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My dad has been sick for a few weeks.  My mom called me today to say he was about to die.  I said some final words to him and he could hear me but was unable to respond.  He passed a short time later.

Not to derail anything, but we had our baby last night! She's doing amazingly well. Due to the hospital's pandemic policies, I had to leave her right after my wife was released from recovery. I can't

On a positive note, my wife gave birth to our first child this morning!! We were expecting our daughter to be born in the first week of April, which does not align very well if this hospital sees a ma

1 hour ago, culdeus said:

This thing is over.  It's already R0 <1 in the UK and Israel where they've rolled the vax out.  The hospitals are emptying out so fast now in Texas they are worried about revenue.  The way the vax is rolling out to target the most vulnerable is working better than anyone could have imagined.  These variants are a complete nothingburger and even the worst case variant scenario has this thing dead to rights in May, not 12-24 months from now.  

Get over this whole people wear mask thing, you'll see that disposed of as soon as memorial day, forever.  It will be like Polio.  Not AIDS. 

You are far more confident than most, it seems. You're in TX right?  One of the epidemiologists I follow is also in TX and was far less convinced than you. She did mention that several areas in TX were looking much better as far as hospitalizations and ICUs, but some areas were still very much strained. I *think* it was El Paso among the few that she mentioned specifically, but can't recall for certain. I will try to find what I read (it was last weekend or earlier this week) and link it up. 

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12 hours ago, ericttspikes said:

I'm still not sure I understand the variants. Fauci says that uncontrolled community spread creates the variants. If that is the case, the variants probably originated in the US based on our global domination of cases and deaths from this thing. South Africa cases have just plummeted since the South African variant hysteria started, with deaths following down. UK cases are also trending down seemingly faster than other European countries. Perhaps the UK and South African variants are misnomers, kind of like the Spanish Flu? If they truly did originate in the UK and South Africa, their progression doesn't look any worse than any other place in the globe, and seem to be receding faster than other places. Don't really get it.

Variants can occur anywhere. While it’s true uncontrolled spread increases the odds, ultimately mutations occur by random chance, and accumulate with time.

As to the caseload in the UK and South Africa, it’s possible the variants spread more effectively but cause less severe disease; with fewer symptoms/more asymptomatic cases, people are less likely to be diagnosed.

I’m just speculating, but it’s a pretty common phenomenon that mutated viruses are less virulent.

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15 hours ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

You are far more confident than most, it seems. You're in TX right?  One of the epidemiologists I follow is also in TX and was far less convinced than you. She did mention that several areas in TX were looking much better as far as hospitalizations and ICUs, but some areas were still very much strained. I *think* it was El Paso among the few that she mentioned specifically, but can't recall for certain. I will try to find what I read (it was last weekend or earlier this week) and link it up. 

I mostly follow the Texas information, because well, that's where I am.   

https://covid-texas.csullender.com/

This breaks out each hospital area by area.  DFW https://covid-texas.csullender.com/?tsa=E for example shows hospital rates have cut in half since Jan 10th.  There are pockets where this hasn't quite happened, but none are still just overwhelmed.  El Paso (https://covid-texas.csullender.com/?tsa=I) seems to have hit a plateau, but is well off it's peak.  

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15 hours ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

You are far more confident than most, it seems. You're in TX right?  One of the epidemiologists I follow is also in TX and was far less convinced than you. She did mention that several areas in TX were looking much better as far as hospitalizations and ICUs, but some areas were still very much strained. I *think* it was El Paso among the few that she mentioned specifically, but can't recall for certain. I will try to find what I read (it was last weekend or earlier this week) and link it up. 

I hate to rain on the knob-licking parade, but I think all the celebration may be a little, umm, premature.

Yes, things are trending in the right direction, but one must consider vaccine coverage for the global community, which still has a long way to go. And we’re still losing roughly triple the number of people per day than our historic number one killer, heart attacks.

I think mid-late summer is a good target for some semblance of normalcy, but hope a significant chunk of the populace doesn’t forget the importance of NPIs moving forward.

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21 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

I hate to rain on the knob-licking parade, but I think all the celebration may be a little, umm, premature.

Yes, things are trending in the right direction, but one must consider vaccine coverage for the global community, which still has a long way to go. And we’re still losing roughly triple the number of people per day than our historic number one killer, heart attacks.

I think mid-late summer is a good target for some semblance of normalcy, but hope a significant chunk of the populace doesn’t forget the importance of NPIs moving forward.

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22 hours ago, Terminalxylem said:

I think mid-late summer is a good target for some semblance of normalcy, but hope a significant chunk of the populace doesn’t forget the importance of NPIs moving forward.

When you say this ... what direction are you thinking of?

a) The U.S. picks up East Asian masking norms when sniffly/coughing, and also picks up a firm ethic to not work through colds (IOW, treat common-cold symptoms like nausea where "everyone understands" why you stayed home and aren't milking it). Hard coughing on public transportation, say, is treated like puking onto the bus floor -- you move heaven and earth to avoid it.

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b) 6-foot social distancing and double-masking in public forevermore -- absolutely never a return to "2019 normal."
 

Or something else?

I can foresee some level of change ... at the same time, it's hard to imagine that a sense of "2019 normal" never, ever returns to American society.

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5 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

Saw that 10 MLB parks are serving as vaccination sites and 150k a week being vaccinated combined. 

I feel like i saw that either yankee stadium or city field were only vaccinating 200 people a day.  which just sounds insanely low.

Found it.  City Field.  https://nypost.com/2021/02/10/citi-field-opens-for-covid-vaccinations-elderly-turned-away/

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I've been to Marlins Park three times to get tested (nasal swab). Two of those times I was sitting in a line for 2+ hours in my car until I got to the front, despite having an appointment. The third time took maybe 20 minutes tops.

Went to get tested again on Saturday (16 yo son had to quarantine and get tested due to possible exposure at school) at a different park here in Miami. We had 8:30am appointment. Was done by 8:45a (oral swab).

The plus  side of Marlins Park and nasal swab was that I had  the results within 30 minutes of taking the test. 

Still waiting on yesterday's results although I am expecting them today. 

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10 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Wisconsin hospitalizations below 400. Peak was 2277. 

Dont let the door hit ya covid. 

We've cut hospitalizations in half since Jan 28th. Hopefully the Super Bowl parties or new strains don't come along and screw it up.

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Just now, DallasDMac said:

We've cut hospitalizations in half since Jan 28th. Hopefully the Super Bowl parties or new strains don't come along and screw it up.

I dont know your area, but i have been hearing those warnings for a long time in WI. 

Our peak was before thanksgiving, which came and went. Then xmas, then new years. 

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27 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

We've cut hospitalizations in half since Jan 28th. Hopefully the Super Bowl parties or new strains don't come along and screw it up.

The UK strain already came through IMO, we've only begun to catch up on the genome testing the rest of the first world has been doing for months.

 

Why haven't we had any US variants? Because we haven't been looking for them.

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49 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

I dont know your area, but i have been hearing those warnings for a long time in WI. 

Our peak was before thanksgiving, which came and went. Then xmas, then new years. 

We had pretty big spikes for all of those.

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17 hours ago, Doug B said:

When you say this ... what direction are you thinking of?

a) The U.S. picks up East Asian masking norms when sniffly/coughing, and also picks up a firm ethic to not work through colds (IOW, treat common-cold symptoms like nausea where "everyone understands" why you stayed home and aren't milking it). Hard coughing on public transportation, say, is treated like puking onto the bus floor -- you move heaven and earth to avoid it.

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b) 6-foot social distancing and double-masking in public forevermore -- absolutely never a return to "2019 normal."
 

Or something else?

I can foresee some level of change ... at the same time, it's hard to imagine that a sense of "2019 normal" never, ever returns to American society.

Hopefully at least a) + more working from home.

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I gotta say that the vaccine rollout happened at just the right time. I’ve had numerous people tell me that they were going wait to get the vaccine until a friend got it or saw how overloaded the hospitals were. I don’t if demand would have been so high if the rollout would have happened now with numbers falling drastically after the holidays. It’s still a worry that demand may fall off but at least we got a lot of the highest risk population vaccinated which should keep hospitalizations and deaths on a downward track.

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TL:DR - wife has COVID, still symptomatic, mom/dad tested positive but doing better, me and kids negative

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Whew.  Been a whirlwind of a week or so in the nirad3 household.  As I mentioned way upthread, my wife was given a positive test result and has been feeling lousy since.  Mainly just fatigued, but still has no taste/smell.  She can actually taste grapes, of all things, though. 

She started to feel a bit better, so we decided to move forward with our trip to the SoCal mountains (Big Bear) to stay at my buddy's cabin.  I had informed him of my wife's diagnosis and he was OK with us staying there.  Shrug.

So last Wednesday we head up (2 hour trip) and halfway up the mountain my wife starts to get anxious about going.  She realizes the thinner air up in the mountains could be a bad thing.  So we took her home and I turned around and headed back up with my kids.  All three of us had no symptoms at all (except for one day my daughter felt a little "sniffly") so we figured we could stay away from my wife for a few days and enjoy the snow.  My wife had bought snowboarding lessons for my almost-10-year-old daughter and really wanted her to go and experience it.

And then turns out both my mom and dad tested positive.  Not good, especially since my dad's in chemotherapy.   We gave thought of coming home Thursday but none of us felt bad at all (yes I realize you can be asymptomatic).  Decided to stay.  

Wife started feeling a little better.  Still fatigued and loss of taste/smell, but better.  Mom and dad also started feeling better.

Get home on Saturday and I start getting a bit of a headache and congestion.  Uh oh.  I got tested Sunday, and got the kids rapid tested yesterday.  They were both negative, and I just got my results:  also negative.  

Probably a good idea that I got my kids out of the infected house for four days.

So glad my dad - especially - is feeling better.  Doctor gave him and my mom z-packs for their symptoms, and those helped tremendously.

Stay safe and healthy, everyone!

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My round 2 shot delayed again, this time until Sunday. That puts me within three days of the six week CDC limit. Admittedly I am worried about if I will truly have 95% protection after 5 1/2 weeks between doses. Of course if the entire Texas grid crashes, it may not be a factor.

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1 hour ago, DallasDMac said:

My round 2 shot delayed again, this time until Sunday. That puts me within three days of the six week CDC limit. Admittedly I am worried about if I will truly have 95% protection after 5 1/2 weeks between doses. Of course if the entire Texas grid crashes, it may not be a factor.

Pfizer or Moderna? Just curious because I hadn’t heard the 6 week limit before.

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8 hours ago, nirad3 said:

TL:DR - wife has COVID, still symptomatic, mom/dad tested positive but doing better, me and kids negative

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Whew.  Been a whirlwind of a week or so in the nirad3 household.  As I mentioned way upthread, my wife was given a positive test result and has been feeling lousy since.  Mainly just fatigued, but still has no taste/smell.  She can actually taste grapes, of all things, though. 

She started to feel a bit better, so we decided to move forward with our trip to the SoCal mountains (Big Bear) to stay at my buddy's cabin.  I had informed him of my wife's diagnosis and he was OK with us staying there.  Shrug.

So last Wednesday we head up (2 hour trip) and halfway up the mountain my wife starts to get anxious about going.  She realizes the thinner air up in the mountains could be a bad thing.  So we took her home and I turned around and headed back up with my kids.  All three of us had no symptoms at all (except for one day my daughter felt a little "sniffly") so we figured we could stay away from my wife for a few days and enjoy the snow.  My wife had bought snowboarding lessons for my almost-10-year-old daughter and really wanted her to go and experience it.

And then turns out both my mom and dad tested positive.  Not good, especially since my dad's in chemotherapy.   We gave thought of coming home Thursday but none of us felt bad at all (yes I realize you can be asymptomatic).  Decided to stay.  

Wife started feeling a little better.  Still fatigued and loss of taste/smell, but better.  Mom and dad also started feeling better.

Get home on Saturday and I start getting a bit of a headache and congestion.  Uh oh.  I got tested Sunday, and got the kids rapid tested yesterday.  They were both negative, and I just got my results:  also negative.  

Probably a good idea that I got my kids out of the infected house for four days.

So glad my dad - especially - is feeling better.  Doctor gave him and my mom z-packs for their symptoms, and those helped tremendously.

Stay safe and healthy, everyone!

Glad that things aren't super serious for you and the family. 

Not trying to be a jerk here, but did you or your kids go out to the mountain, get snowboarding lessons, maybe rented gear or at least spent time in a lodge, even to visit the restroom without a confirmed negative test result?

I'm glad it seems that none of you were carriers because you may exposed many people otherwise. 

If you already had the negative test results before breaking isolation, disregard the above. 

Getting the positive case isolated was a good idea, but going out in public after a known positive exposure is a very bad idea. 

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Vaccines availability in pharmacies (and possibly other places) could be sporadic with the current plans. 

Until recently states received allotments from the federal government and distributed as needed. Last week the federal government started sending allotments directly to pharmacies to expand the reach, which undoubtedly is a good thing. Communication has been bad thus far and we really are not sure what to expect. We were in the first tier and received 100 doses last week but no word on this week.

Their expectation is that the doses sent will be used within 7 days. The expectation is that there will be regular weekly deliveries. The problem is that any delay will leave pharmacies without vaccine and unable schedule appointments ahead of time without the risk of having to cancel them. They do schedule an allotment for a 2nd dose in 4 weeks.  Our county is going to a similar requirement for any future. We will be supplied week to week with little flexibility.

We’re also seeing another difficulty that will come with retail locations and that’s the 2 dose requirement and limited appointment capacity. We just started our first full week of second appointments. On Thursday and Friday we added some 1st doses but other than that the next 3 weeks will just be 2nd doses. I had to tell my staff today not to send anyone to our scheduling site anymore because there would not be any appointments for awhile. We just lowered down to 65+ and we’re gonna need to send them looking elsewhere. This will be a continuous problem of finding a pharmacy that’s doing 1st doses.

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1 hour ago, Biff84 said:

Pfizer or Moderna? Just curious because I hadn’t heard the 6 week limit before.

Pfizer. 6 week max came right from the CDC page. Which is not to say I am even remotely confident in it. But it is what San Antonio Health is operating off of.

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4 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

My round 2 shot delayed again, this time until Sunday. That puts me within three days of the six week CDC limit. Admittedly I am worried about if I will truly have 95% protection after 5 1/2 weeks between doses. Of course if the entire Texas grid crashes, it may not be a factor.

Mine is set for Thursday, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to cancel it and hope they can get me in next week. More ice coming for us tonight and everything is already pretty much shut down. :censored:

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11 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

Pfizer. 6 week max came right from the CDC page. Which is not to say I am even remotely confident in it. But it is what San Antonio Health is operating off of.

I think that's likely based on what the Phase 3 data had for the bound on the 2nd dose.  I highly, highly doubt that you would be excluded from getting the 2nd dose outside of that 6 week window.  However, the efficacy of that treatment regime is unknown.  But, I would think that the efficacy of a late 2nd dose is still going to be better than no 2nd dose (not a doctor).

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Now that the focus seems to be on COVID spread by droplets in the air, are fecal clouds no longer a concern? Haven't heard anything on that front for a while and was in a public restroom today. Fecal clouds? Anyone?

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10 hours ago, soothsayer said:

Now that the focus seems to be on COVID spread by droplets in the air, are fecal clouds no longer a concern? Haven't heard anything on that front for a while and was in a public restroom today. Fecal clouds? Anyone?

The probability is low, however aerosols from someone in there before you coughing or talking on their phone could linger.

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On 2/16/2021 at 10:58 PM, Nathan R. Jessep said:

Mine is set for Thursday, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to cancel it and hope they can get me in next week. More ice coming for us tonight and everything is already pretty much shut down. :censored:

Update. Called this AM and the store isn't even open, but they have someone manning the phones. Good news! They are holding the second doses for everyone and when they reopen they will be calling to reschedule those appointments. Whew!

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Seems unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but I just got an email that the Ivies have cancelled all spring sports (fall/winter were already shut down).

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17 minutes ago, jobarules said:

NYC changed guidance to recommend wearing 2 masks (a cloth one over a disposable one). Ridiculous

Be a trendsetter, wear a gaitor over all of it and goggles.

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1 hour ago, beer 30 said:

Be a trendsetter, wear a gaitor over all of it and goggles.

Why not add a face shield to all of that too?  

That said, I do see a lot of medical professionals going with the surgical mask plus face shield....

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2 hours ago, jobarules said:

NYC changed guidance to recommend wearing 2 masks (a cloth one over a disposable one). Ridiculous

They just added a paragraph to the guidance, they aren't requiring it. Here's the paragraph they added:

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How do I wear two face coverings? Wearing two face coverings can provide you and others with added protection by increasing the number of layers of material and making for a snugger fit. When wearing two face coverings, consider the following: • Use one cloth face covering and one disposable mask. The disposable mask should be worn underneath and the cloth face covering on top. • Do not use two disposable masks. • Do not use a face covering over or under a KN95 mask. A KN95 should be worn alone.

 

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My in-laws have a 50 year anniversary and it was previously decided we'd celebrate in the early summer. Well, my wife got a call yesterday and plans changed, they are now planning a 14-20 person (that we know of) celebration at a restaurant Sunday - against state restrictions. Not that restaurants in their county care about such things re: the overblown pandemic, GB rural counties. Major guilt trip laid how my wife is the only child not coming, that it's harmful to social development of our own children to keep them isolated from cousins, etc. Wife has been crying off and on for 2 days. It bothers me a lot, since my folks have passed and have really considered these otherwise awesome in-laws my own family. I can't help picturing us being a significant talking point during the gathering, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to move past my own resentment for being put in this position. Not sure why I'm posting; I just don't have a lot of other conduits for this grief since I'm doing my best to downplay it talking with the wife for obvious reasons. 

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In MN, you can register for the vaccine. It wont do anything for you other than you'll get notified when your turn is up. I cant for the life of me figure out why sexual orientation is one of the required fields? 

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8 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

Are the masks lots of NCAA coaches are wearing just made of mesh?

These ?

From what I have heard from a few that have them...quite comfortable.  How effective they are...I don't know.  I have read a few reviews that are pretty positive.

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