Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree it’s easier but what do you do with that? Without landing spot and team fit especially.
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RB Travis Etienne, JAX (2 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah that’s part of the puzzle, but I’m usually trying to figure out what the player does well and how they can win at the NFL. I think I would prefer a player who does a couple things really well but isn’t complete than a jack of all trades master of none type.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Walter did it all. He also completed 11/34 for 331, 8 TDs, 6 INTs. Lol I'm just kidding had to give a shameless plug for my boy. That did it all.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah he may have been the most complete back. LT was really well rounded also. There’s plenty of room for a RB to not be Payton but to still be an RB1 in fantasy.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
yikes., that's not a good thing. 4.1 yards and a cloud of dust, 41recs/yr.
only one 1,000 yard season in 6 years in the NFL.
Fantasy scoring very, very heavily dependent on TDs.
no thanks
Why not? I don't understand the hate. This guy had one of the greatest careers in college football history.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not everbody hates him. I sure don't. Do I like him as much as some of last year's backs? Probably not, but he's a surefire top five guy (and most would say top three or four) right now.
rockaction
Footballguy
That said, there's something about him that screams if he's not in the right situation, he might be in trouble. The draft and his landing spot will take care of that. He did have one of the best college careers ever, and I'm surprised he went back to school merely to upgrade his stock into the first round. Will the gamble pay off? We'll see. I do know one thing: coaches invest a whole lot more in you if they take you in the first than if they take you in the second, it seems.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Pretty sure you can find my posts where I go into detail on Etienne. Not going to rehash it over and over. I'm not saying he will be a failure, but I like the other two RBs more and even the top 4 WRs and Pitts.
That's fine, I haven't kept up too closely on the thread. But I'm just amazed at the hate I see everywhere. I get that not everyone is going to see him as a perfect prospect but to say he's outside the top 6 is pretty extreme in my view, and I don't really understand. I realize he's not a can't-miss or anything, because who is?, but I think people are overthinking this.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think this is pretty unique to Johnny U and ETN and I am not sure what Johnny Us motivation is here honestly.
He thinks ETN doesnt run well between the tackles and he would like to see him make defenders miss more in space. The criticisms are fair but the conclusion (would take 4 WR ahead of ETN) is not in my view.
If I didnt know better it almost seems like Johnny U is trying to depress the perceived value of ETN by posting negative things about him all the time.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not doing that at all. I feel he is the RB #3 and I like the big 4 WRs over him. I don’t think that is so unbelievable. I just feel ETN lacks wiggle and vision. I could be wrong. He seems to be a straight line guy. I’m not saying he won’t have value, especially in PPR leagues. He’s an excellent receiver out of the backfield. I just see him in a 50/50 or at best a 60/40 timeshare in the NFL. He is definitely landing spot dependent IMO. I have ETN in one dynasty league and I’m not shopping him currently.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ok the 4 WR you think you would select over ETN are they all going to be top 12 WR for fantasy?
Who do you think has a better chance of being top 12 at their position for fantasy? ETN or those 4 WR?
I am an advocate for the long term value of WR over RB in dynasty but I still like to win and there is no way I would select any of these WR over ETN
Who do you think has a better chance of being top 12 at their position for fantasy? ETN or those 4 WR?
I am an advocate for the long term value of WR over RB in dynasty but I still like to win and there is no way I would select any of these WR over ETN
DropKick
Footballguy
Johnny is entitled to his opinion and I'm glad that everyone doesn't see things the same way..
I also rank ETN as the 3rd RB and behind Chase and, depending on roster, Pitts. So, in theory, I have him as 5th off the board. I can see someone really liking Smith and/or Waddle so i don't think Johnny's take is out of the realm of reason. A knock on ETN, as a rookie, might be age due to a 4 year college career.
That being said, fantasy drafts being so RB centric, I don't expect to see ETN drop past #4 in start one QB leagues.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I am all for people having different opinions.
I think Travis Etienne is the best RB and fantasy player of the 2021 draft. Talent level comparable to Swift or Taylor from last year and he should be the first RB selected in the NFL draft.
I think Travis Etienne is the best RB and fantasy player of the 2021 draft. Talent level comparable to Swift or Taylor from last year and he should be the first RB selected in the NFL draft.
Faust
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Travis Etienne’s career production vs 2021 class
RB3 w/ 18.6 Breakout Age
Since 2015, here are the only prospects that are graded higher in my RB model:
JohnnyU
Footballguy
For me it's easy. Bateman. After that you have to look at Terrace Marshall and Elijah Moore. Yes, I ranked both of those players over Rondale Moore.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Another guy who I like the more I watch. He may not be the shiftiest, but he is a smart runner who runs way more aggressively than I initially thought. Kind of a hit knife through butter runner, he will burst through arm tackles and has distance speed. Still like Javonte more but I if gun to head today I would take Etienne over Harris. There are some really nice landing spots that will help decipher these guys as I have the top three fairly closely ranked.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Let's look at this issue from the backside going forward: What teams would change your mind about ETN if he went to them?
Teams that need RBs:
Miami, Pitt, Jets, Buf(?), and likely the cardinals.
If he goes to Miami? Well they still need their O line to gel, but if they had Harris or Williams you'd go high for them...
Pitt? I see people getting excited there
Jets: Nope, likely deflates his value
Buffalo: well, they have 2 other backs so it would muddy things, but he likely is the best of the three
Arizona: YAHTZEE!!!!!!
Now, teams that could use a RB, but he would be in a committee:
New Orleans - as Kamara's backup he would have some value
Jacksonville: He may be an upgrade over Robinson, but it would take some time to sort out.
Can't see another spot where I'd be jazzed to se him there. Maybe Denver?
Teams that need RBs:
Miami, Pitt, Jets, Buf(?), and likely the cardinals.
If he goes to Miami? Well they still need their O line to gel, but if they had Harris or Williams you'd go high for them...
Pitt? I see people getting excited there
Jets: Nope, likely deflates his value
Buffalo: well, they have 2 other backs so it would muddy things, but he likely is the best of the three
Arizona: YAHTZEE!!!!!!
Now, teams that could use a RB, but he would be in a committee:
New Orleans - as Kamara's backup he would have some value
Jacksonville: He may be an upgrade over Robinson, but it would take some time to sort out.
Can't see another spot where I'd be jazzed to se him there. Maybe Denver?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why do people always assume Pittsburgh is a great landing spot, me included? Didn't their line suck last year?
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Atlanta would be nice IMO.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
you figure with those receivers, you are going to see a lot of 6 and 7 man fronts, I guess.
Atlanta would be nice if you think Smith is a placeholder and not a starter.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Gatorman
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JohnnyU
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
How so? I don't think they play alike at all.
Group think? No more than Najee or Chase. These guys all have obvious cases for being in play at 1.01.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It did but I think it's two things. One, the organization is well ran so people have faith they will fix the line. Second, they have a coach who has shown he still prefers having a single workhorse RB.
rockaction
Footballguy
With Pitts and Chase having the pro days they just had, Etienne probably is now in the top five range only, and may not be a surefire top three guy.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Maurkice Pouncey retired this offseason too
IDK. Aging Big Ben wouldn't (couldn't???) throw deep. Essentially they were seeing a loaded box with safeties and DBs playing so close to the LOS
Ilov80s
Footballguy
My realistic RB landing spots that I would really like for fantasy are:
Rd 1 Najee Harris to Pitt (seems high for the Steelers who have a few needs- maybe the Steelers could trade back a few picks if a playoff team wanted to move up for an OL or Edge who slipped a bit farther than expected) Harris brings a lot of the same traits Bell and Conner did. He's probably somewhere between them talent wise.
Rd 2 Arizona trades up for ETN, stylistically and skill wise ETN is like the super version of Drake
Rd 2 Denver takes Williams, Gordon is in the last year of his deal and Lindsay is gone.This team has a lot of really good pieces in place and if they get the right QB, this could be a high powered offense. I could easily see Williams doing what Lindsay did last year and then in 2022 doing what Gordon has.
Rd 3 Atlanta takes Kenny Gainwell, he can ease his way in with Davis heading the committee, Gainwell could provide an explosive punch that Atlanta hasn't had in the backfield in a few years
Rd 3 Miami takes Jermar Jefferson and he has the chance to pass up Gaskins as the lead back pretty quickly, Miami RBs were pretty productive last season
Rd 3 Jets pick Chuba Hubbard , I assume they are going to try a Shanny like system where a one cut and go RB can thrive, that is the system Hubbard likely needs
Rd 1 Najee Harris to Pitt (seems high for the Steelers who have a few needs- maybe the Steelers could trade back a few picks if a playoff team wanted to move up for an OL or Edge who slipped a bit farther than expected) Harris brings a lot of the same traits Bell and Conner did. He's probably somewhere between them talent wise.
Rd 2 Arizona trades up for ETN, stylistically and skill wise ETN is like the super version of Drake
Rd 2 Denver takes Williams, Gordon is in the last year of his deal and Lindsay is gone.This team has a lot of really good pieces in place and if they get the right QB, this could be a high powered offense. I could easily see Williams doing what Lindsay did last year and then in 2022 doing what Gordon has.
Rd 3 Atlanta takes Kenny Gainwell, he can ease his way in with Davis heading the committee, Gainwell could provide an explosive punch that Atlanta hasn't had in the backfield in a few years
Rd 3 Miami takes Jermar Jefferson and he has the chance to pass up Gaskins as the lead back pretty quickly, Miami RBs were pretty productive last season
Rd 3 Jets pick Chuba Hubbard , I assume they are going to try a Shanny like system where a one cut and go RB can thrive, that is the system Hubbard likely needs
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Chase and Pitts looked great but supply and demand to me says RBs should be top 2 picks. RB really falls off fast both in rookie drafts and dynasty in general where as WR is really deep. I love Pitts but TE in the top 5 of non TE premium is too rich for me.
My thought is that I am not going to overthink it. ETN had one of the greatest careers for a college RB in the last 25 years. He played on the biggest stages against the best teams. He is a great pass catcher. Unless he ends up in a really poor spot, I am not overthinking this evaluation.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I generally agree with these as dream landing spots, especially the Jets and Hubbard, whom I'd linked them to in the Jets thread for that exact reason. The need to run stretches and one cut and go in that offense might be ideal for his long speed.
But they're all pretty much dream landing scenarios, so the likelihood of it happening, as you obviously know, is unfortunately not that great. And a lot of places link Harris to MIA for some reason. Perhaps they're just blowing smoke. We'll see. I think teams are going to be really flexible with their policies about running backs this year. They're just not worth the capital investment to most teams.
rockaction
Footballguy
You're going to have to drag me kicking and screaming to Pitts at five, but I think you can get me there as long as you're willing to put up with me during the ride.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm seriously thinking about him at 3 in a TE premium league and already have Kittle and Andrews and can only start 2 TEs and I need RBs. I would most likely draft Williams or Harris at 3 if there, but if I had to choose between ETN, Pitts, and Chase, that is where it gets interesting between Chase and Pitts.
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