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RB Travis Etienne, JAX (1 Viewer)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Scroll back it should be clear.
I think ETN is the best rookie player for fantasy in 2021.
If he had come out last year I would have ranked him as the same tier as Taylor Swift and Dobbins and he would be at the top of that tier although it's more of tie between him and Taylor, and I dont think Swift or Dobbins are far behind.
Maybe the Jaguars and their coach cause me to be disappointed in his performance. That remains to be seen. But I believe in the talent of the player.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I just picked 2 games that were available online. Not particularly best or worst. He did crush in those games though, 13 catches 409 years and 4 TDs.
Faust
MVP
Biabreakable
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
"He eats shoots and leaves" is a whole 'nother ballgame from "He eats, shoots, and leaves." You simply feed the panda in the former, for the latter, you get the heck out of its way.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I purposefully dont bother with things like apostrophes and such. Just be thankful for spell check. I have gotten better with that but my mind a lot faster than my hands and I mess stuff up all the time.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I finally got around to looking at some ADP and I was shocked to find that ETN is being mocked (pun intended) as the 98th player over all and the 38th RB over all in PPR format.
I don't know what to say about this. I dont think I have been this far off on my valuation of a player compared to consensus since Jay Ajayi.
I don't know what to say about this. I dont think I have been this far off on my valuation of a player compared to consensus since Jay Ajayi.
tombonneau
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
This is mind boggling. Just for reference, here is RB30-40 in PPR last year:
30 Giovani Bernard TB 158.1 16 9.9
31 Devin Singletary BUF 143.6 16 9.0
32 Jeff Wilson Jr. SF 142.3 12 11.9
33 Wayne Gallman SF 136.6 15 9.1
34 Latavius Murray NO 136.2 15 9.1
35 Leonard Fournette TB 132.0 13 10.2
36 Darrell Henderson LAR 130.3 15 8.7
37 Gus Edwards BAL 128.2 16 8.0
38 Jamaal Williams DET 127.1 14 9.1
39 Jerick McKinnon KC 126.2 15 8.4
40 Adrian Peterson DET 124.5 16 7.8
I'll take the over 38.
I think a much more likely tier for him to land in is Nyheim Hines (15) and J.D. McKissic (17) who achieved RB2 PPR status with 62 and 80 catches, respectively.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Walter Payton is the best all around RB I have ever watcher from a pure talent perspective. Obviously that’s the most hyperbolic statement in the history of hyperbole.Dabo Sweeny with the Next Level Coach Speak:
Boston
Footballguy
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Ohhhh k then. I like ETN a lot, got him in a ton of spots, redraft and dynasty, can't freaking wait to see him in action. But let's stop with that ####.Dabo Sweeny with the Next Level Coach Speak:
Also, and just for fun because his name came up, Walter had 8 passing TDs in his career. He could do it all. And he was only 200 pounds. Fantasy beast. 38 receptions per season. Career ~17.3 PPR Fantasy Points per game.
I sincerely will be really happy if ETN comes even remotely close to those numbers for like 3 years.
Boston
Footballguy
Such a sloppy comparison...not fair to the kid and makes you have to wonder about anything Dabo says about his players going forward.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Walter's first 8 season touch totals went like this:
229
326
366
383
400
363
380
180* 1982 strike shortened season
He then turned 29 going into his 9th season. Not sure what the narrative at that point was, but he then followed those workload seasons with:
367, 426, 373 and 358 before dropping to 179 in his final season. PPR per game he went 20.0, 20.4, 20.5, 17.2 and then 11.5 in those last 5 seasons.
229
326
366
383
400
363
380
180* 1982 strike shortened season
He then turned 29 going into his 9th season. Not sure what the narrative at that point was, but he then followed those workload seasons with:
367, 426, 373 and 358 before dropping to 179 in his final season. PPR per game he went 20.0, 20.4, 20.5, 17.2 and then 11.5 in those last 5 seasons.
I know that came out in October but what a strange approach to a feature story on him. It's not like he was not known.
Anyway I heard Dabo give the Payton comp to him a few months ago on a Podcast, if you want to hear a more expansive explanation kick it to the 16:39 mark: Dabo on Trevor/ETN
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
152 and 165 touches, 77 and 110 targets. Swift was RB18 on 160 touches - 57 targets, 46 receptions. Chase Edmonds was RB23 on 150 touches (68 targets, 53 catches.)
Personally I think James Robinson will lead the team in carries by a good margin, but Etienne will be far more efficient. He should make a good RB2 with the usual ups and downs, hit or miss starts.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Well it’s the first I had heard of him. Thought maybe some people here might want to know about a sleeper pick.
I'm a bit skeptical from a redraft perspective. Between the presence of Robinson and Hyde, and the fact that the player Meyer really wanted in the 1st was Toney, I'm not sure there will be a huge and consistent role for Etienne this season. It's possible that he's so explosive that he can do with 8-12 touches what most players can do with 16-20 but that't tough to count on. I realize this may be a lazy comp because of the Clemson connection, but I do worry that this could initially be a CJ Spiller situation where people couldn't believe that the Bills were prioritizing Fred Jackson over Spiller. DeShaun Foster/DeAngelo Williams also comes to mind.
I have no doubt that Etienne will produce some highlight reel plays but I think they'll be tough to count on/predict. This situation is generally too murky for my liking.
I have no doubt that Etienne will produce some highlight reel plays but I think they'll be tough to count on/predict. This situation is generally too murky for my liking.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Whar makes you think Robinson will lead the team in carries?
The coaches were not there when Robinson played very well last season and they decided to use a 1st round pick on ETN.
I don't understand. I haven't watched a lot of Robinson but when he played against the Vikings he was fine but not that explosive. And the Vikings could not stop anyone from running the ball last year. Look what Kamara did to them. Robinson talent level does not hold a candle to ETN in my view and I don't see why he would lead the team in carries or touches.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Indeed. I love ETN but I wouldn't go that far. Payton the best RB I have ever seen and Barry Sanders is a player I doubt I ever see again in my life time but I would still take Payton over him if I had the choice.
I listened to the clip menobrown posted and it sounds like the coach hasn't been paying attention to football or something as when DJ brings up Jamal Charles he calls that new school even though Charles had a full career and has been retired for many years. It just sounds like he isn't hip to comparison game.
What he does say about ETN while making that comparison is that ETN is a complete RB has great yards after contact and fantastic acceleration. Which is all true.
Robinson is very good between the tackles and breaking the first tackle. He has great quickness in the hole but doesn't have break away speed. His best attribute is always gaining yards with a good shot at 10 yd gains every time he touches it. He just doesn't have the breakaway ability to make them bigger plays. He and ETN are very good NFL compliments. The things Robinson excels at are the things ETN is weaker at. I think they will both be used to their strengths and it will be much better for real NFL than it is for FF.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I'm starting to get nervous that ETN is quickly becoming a Percy Harvin-type guy here, gadget WR/kr hybrid, David Meggett Swiss knife type of player. If true, Robinson is a very good addition to any fantasy roster and should climb the pre-draft RB rankings.
Just because Meyer and Co are a new coaching staff, doesn't, or shouldn't necessarily mean that they'll kick Robinson to the curb. Plenty of coaches inherit players and make them better. we'll see how this plays out
Just because Meyer and Co are a new coaching staff, doesn't, or shouldn't necessarily mean that they'll kick Robinson to the curb. Plenty of coaches inherit players and make them better. we'll see how this plays out
eric rymer
Footballguy
chad in Indy
Footballguy
There is a huge physical difference there:
Percy Harvin was a 185lb WR who they designed gadget plays around. But those gadget plays are now a norm for NFL teams who run the RPO. It's just the jet sweep. Harvin was never meant to be a RB (IMO)
ETN is a 215lb RB, who will catch out of the backfield.
I don't think Robinson is an afterthought for the coaches either.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
During the one season Harvin was healthy and played in 16 games, he had 87/1300/8. That would have been good enough last year to finish as the RB4 in ppr.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Harris, Chase, Waddle in that order. I considered Williams as an alternative, but thought more upside given I read they want get Etienne out in space pass catching. He showed lot of speed on his film. Who knows, could be wrong choice. I was fine with either rb.
Brownsfan
Footballguy
I just took him at 1.06, 12 team ppr, 1 qb
Chase, Lawrence, Harris, Pitts, Williams.
Was thrilled to get him there
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Waddle at 1.03 is such a terrible pick, wow.
and Lawrence at 2 in a 1 QB league is even worse. You guys have really benefited here. This is like someone taking Ruggs or Burrow over Swift, Akers or Dobbins last year. Just inexplicable.
I know. But remember last year… CEH was best pick for RB. Justin Jefferson was told by coach he needs lot of work on route running. And Herbert was not going to start.Ilov80s said:
I got Taylor, Jefferson, Herbert, and Edwards.
Things seem easy, but you trust what you see.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I thought CEH should have been a mid to late 1st round pick. His value was total Mahomes related inflation. He wasn’t that good of a prospect. I don’t think whether Herbert was or wasn’t going to start week 1 really had an impact on his dynasty rookie ADP. People just thought he wasn’t that good (even though he was basically the kind of QB you would create in a lab). Jefferson’s rookie ADP also wasn’t really impacted by his poor summer reports. He was pretty firmly slotted in between 7-10.I know. But remember last year… CEH was best pick for RB. Justin Jefferson was told by coach he needs lot of work on route running. And Herbert was not going to start.
I got Taylor, Jefferson, Herbert, and Edwards.
Things seem easy, but you trust what you see.
Also you killed that draft. I missed Jefferson by 1 pick and took Reagor- GROSS. Got Mims but have since moved him for Edwards. Also took Herbert. So we are very much on the same page.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As I just said in another topic, more and more I see ETN taking over as the feature back, and it doesn’t even feel remotely controversial to me.
He’s a bargain in the 5th, and even feels like a value pick in the late 4th as a RB2 for teams going TE or WR early.
I don’t see Robinson holding onto the early down job for a month, and even that feels like a maybe. Urban Meyer is very FOS when it comes to revealing his plans, and all this talk about exclusive use as a WR is poppycock. Follow the talent. Never mind draft equity, but there’s that going for ETN too.
I have no doubt that they’ll have Robinson in the backfield and split ETN out wide sometimes, and likely on plays that go to ETN. But I also have no doubt that by October, ETN is leading the team In carries & Robinson is relegated to backup / breather back / decoy in the backfield.
If I had Robinson in dynasty I’d be selling for whatever the market will pay now before his value craters.
Hot take
(another post I’m sure will be quoted in the future if I’m wrong, but I’m ok with that risk, just like I’m ok taking ETN’s upside in the 4th)
He’s a bargain in the 5th, and even feels like a value pick in the late 4th as a RB2 for teams going TE or WR early.
I don’t see Robinson holding onto the early down job for a month, and even that feels like a maybe. Urban Meyer is very FOS when it comes to revealing his plans, and all this talk about exclusive use as a WR is poppycock. Follow the talent. Never mind draft equity, but there’s that going for ETN too.
I have no doubt that they’ll have Robinson in the backfield and split ETN out wide sometimes, and likely on plays that go to ETN. But I also have no doubt that by October, ETN is leading the team In carries & Robinson is relegated to backup / breather back / decoy in the backfield.
If I had Robinson in dynasty I’d be selling for whatever the market will pay now before his value craters.
Hot take
(another post I’m sure will be quoted in the future if I’m wrong, but I’m ok with that risk, just like I’m ok taking ETN’s upside in the 4th)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I should have been paying more attention in May.
That said, I damn near too ETN over Pitts when I traded up to 1.08, but TE was a bigger need thanks to Engram stinking up my dynasty roster for the last several years while I started Gronk. Plus I'd simultaneously been negotiating to acquire CEH, so Pitts made more sense. I still feel like it was a coin flip.
I don't hate Etienne, but I don't think that this will be considered to be a coin flip at this time next year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ps - if I were a betting man, I’d be more inclined to bet that Etienne makes Robinson irrelevant than Javonte Williams taking over completely from Gordon.
