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Yeah, that’s silly. The vaccine isn’t 100% effective, and I believe none of the breakthrough cases were particularly sick - even if they were, I’ll take those numbers.
I wouldn't mess with signing up as someone else.OrganizedChaos said:
I meant signing her up for her appointment. I might get up at midnight to sign up but my wife won’t and we want to get her vaccinated first. Looks like most sites allow you to sign up someone else for their shot but a couple require you to be registered on their site and looks like they use that information to determine if eligible.
Right. And it’s not sterilizing.
Maybe, but what is the venn diagram of anti vax and people already doing whatever they want?
I am going to see my parents and pregnant sister for easter. Then like all of april I have appointments I have held off of (haircut, massage, dentist, dermatologist) and some interior home stuff (bathroom estimates, interior designer). Then May I intend to return to the gym and I have brunch reservations. Probably will stick to outside dining until summer when things are a little better statistically still, having young kids, with one potentially higher risk. Expect that I will be back in the office-hybrid and on public transit in August. Probably masked on the train though is my expectation.
Wife is vaccinated...I get my 2nd shot this coming Wednesday. Step mother is fully vaccinated. She is coming to visit in May after not seeing her since December 2019. She is definitely excited to see us and her oldest grandkids.
Was just about to post something similar. We knew these vaccines weren’t 100% effective. The only news is that this is proceeding as we would have expected based on the efficacy of the vaccines. They are working in line with expectations. THAT should be the news.
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I think projected efficacy was 94% anc israel is seeing something like 97%. IMO That is absolutely remarkable given how quickly these were created.
The sterilizing aspect is up for debate. Several ongoing studies are showing marked reductions in symptomatic and asymptomatic transmission
Yes, great data coming from Israel with high vaccination penetration. This still is more like a flu shot than a measles shot though. Just a really good one that hopefully just turns this into an uncommon cold (like how the russian “flu” of the 1800s is now our basic corona virus common cold).
Yup.
Since we know folks will continue to get it we should still pay attention to new cases but really focus in on hospitalizations. Theoretically the avg. age of new cases should be dropping and hospitalizations should continue to go down. If that does happen then I agree that flat new case numbers isn't a huge concern at the moment but would be in say a month or two.
The CDC doesn't use worldometer, their data shows the 7 day average is up over 10% in the last week. Hospitalizations also up some.
What data are they using? Why is their data so different?
Same with Florida (April 5th) and includes down to 16 y.o. for the Pfizer vaccine only.jobarules said:
The culmination of downplaying science and education in the name of politics over the last 10+ years. Sad.
Seems very dramatic if you ask me. If the vast majority of "at-risk" people are getting vaccinated, than covid-19 is getting less dangerous every single week. We know covid will never be 100% eradicated. But at some point "case counts" will not be nearly as important as they were a year ago.jobarules said:
well I think the point is that the less circulating in the population, the less likely there is an eventual mutation that slips past the current vaccine iteration. We are going to need boosters, I assume, but rather them be yearly or longer, than every 6 months.
Yep. Heck, the much ballyhooed Spanish Flu never went away. It just got a rebrand as H1N1 and comes back with some frequency -- including the well-known 2009 H1N1 epidemic in the U.S. The media wasn't reporting "cumulative Spanish Flu cases since 1918" even though it was the same virus.
Yea. I am with this. And the Russian Flu is basically the common cold now. Which this will maybe eventually become to an extent. But we need the daily counts down to a more reasonable baseline --50,000+ isn't good; we need to be at 10,000 or less. Vaccinations over 50% will help get us there. If unvaccinated folks can just chill out for 2-3 more months, be patient, and get their shots, we can be mostly back to normal.
Even if they've had COVID already, I can't imagine being over 65 and skipping the vaccine (unless you have health issues that make the vaccine dangerous).
Assuming the vaccines work, and it looks like they do, the daily counts are going to go down very soon regardless of how many cases/day are out there now. It's just a matter of getting everyone vaccinated.
Agree with the bolded.
What health issues outside of allergies can be dangerous?
Probably certain auto-immune conditions and being allergic to the lipids the mRNA is encapsulated in.
No idea. I’m not a medical doctor or an epidemiologist.
At this point, though, I don't understand why I'm supposed to care if some jackass declines vaccination. That's his problem, not mine.
I don’t want people to die because they’ve been misinformed or misled by others.
Also, the more people get vaccinated the more likely some of those misinformed will change their minds.
I dont want them to die either, but I also dont want them to limit what I am able to do or if kids can go to school or any number of other things.
Oh, I agree with this wholeheartedly. We should absolutely be pushing vaccination.
Because of the high risk people who cannot get the vaccine or people like my friend's dad who has leukemia and the vaccine is much less effective for. And future mutation risk that could cause short term shutdowns again -- the good news is these vaccines are so good and the mRNA can be tweaked and produced in a faster manner that we won't need a whole year on lockdown for this one again.
Which "Russian flu" do you mean? The 1889-90 one or the 1977 one? The 1977 one was also H1N1. The older one, yeah, is a nagging cold these days.
1889. Originally thought to be a flu, but turns out the novel coronavirus of its time. Also likely from a bat.
As expected, this means that you definitely want to get both shots, but you have very good immunity a couple of weeks after the first shot. (This has been common knowledge for quite a while now, but it's nice to see confirmation).
