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travdogg said:
What level of prospect is ETN ? What are 2 or 3 rookies from the last decade or so you would put him on par with? Because when I look at his college career, I have a hard time understanding why he's not universally considered a higher level prospect.Gally said:
The post draft presser with ETN and Urban was interesting. Coach must have said speed a 30 times, it was all he seemed to care about. Said Jax lacked big plays last year and that the odds say 13 -15 play drives don't work, teams need big plays. It seems pretty clear what Urban is looking for.
I didn't know that, actually. That sounds about right for Urban. It just seemed like the tea leaves were there and that Robinson had left a lot to be desired in that category. Whether Meyer is right about what speed brings to the table in the NFL is the question. Al Davis for a long time killed with speed, but he did so in the seventies and eighties. Almost everybody in the NFL has speed, the question is one of functional speed for the NFL, and we'll see if Etienne has it. That's where the disconnect lies with his college stats as a prospect and the reality of the NFL, where everybody is moving at a high clip. Plenty of guys have destroyed college with next level speed -- will Etienne's translate? The stat guys say yes, the film grinders don't seem to think quite as much.
Funny, Urban addressed almost exactly what you said. He said it's no secret that speed wins so it's competitive to get the speed guys. He also said speed needs to be the right kind: "efficient speed". Said he's had fast guys who couldn't play before but he thinks ETN checks every box for what they want. Said it's all about exploiting matchups and putting defenses 4th best cover guy on ETN in the passing game. I also really like how much ETN gushed about getting to play with Lawrence and how much they have worked after practice the last 2 years to develop chemistry in the passing game.
Hew would of been last year, then again so would of Chuba.
Traded up from the 1.04 to get out of the conundrum of not having one of what I consider the big three, which are Chase, Harris, and Etienne. I really would be thrilled if I got Etienne at the 1.05. Probably won't happen, but one can dream.
I loved this post until the last sentence. Im a big fan of both Etienne's talent and landing spot but TE is the premiere spot in fantasy right now. Having someone like Kelce is such a positional advantage that is hard to find. Every draft has an Etienne, I don't think every draft has a Kyle Pitts.
I get the premise and if you told me within 2 year Pitts would be performing on par with Kelce, I would say he's the 1.01. However, last year in VBD, Kelce was 7th. The next TE was Waller at 29 and then Tonyan at 59. Meanwhile in the top 60 there were 25 RBs,
Yes in the sense that there are only a handful of TEs worth anything. Pitts a big swing. Either a HR or a total whiff. RBs and WRs give you some safety for a double.
I don't play SF, but I'm not that surprised with the apparent emphasis on QBs, the hype of Pitts & Chase, and the questionable landing spot. I'd be very happy to land a player like ETN at 1.09.
He pretty much HAS to be Kelce now.....odds of that are not very good. Kid could be amazing, probably wont live up to the hype is all I am saying.
I think he's the 3rd best RB in this class, behind Williams(the clear #1 this year to me) and Harris. In 2020 I liked Swift, Taylor, and Dobbins(he's probably the closest for me) more. In 2019, I liked Josh Jacobs(barely) more. In 2018, I liked Barkley, Chubb, Penny, and Guice more. In 2017, I liked CMC, Cook, Fournette, Kamara, Mixon and Hunt all more, but I loved that class. Had Zeke and Henry higher in 2016 as well.
Fully agree with you on the receiving aspect improving. That is a big reason why I still have him as mid 1st round rookie pick. Its definitely the aspect of his game that puts him ahead of Robinson.
Yes, indeed it did. He got the highest marks of any back but for competition at the position with respect to his current situation. As somebody noted, that's a pretty subjective measurement and he's not real consistent in how he applies it.
So do we really think James Robinson is some giant roadblock to touches? He did that under a totally different regime. and there was no one else on the roster. I honestly think Jrob will be lucky to not be baggin groceries in 2 season....no offense to our front line grocery baggers, but jrob is the definition of a JAG and the JAX just spent a 1st on Travis....
I haven't really overthought it. The author did. Robinson, by all accounts and media, is set to be the early-down back. Do I believe that?
Its possible Etienne absolutely takes the reigns from Robinson, but Robinson had 100 yards a game at 4.5 YPC, and 10 TD's, in a an awful offense. He's going to be a part of the offense, and certainly not bagging groceries.
I hope he does play the Harvin/Samuel role. I don't think people saying that have actually looked at how Urban used those guys. If you take their college average per game touch breakdown and project it out to a 16 game NFL schedule, it would be 120 receptions, 90 carries and 1200-1400 yards. He would be a PPR gold mine. I don't think he is actually going to be used that way. He won't catch 120 passes and he will have more than 90 carries. I'm just pointing out the people who are using that as a knock on ETN's role in an Urban offense haven't actually thought that all the way through.
James Robinson was really good at what he does. Much better than what you would think of as a UDFA would bring. He is great in the hole and always gets positive yards while breaking initial tackles. He does have limitations and those are filled by ETN. Robinson isn't explosive in the manner of getting 40 yd plays but he is plenty quick with acceleration for 10 yd gains. He is really good at that even on the terrible team of last year. He will definitely have a role as his strengths/weaknesses are a good combo with ETN's strengths/weaknesses. I think it was a great NFL pairing but will diminish both players for FF.
There is where I am at as well. James Robinson is certainly not a JAG, I think he proved that last year by being 3rd in yards after contact while in a terrible terrible offense. What he does not have though is home run speed, which apparently matters a great deal to the new coaching staff. Both backs should be involved this year which will make the backfield one that is hard to trust.
No he's not. But he is a guy in the same vein as Latavius Murray - sufficient but nothing special.
I can't speak for his but I also got him at 1.09 in a SF draft. It went:
I actually... can’t as it stands ! This league is on the sleeper app which I’m absolutely awful at navigating. Can’t seem to find draft history. However it was these exact players and along the lines of
Thx for this. I’m in the six spot and want a QB (Watson, Tannehill, Mayfield). The one pick is a Steelers homer, so I anticipate it will be Harris, then the 4 QBs above, then who knows. That puts me in the lap of Chase or Etienne.TartanLion said:
LOL it's going to take me awhile to get used to that.Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
like current Murray to. Young Murray had major wheels. I actually think Robinson is a good comp to late stage career Ingram. However, we see time and time again RBs who perform well out of nowhere and never repeat it. We could make quite a list of come from nowhere 1 season wonders at the RB position.Andy Dufresne said:
There are a lot of reasons to think James Robinson is a better player than Murray. That's not really the point though, here is the carry breakdown for Murray/Kamara their two years togetherAndy Dufresne said:
Too true. I am just trying to temper expectations for people who expect Etienne to run away with a every down role.
I believe he will be an asset in PPR leagues. He does appear to be an impatient runner, lacking agility between the tackles.
I agree, his style is definitely to try and find the lane and sprint for it. It may not translate to the NFL but plenty of RBs with patience and solid traditional footwork have failed as well. I am just happy to bet on the guy who hits on every possible box except for the subjective running style preference.
