because the same people who are demanding a wall are also fiercely opposed to DACA- they’ll agree to it only as part of a complete nationalist overhaul of our immigration system that sharply reduces all immigration from Latin America and ends what they call chain migration.
exactly....they want their cake and want to eat it too. That's not a negotiation.
I have no idea. I just think that the former chief of USBP qualifies as an expert.
I'm pretty sure he got told pretty early on that Mexico "will not be paying for that ####### wall."
they tried it at the mid-terms with the whole military to the border show and they got smoked.....
He does but that's the thing. He's talking about walls, fences, barriers, whatever, wherever.
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Come on, this is a terrible idea, and it has nothing to do with giving any side a "win".
I have absolutely no problem with this. He wants the wall and the Democrats won't budge on the issue. Neither side wants to talk.
it was in his first call with the president of Mexico
Yeah, Senate pubbies aren't going to lift a finger in any dispute over the next 22 months until they absolutely have to. They're gonna stay quiet, only hopping to confirm the next Kavanaugh.
538 referred this as an unpopular President using an unpopular mechanism to push an unpopular issue.
Eventually this is what happens to all coalitions of people with fundamental disagreements.
This is your "expert"?
That same expert has advocated for comprehensive immigration reform (including amnesty for many current illegals), and was accused by rank and file of not knowing anything about his job, which is part of the reason why he was fired.
butcher boy said:
Sinn Fein said:This is your "expert"?
"Mr. Morgan, a former F.B.I. agent, was appointed chief in June and took over in October. He was the first chief in the agency’s 93-year history who had never worked as a border patrol agent. He had led the internal affairs office at Customs and Border Protection before taking over the Border Patrol.
His appointment drew criticism from the National Border Patrol Council, the union for Border Patrol workers, which said an insider should have been appointed to head the agency."
He stepped down in January 2017 - so I guess October-January is pretty good experience for an expert
butcher boy said:
- Did the GOP House or Senate have him before a committee? What were their findings?
It is telling that not one of those three links includes a relevant statistic or any sort of detailed analysis. The only statistics at all come from an ICE guy so extreme he can't get confirmed even though Trump appointed him acting director two years ago saying "arrests of MS-13 [gang] this year are up 118 percent, the seizures of guns — for God’s sake — are up almost 200 percent," which has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a wall would be effective in stopping those things. Otherwise it's just a bunch of ICE/CBP enforcement types saying "walls work" as if that's somehow persuasive.butcher boy said:
Gosh imagine if someone like this with this kind of credibility was actually in the cabinet. Ohh welll...[scooter] said:
They are. The Dem Senators are even talking about boycotting all other Senate business until McConnell takes it up. They already blocked a mideast policy bill because of this.sho nuff said:
as they should....get the gov't employees back to work and get them paid....they shouldn't be used as human pawns....
he's using one of his legendary negotiating tactics which you clearly don't understand....when you have no leverage you DOUBLE DOWN
