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I would agree here. He seems to be doing well in practice and reports are awesome. Make room for 1 more on the trainCrashing from the penthouse to the outhouse? I'll take the train on this one.
I would agree here. He seems to be doing well in practice and reports are awesome. Make room for 1 more on the trainCrashing from the penthouse to the outhouse? I'll take the train on this one.
I don't do consensus and he isn't that high. He's behind Sanders for me, so I'm sure I won't have to worry about him. I'll think about it should I find myself in that spot.So he is consensus 6 or 7 now....do we agree this is about right? Too low? Too high?
I won’t pay is current price in a startup but he’s probably around there, and it’s probably about rightSo he is consensus 6 or 7 now....do we agree this is about right? Too low? Too high?
Darrell Williams if needed for a 1-2 down back. Washington would be much more likely to have the same role he had with the Raiders - 3rd down back, or long yardage back.shadrap said:Is there a clear cut backup to CEH & if so who???????????????????????????????????????
drafting tonight.
I just looked at the AVERAGE rankings from 80 online draft "experts" from a bunch of websites, and he was #9, right after Cook, Jones and Adams, and right before Hill, Henry and Sanders (PPR).TripItUp said:So he is consensus 6 or 7 now....do we agree this is about right? Too low? Too high?
FFPC draft main event I'm in he went 4th or 5th. I picked 8th.I-ROK said:I won’t pay is current price in a startup but he’s probably around there, and it’s probably about right
those are old...or use drafts from 1 month ago etc.I just looked at the AVERAGE rankings from 80 online draft "experts" from a bunch of websites, and he was #9, right after Cook, Jones and Adams, and right before Hill, Henry and Sanders (PPR).
Kareem Hunt would like a word with you.For me, Reid is a rbbc coach, so anyone that commits a high draft pick playing with fire.
As would Lesean McCoy And Brian WestbrookKareem Hunt would like a word with you.
Double postFor me, Reid is a rbbc coach, so anyone that commits a high draft pick playing with fire.
except he's notFor me, Reid is a rbbc coach, so anyone that commits a high draft pick playing with fire.
and Duce Staley and Jamaal CharlesAs would Lesean McCoy And Brian Westbrook
Chiefs GM Brett Veach said Clyde Edwards-Helaire is "on pace to have a big year, to be our primary ballcarrier."
NBC Sports' Peter King spent the week visiting Kansas City and came away very bullish on Edwards-Helaire's fantasy outlook saying, "Draft him in the first round of your fantasy draft. Believe me, you’ll thank me for that tip on the LSU rookie." He notes that the Chiefs have been scheming him touches during scrimmages and that the rookie "could not have been much more impressive in the two practices I saw." Many well-connected national media members have been dropping random CEH praise on Twitter and this report just piles onto that. The fantasy community has adjusted CEH from a third-round pick to a first-round pick following Damien Williams' decision to opt out, so if you're buying the hype, you'll likely have to spend a top-8 pick to draft Edwards-Helaire at this point. It goes without saying that his upside is enormous. The argument surrounds his floor.
SOURCE: NBC Sports
Aug 24, 2020, 2:09 AM ET
Can he handle a blitzing 240lb linebacker from the blind side? If you’re Reid, are you gambling the health of your star qb?and Duce Staley and Jamaal Charles
Wait.....I must have misread the post I was responding to. I thought you said "Reid is a rbbc coach".Can he handle a blitzing 240lb linebacker from the blind side? If you’re Reid, are you gambling the health of your star qb?
He is mainly so I’m thinking ceh will share time with others. In addition, since no preseason rookies will be brought along slowly.Wait.....I must have misread the post I was responding to. I thought you said "Reid is a rbbc coach".
Sorry my bad for interpreting that the wrong way when you really meant to ask if he could handle a blitzing 240 lb linebacker.
Not at all - unless you're saying any back that gets spelled at all is in a RBBC.Jamaal Charles was a RBBC guy.
But he's NOT.He is mainly so I’m thinking ceh will share time with others. In addition, since no preseason rookies will be brought along slowly.
I’m just saying there are warning signs for me that don’t justify such a high draft. Buyer beware.But he's NOT.
Ok. It's fine if you don't like him, but making up stuff like Reid prefers RBBC isn't helpful.I’m just saying there are warning signs for me that don’t justify such a high draft. Buyer beware.
Look farther up the thread...Can he handle a blitzing 240lb linebacker from the blind side? If you’re Reid, are you gambling the health of your star qb?
No, that's pretty much where he's going these days.Am I crazy for considering CEH with the 1.08 in a 0.5PPR redraft league?
I did an FPC draft yesterday and he went 1.05, ahead of Michael Thomas. I don't think I'm going that direction but that is definitely about his price.Am I crazy for considering CEH with the 1.08 in a 0.5PPR redraft league?
Not at all. I only looked at rankings updated in the past 7 days.those are old...or use drafts from 1 month ago etc.
Wow. Thats insane.Not at all. I only looked at rankings updated in the past 7 days.
He's definitely going Top 10 in most redrafts, usually 6-9 after the Big 5.
I seem to remember during his peak that people with Charles on their team always complaining about a light workload. Maybe relative to his era where elite RBs got 300 carries?Not at all - unless you're saying any back that gets spelled at all is in a RBBC.
When he played at least 15 games, Charles averaged 234 carries and 66 targets per season.
No. I took him there in half ppr yesterday.Am I crazy for considering CEH with the 1.08 in a 0.5PPR redraft league?
Depends on your philosophy. I'm one of those "can't win in the first round but can certainly lose" types.Am I crazy for considering CEH with the 1.08 in a 0.5PPR redraft league?
Yeah so bottom line is that those numbers mean boxscore dominance for you if you have him in your lineup.I seem to remember during his peak that people with Charles on their team always complaining about a light workload. Maybe relative to his era where elite RBs got 300 carries?
2010, his first year as a Pro Bowler he got less carries than Thomas Jones
2012, he got 320 of the RB touches, the other backs got 261. That is 55%. I don't know where we draw the line on what is a committee and what is a true feature back.
2013, hot got 329 RB touches but dominated the backfield receiving 71% of the RB touches.
2014, down to 246 RB touches which represented 52%.
I wonder if anyone has links to touch % for modern backfields, I am curious.
Jamal Charles was just about the most explosive RB we have ever seen so it's a high bar for anyone to do what he did on the number of touches he received. I agree with your premise though, if CEH is anywhere near as good as the Chiefs suspected when they took in the 1st, he's going to be great for fantasy. My point was just that Andy Reid is malleable. He uses his RBs how he thinks it is optimal for that particular season and is not tied to any single approach.Yeah so bottom line is that those numbers mean boxscore dominance for you if you have him in your lineup.
The same conclusion should be drawn for CEH. He's going to be worth it from a usage point of view. Talent wise I guess we will see soon enough, but fear of a Kniles Davis/Spence Ware split is unfounded IMO. Unless he busts CEH is going to get the rock.
Yeah no.Jamal Charles was just about the most explosive RB we have ever seen so it's a high bar for anyone to do what he did on the number of touches he received. I agree with your premise though, if CEH is anywhere near as good as the Chiefs suspected when they took in the 1st, he's going to be great for fantasy. My point was just that Andy Reid is malleable. He uses his RBs how he thinks it is optimal for that particular season and is not tied to any single approach.
Really? You think Andy Reid just has one approach to RBs and doesn't adjust??Yeah no.
Edit - was responding to the wrong person. Ignore me.Really? You think Andy Reid just has one approach to RBs and doesn't adjust??
I disagree with this, too. I think he uses what he has, unlike...say...Tomlin who has admitted he prefers a bell cow.barackdhouse said:Yeah no.
No offense but I'm blown away that after the closing argument of "Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Charles, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook and Duce Staley" that this is still being discussed.Ilov80s said:Really? You think Andy Reid just has one approach to RBs and doesn't adjust??
All you have to do is look at the Jamal Charles seasonal use variance that I posted above to see Reid adjusting his backfield usage.No offense but I'm blown away that after the closing argument of "Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Charles, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook and Duce Staley" that this is still being discussed.
That's where I jumped in from. It proves the point you're arguing against. The level of variance you're describing =/= the level of variance required to bench Charles. It shows him as the guy to start. By a lot.All you have to do is look at the Jamal Charles seasonal use variance that I posted above to see Reid adjusting his backfield usage.
He's not saying to bench Charles. At all. I think you guys might be misinterpreting the other person's argument. I see ilov as arguing that there might be a committee, but that the back might still be starter material, all depending on what he does with the volume. IOW, if Reid uses CEH like he did Charles, will what CEH does with that particular volume lead to satisfaction with a first-round redraft pick?That's where I jumped in from. It proves the point you're arguing against. The level of variance you're describing =/= the level of variance required to bench Charles. It shows him as the guy to start. By a lot.
My only point was that Reid is neither an RBBC coach or a workhorse coach. He's a coach who will use the players he has in the way that he thinks is best for the team. Maybe that means giving Charles 75% of the work, maybe it means 50% of the work another year.That's where I jumped in from. It proves the point you're arguing against. The level of variance you're describing =/= the level of variance required to bench Charles. It shows him as the guy to start. By a lot.