Mister CIA
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It's a wild and crazy thought, and should an event come to pass, it's a safe bet that Justice Kavanaugh will uphold 11% of the base.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Straw Poll (1 Viewer)
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rustycolts
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Some of the posters I respect the most seem to be leaning towards one candidate. While I do not agree with a lot of their opinions I do recognize that a change is going to have to happen. I cannot in good conscience vote for Trump again. So why not look into some of the candidates people you have respect for are interested in. Thanks guys and gals.
I’ve heard the same thing about Clinton. I have a friend who shook his hand (I forget exactly under what circumstances). My friend’s dad was a local Republican political operative here and my friend shared his dad’s political views — very conservative. But he said that Clinton had an almost magical charisma in person. Instead of being intimidating, he was just charming.
Mister CIA
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ffldrew
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After pulling down a statue of General Robert E. Lee that's going to be really close to impossible. I'd like to see him run though and give his thoughts on that topic an honest airing. It certainly would encircle the racists in the Southern GOP states.
Mister CIA
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rustycolts
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Yes I am going to look into her a little more. I am not going to change voter registration though so I would not be able to support her in a primary. I don't see any republicans running against Trump. Libertarians can't get their act together. So I am hoping the Dems can run someone I can get behind. I know many of you hold Rand Paul in very low esteem but I could really get behind him as a 3rd party candidate,but that will never happen. I do believe Trump has done some good things cutting some regulations trying to help us in trade,but he is just to me a vile human being and I cannot bring myself to vote for him again. This thing with the wall is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard of it would never work a big waste of money. Now maybe he is thinking of something like the Soviet Union did,I saw that one when I was in W.Berlin not a pretty sight and not a good look for the U.S. So yes I am going to look into her I just wish there were more in the Scoop Jackson mold.
Thunderlips
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I like Biden/Beto. Flip the script on the "VP is the seasoned politician/POTUS is the Chosen One" trend that has happened for the past few cycles. Let Beto be a "fighting VP" and let it be known that when Biden is done being POTUS (either after 4 or 8) it's going to be Beto that replaces him.
Mister CIA
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Rand Paul is awful. In a heartless world, he's the most mindless.
ETA: He's wholly owned.
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ffldrew
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It's going to be next to impossible to put together a Democratic ticket without a woman on it.I like Biden/Beto. Flip the script on the "VP is the seasoned politician/POTUS is the Chosen One" trend that has happened for the past few cycles. Let Beto be a "fighting VP" and let it be known that when Biden is done being POTUS (either after 4 orit's going to be Beto that replaces him.
rustycolts
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Lol see what I mean. That is ok though like I said I respect a lot of folks on this board that I don't necessarily agree with on some things. The main thing for me is to get behind a candidate I can live with. Can mend the country and lead in a way that helps not hurts.
joffer
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I’m not buying Iowa going Kloubachar’s way. Evangelicals and farmers are still strongly behind Trump( Why I can’t comprehend) There’s nothing he can do to change that especially since he gave farmers the tariff assistance. Iowa has become a red state.
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joffer
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gianmarco
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BigJim®
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Well put. Anyone who can get 50% in Texas can/should win many states with that message. Klobuchar is by no means flamboyant, but is likable and intelligent. You'd think this ticket would take female votes in a landslide.
I think Biden/Bernie/Holder would be the least likely to lure swing voters, who sadly are somehow probably going to matter.
cosjobs
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TobiasFunke
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Meaning I bet they'll be much less support here than in early polls. He's getting a lot of support early, but I suspect it's simply because he's the most recognizable name. That's less of a factor when you're talking about people who post on a politics-oriented message board in the week after Xmas.
@Joe Bryant sorry, saw your post after writing this reply. Answer above.
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timschochet
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Here’s the thing that could put Biden over the top: if Obama endorses him.
Juxtatarot
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The surprises for me in the results are:
1. Klobuchar. I knew she'd do well but I didn't think she'd win.
2. The lack of support to those candidates on the far left. I thought Sanders would do much better and Warren currently has zero votes! I'm not sure if this means the board is closer to the center left than I thought or if the majority is being pragmatic.
1. Klobuchar. I knew she'd do well but I didn't think she'd win.
2. The lack of support to those candidates on the far left. I thought Sanders would do much better and Warren currently has zero votes! I'm not sure if this means the board is closer to the center left than I thought or if the majority is being pragmatic.
I am near Warren/Sanders on most domestic policy, but I do think foreign policy and trade will probably be a much bigger focus after the disaster that is Trump.
I think Warren is most useful in the Senate
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Just because I don’t know where else to put this ... some data re populist leaders:
https://twitter.com/yascha_mounk/status/1077997504573177858
sho nuff
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Only because I don't know the answer - how much correlation is there to "populist" and "Authoritative" leaders?
Just a quick glance at the results in that data suggests there is a high correlation - and that might make it difficult to discern what is causing the damage to democracy. Of course, it could be as simple as power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes this is likely now. Right now how many nationally know Beto or Klobuchar types ? People that follow politics, sure. But others who only follow local news won’t know as much.
the moops
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Yes, the primary. But even so - Obama carried Iowa easily over Romney in 2012 (52 - 46) and over McCain in 2008 (54 - 44).
And going back further - Kerry lost to Bush by 1/2 point, Gore beat Bush by 1/2 point, and Clinton domonated both times he was up.
So maybe it was just an Iowa hates Hilary Clinton thing
sho nuff
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I think while progressive issues are building...a progressive candidate won’t necessarily beat Trump. He will energize the base by saying socialist and communist over and over and over. And little else will matter.
I think small steps can work a bit better of the progressives will show up to vote for something more center. Because not sure the center-right that don’t may not like trump will vote for a progressive
Current mayor of South Bend, Pete Buttigieg (Boot - a - judge) will probably be making an announcement any day that he is running.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg
Short version...
- 36 year old
- Harvard Grad
- Veteran of 7 month tour in Afghanistan in 2013, remains a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve.
- Openly Gay
Edit to add - Currently 200-1 at Landbrokes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg
Short version...
- 36 year old
- Harvard Grad
- Veteran of 7 month tour in Afghanistan in 2013, remains a lieutenant in the Naval Reserve.
- Openly Gay
Edit to add - Currently 200-1 at Landbrokes.
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Jackstraw
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I'm not too sure about the Beto as VP. Generally a VP is chosen as someone who shores up perceived weaknesses as a candidate.
Beto is inspirational but not sure he has the forgeign policy or legislative chops to be seen as someone who shores up a ticket.
I'd vote Beto over generic Republican in a minute but seems like a cycle or two early for him.
Beto is inspirational but not sure he has the forgeign policy or legislative chops to be seen as someone who shores up a ticket.
I'd vote Beto over generic Republican in a minute but seems like a cycle or two early for him.
ffldrew
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Booker can emerge from the field - he's done his homework and has been working hard here in the South in all of these elections - Stacy Abrams, Birmingham Mayor Randall Woodfin, Doug Jones and many others across the region - he is ready to pick up a lot of votes on super Tuesday. He'll just have to stay close in Iowa and New Hampshire and then he'll pick up steam.
BobbyLayne
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Don't know if it's too soon but Obama wasn't in the Senate very long so who knows. I think he'd be a terrific candidate.
TobiasFunke
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If the candidate is Biden he doesn't need someone to shore up his foreign policy or legislative chops. He needs someone to shore up his support among younger people, people demanding new voices in Democratic leadership, and people who want the party to start reaching out to southern states that could become swing states. Beto fits the bill, although I'd argue a woman (maybe Stacey Abrams?) fits the bill even better.
ffldrew
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That was the turning point - and the biggest point of contention with Hillary in 2008 - she had set herself up in the many months prior to the primaries in the South courting votes/favors - then along comes an African American Senator to upset the apple cart in South Carolina. Changed the dynamics of the media story and turned it into a race. Obama then took off on Super Tuesday in the South and in essence tied the race at that point.
Hillary finally got her wins in 2016 by default but had Bernie been able to get his work going sooner in the South I think he would have picked up enough to stop Hillary with the later momentum he gathered. It was just too hard to fight his fights on 3 fronts - Iowa, NH and the South. He was still unknown in the south once Super Tuesday hit.
squistion
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I seriously doubt that younger people would flock to the polls because Beto in on the ticket as Biden's VP.
My perception is that VP picks don't move the needle much. I can't remember an election where the VP choice made much of a difference either way. Sarah Palin was a pretty awful pick and may have cost McCain a few votes, but ultimately I don't think it was the difference between winning or losing to Obama.
TobiasFunke
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I mostly agree, but in this case they'll probably be using the VP pick to assuage whatever branch of the anti-Trump, pro-American Exceptionalism movement feels slighted by the nominee. There's a lot of people under that umbrella, and the pick is bound to upset some of them.
timschochet
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My dad threw out a name yesterday that I hadn’t heard elsewhere: James Mattis.
timschochet
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There was no work Bernie could have done in the South.
IMO, the southern primaries for the Democratic Party are the least democratic aspect of our Presidential politics, period. There are 3 reasons for this: the first is that most of them are caucuses. The second is that, over the past 40 years, southern whites have largely abandoned the Democratic Party, making it dominated by African-Americans. The 3rd reason is that African-American voting in the South is led by churches more than it is anywhere else in the nation: the ministers endorse a candidate and that is who gets voted for.
So what you have in these states is a very small group of people deciding who the winner is going to be. In 2008, that was Barack Obama. In 2016, that was Hillary Clinton. It’s not the single deciding factor for the entire Democratic Party, but it is extremely significant and usually decisive.
I don't think either will seek the nomination, but a Bloomberg/Mattis ticket would be the perfect embodiment of what the DNC stands for.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Eric Holder? The former Attorney General? That Eric Holder?
Seriously?
Who in their right mind....
…..never mind.
Seriously?
Who in their right mind....
…..never mind.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
What happened to Gavin Newsom?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
Recent poll by Des Moines Register of primary dem voters/support shows 32 percent support Biden and 3 percent support Kloubachar. The poll claims Iowa voters want experience. To lazy to post a link, but feel free to google it. I use to live in MN, and don’t understand the love for Kloubachar.
wikkidpissah
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It might not be a good idea to announce running for President weeks after being sworn in.
the moops
Footballguy
She has bipartisan appeal and has won her senate seats going away. Even people who voted for her opponent have nice things to say about her. You are in a huge minority here
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