I-ROK
Footballguy
I would agree here. He seems to be doing well in practice and reports are awesome. Make room for 1 more on the train
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't do consensus and he isn't that high. He's behind Sanders for me, so I'm sure I won't have to worry about him. I'll think about it should I find myself in that spot.
I-ROK
Footballguy
I won’t pay is current price in a startup but he’s probably around there, and it’s probably about right
Truebluey
Footballguy
I just looked at the AVERAGE rankings from 80 online draft "experts" from a bunch of websites, and he was #9, right after Cook, Jones and Adams, and right before Hill, Henry and Sanders (PPR).TripItUp said:
Highest was #4 (so NOONE had him ahead of CMac, Saquon and Zeke, and remember, that's 80 ratings), lowest was # 71 (say "WHAT!!?" wth?).
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barackdhouse
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Can he handle a blitzing 240lb linebacker from the blind side? If you’re Reid, are you gambling the health of your star qb?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Wait.....I must have misread the post I was responding to. I thought you said "Reid is a rbbc coach".
Sorry my bad for interpreting that the wrong way when you really meant to ask if he could handle a blitzing 240 lb linebacker.
He is mainly so I’m thinking ceh will share time with others. In addition, since no preseason rookies will be brought along slowly.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Not at all - unless you're saying any back that gets spelled at all is in a RBBC.
When he played at least 15 games, Charles averaged 234 carries and 66 targets per season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m just saying there are warning signs for me that don’t justify such a high draft. Buyer beware.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ok. It's fine if you don't like him, but making up stuff like Reid prefers RBBC isn't helpful.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Look farther up the thread...
@nightmare
- ""With NFL game pass I watched P Mahomes first 156 passing attempts(4 games) and 2 times the RB had to pick up a blitz.
Another 2 times the Rb ran into a defender that was in his path. When the ball is snapped the RB's all take off into routes
with no hesitation. They aren't looking to block and then run a route. Anybody thinking CEH isn't getting playing time because
"rookies can't pass block" doesn't apply to this offense.
Those 2 pass blocks were the RB diving at the defender to slow him up for a half second, not a lot of technique involved with that.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I did an FPC draft yesterday and he went 1.05, ahead of Michael Thomas. I don't think I'm going that direction but that is definitely about his price.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Not at all. I only looked at rankings updated in the past 7 days.
He's definitely going Top 10 in most redrafts, usually 6-9 after the Big 5.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I seem to remember during his peak that people with Charles on their team always complaining about a light workload. Maybe relative to his era where elite RBs got 300 carries?
2010, his first year as a Pro Bowler he got less carries than Thomas Jones
2012, he got 320 of the RB touches, the other backs got 261. That is 55%. I don't know where we draw the line on what is a committee and what is a true feature back.
2013, hot got 329 RB touches but dominated the backfield receiving 71% of the RB touches.
2014, down to 246 RB touches which represented 52%.
I wonder if anyone has links to touch % for modern backfields, I am curious.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Depends on your philosophy. I'm one of those "can't win in the first round but can certainly lose" types.
With no preseason the risk is even greater for someone who hasn't played an NFL down. I'd much rather grab one of the elite WR's then target RB's with warts but still low-end RB1 potential in Rds 2-4.
greedygoat
Footballguy
Just traded down from 1.05 to 1.08 in a PPR redraft so I could grab CEH. Like him over Cook, Henry and anyone else after the big 3.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah so bottom line is that those numbers mean boxscore dominance for you if you have him in your lineup.
The same conclusion should be drawn for CEH. He's going to be worth it from a usage point of view. Talent wise I guess we will see soon enough, but fear of a Kniles Davis/Spence Ware split is unfounded IMO. Unless he busts CEH is going to get the rock.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Jamal Charles was just about the most explosive RB we have ever seen so it's a high bar for anyone to do what he did on the number of touches he received. I agree with your premise though, if CEH is anywhere near as good as the Chiefs suspected when they took in the 1st, he's going to be great for fantasy. My point was just that Andy Reid is malleable. He uses his RBs how he thinks it is optimal for that particular season and is not tied to any single approach.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I disagree with this, too. I think he uses what he has, unlike...say...Tomlin who has admitted he prefers a bell cow.barackdhouse said:
barackdhouse
Footballguy
No offense but I'm blown away that after the closing argument of "Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Charles, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook and Duce Staley" that this is still being discussed.Ilov80s said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
All you have to do is look at the Jamal Charles seasonal use variance that I posted above to see Reid adjusting his backfield usage.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That's where I jumped in from. It proves the point you're arguing against. The level of variance you're describing =/= the level of variance required to bench Charles. It shows him as the guy to start. By a lot.
rockaction
Footballguy
He's not saying to bench Charles. At all. I think you guys might be misinterpreting the other person's argument. I see ilov as arguing that there might be a committee, but that the back might still be starter material, all depending on what he does with the volume. IOW, if Reid uses CEH like he did Charles, will what CEH does with that particular volume lead to satisfaction with a first-round redraft pick?
I don't think he was arguing that you couldn't necessarily start due to pure volume, nor was he arguing about starting at all, but rather, what one should do with their high redraft pick.
Perhaps I'm also butting in, but that's how I see it. Personally, I'm fading CEH at RB6 or RB7 value. I like Mixon and Sanders better, strictly based on situation alone.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
No preseason prevents me from taking a guy like this at 1.9. There are too many knowns around that slot where I don’t have to worry if he is going to fumble his way out of a 1A job, etc
Ilov80s
Footballguy
My only point was that Reid is neither an RBBC coach or a workhorse coach. He's a coach who will use the players he has in the way that he thinks is best for the team. Maybe that means giving Charles 75% of the work, maybe it means 50% of the work another year.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I want to jump on the hype train but his playing size is an issue for me for RB1 first round. I know the comparisons to Westbrook have been made, but even Westbrook was a bigger RB. MJD was listed at the same height/weight, but MJD could block and run a 4.39.
This dude is pretty small and he's generously listed at 5'7", 210lbs. He looks even smaller than guys like MJD and Devonta Freeman on tape. I haven't read through the entire thread so maybe it's already been discussed.
I just really don't like burning first round picks on undersized players like this although you typically see them at WR. He can break a defenders ankle with pinball moves but is he going to break tackles at the NFL level and move a pile if you get a hand on him. He has almost no injury history other than hamstring issues, so on paper that part still looks good.
This dude is pretty small and he's generously listed at 5'7", 210lbs. He looks even smaller than guys like MJD and Devonta Freeman on tape. I haven't read through the entire thread so maybe it's already been discussed.
I just really don't like burning first round picks on undersized players like this although you typically see them at WR. He can break a defenders ankle with pinball moves but is he going to break tackles at the NFL level and move a pile if you get a hand on him. He has almost no injury history other than hamstring issues, so on paper that part still looks good.
