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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (21 Viewers)
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BigJim®
Footballguy
I actually don't remember 100% effective claims being hyped. My recall was early on Moderna/Pfizer were <> 85% pretty much out of the gates when I was trying to figure out J&J vs. MRNA varieties in March. I would not say I "don't like" the tweet, but it does cause an "ok, and, so what... ??" reaction. I just wish people who put this much energy into undermining vaccination put that energy to better use.
skol asylum
Footballguy
BinaxNow test came back negative, assuming I did it right. Probably didn't do a full 15 seconds in each nostril as it was pretty uncomfortable for her.
skol asylum
Footballguy
One of the most misleading things I've seen.
1) The OG vaccines were not said to maintain their efficacy forever.
2) They were developed against existing strains, not Delta and others to come.
Try again.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Let me guess, you are still anti science and think the vaxx is better than NI. And getting a vax that isn't sterilizing is better than NI?You mean this one, where the actual author of the study says that the Anti-Vaxx crowd is misinterpreting his paper?
The one that's getting dismantled pretty badly as "Hot Garbage" by the scientific community?
That one?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Ideally you do another 24 hours later. Two negatives and you can be pretty confident you are negative.
skol asylum
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I been tested 4 times. My whole family was positive and I was negative but the woman barely put the swaab deep. To do the test right, put it in as far as you can in your nose slowly stopping when its feeling uncomfortable.
This was done a few days later and I was Positive.
They tested me the other two times after this way and negative. GL.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
I think so. She says she feels much better. Fever is gone and lingering sinuses. Wants to go to school tomorrow. Missed out today as she made the 7th grade softball team and the first practice was this morning before school. Practice again in the morning. See how she feels in the morning.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So, my neighbor's kid was sent home yesterday as a close contact to a positive covid case (the neighbor sits in front of the covid kid in class). My kids were over the neighbor's house on Thursday playing basketball outside. Neighbor's kid told my wife he has a sore throat and cough and has had trouble sleeping since Saturday. The kid's mom texted my wife that "he was fine" this morning though. They won't test him until Thursday because they apparently recommend waiting X days since exposure to test. Neighbor sent the sibling to school today . . . .
Waiting so long on the kid's vaccine was such a mistake. Either get that approved by September, or delay in-person school for a few months. So dumb.
Waiting so long on the kid's vaccine was such a mistake. Either get that approved by September, or delay in-person school for a few months. So dumb.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Two options:
1. Do nothing and hope that the proteins targeted by your immune system don't change or go away in the virus leaving you to have to build immunity again.
OR
2. Get the vaccine that targets the protein least likely to change and become undetectable and have that protein covered plus the proteins your body's targeted naturally.
Of course the more proteins you body has a record of to get rid of reduces your chances of getting the virus by a lot, but I know that doesn't seem to matter to some.
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gianmarco
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IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Got the Moderna booster Monday afternoon. Shoulder was sore as #### the next day and still is. And now my lymph nodes are going off. Much moreso on the side I got the shot. No biggie, just passing it along.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Maybe this is part of why the booster is a half-dose, as opposed to the full dose that is supposed to only be for immunocompromised.
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Insoxicated
Ha! One of us is Anti-Science and it ain't me GB. Been posting studies/research in here since day one.
The science points out Vaxx vs Natural Infection is very close and varies case by case.... except for one KEY factor that some folks seem DESPERATE to ignore:
To get Vax-induced immunity, you go get a free shot, have a sore arm and are groggy for a day or two.... with an infinitesimal risk of significant side effects.
To get Natural Immunity, you're exposed to the live virus, many will at least have terrible symptoms for a week or more (Most folks I hear describe it as "The worst I've felt in ages")... and you run a moderate risk of long term side effects including brain damage, fatigue, major organ issues, erectile disfunction, etc.... not to mention the financial hit of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills and/or death.
I'll take door #1.
Annnnd.... while the Vax is not fully sterilizing (a silly straw man), it HAS all but proven to have the significant advantage of a shortened duration of being contagious (vs natural infection, which also is not sterilizing
). Anyone willfully choosing Door #2 is either acting on bad information or has some bizarre agenda in play.
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Insoxicated
I see you're still getting your research from here. I'll give you credit.. at least you're consistent
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ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So. Delta-Plus now at 8% of the cases in the UK. Something to start worrying about here soon?
fatness
Footballguy
I like to look at sources. In this case, the source has a longrunning page of outright falsehood, misinformation, unsourced stories, and drawing definite conclusions from a tad of information. https://twitter.com/ke11ybender
Let's look at the first one:
If you want to scare and misiform someone, send them to that site.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
A study in @Nature shows the rise and fall of 71 different SARS-CoV-2 lineages in England between September 2020 and June 2021, which demonstrates the role of different variants during the course of the COVID-19 pandemic.
go.nature.com/3AVOw62
go.nature.com/3AVOw62
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I had door 2 when door 1 wasn't a door. Then the likes of you all here attacked me to go through door one after. That is anti science.Ha! One of us is Anti-Science and it ain't me GB. Been posting studies/research in here since day one.
The science points out Vaxx vs Natural Infection is very close and varies case by case.... except for one KEY factor that some folks seem DESPERATE to ignore:
To get Vax-induced immunity, you go get a free shot, have a sore arm and are groggy for a day or two.... with an infinitesimal risk of significant side effects.
To get Natural Immunity, you're exposed to the live virus, many will at least have terrible symptoms for a week or more (Most folks I hear describe it as "The worst I've felt in ages")... and you run a moderate risk of long term side effects including brain damage, fatigue, major organ issues, erectile disfunction, etc.... not to mention the financial hit of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills and/or death.
I'll take door #1.
Annnnd.... while the Vax is not fully sterilizing (a silly straw man), it HAS all but proven to have the significant advantage of a shortened duration of being contagious (vs natural infection, which also is not sterilizing
Anyone willfully choosing Door #2 is either acting on bad information or has some bizarre agenda in play.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
So this magic vaccine that has part of the virus that's goal is to stimulate your immune system to protect you has better long lasting effects than fighting off the virus. Totally makes sense.
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Maelstrom
Footballguy
No, not really. From what they've seen so far, you still have a better chance of re-contracting Covid if you had it previously compared to those who are vaccinated. In addition, you get better immunity by having had Covid AND getting a proven and safe vaccine. The more you know! (And yes, they need to keep studying everything, that should be a given with ALL science based arguments.)
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-if-already-had-covid
The Commish
Footballguy
I am shocked that I said the words you quoted and you translated them to this....shocked!!!
Length of protection lies specifically in the ability of tour immune system. Its staggering what people think these vaccines actually DO.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Who is Mayo Clinic staff? You go to the CDC website and search that question and it says rare chance. You go to CDC website and ask about if you got the vaxx can you get covid and they never say rare and its a freaking marketing campaign.
top dog
Footballguy
In other news.. It looks like Russia's misinformation campaign on vaccines in the west being dangerous has backfired resulting in many of their folks refusing the vaccine...
https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/moscow-to-shut-shops-schools-as-covid-19-deaths-soar/
https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/moscow-to-shut-shops-schools-as-covid-19-deaths-soar/
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Two things, the page was just a summary of the current medical knowledge per recent studies. And the video featured Andrew Bradley, MD, an infectious disease specialist.
https://www.mayo.edu/research/faculty/badley-andrew-d-m-d/bio-00026694
The links you share contradict your assertions anyways if you read the entirety of the pages.
SpurrierisisGod
Footballguy
Whoa. The Vax has the actual virus in it it? Game changer...
I mean, everyone gets the flu from the flu shot right?
I mean, everyone gets the flu from the flu shot right?
SpurrierisisGod
Footballguy
If I find out there are aborted fetuses in the Vax, I'm gonna need someone come with me to explain to st Michael I genuinley didn't know and please let me through those pearly gates.
The Commish
Footballguy
That's PART of what I said. The full thought was "Once you're vaxxed your chances of getting covid are low with the variants we know about. That could change in the future if we get other variants". Nice try though. Fishing belongs in the PSF.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have a single gene from the virus. And it actually trains your body specifically to target the spike protein of the virus which the body’s natural immune response might not do. That could potentially make the vaccines more effective against most/all variants is the virus than the body’s natural immune response which could be more limited.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
~Arthur C. Clarke
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Insoxicated
I said to get antibodies checked... if you don't have any, you need to get vaxxed. If you still have sufficient antibodies, you don't need to get vaxxed.
That is a sound, scientifically backed approach. We have antibody tests. This isn't hard.
fatness
Footballguy
You want to explain what is on both those pages that you find significant? Or are we just supposed to go "ooooooh, he has links, must be right"?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
There is no point now.
Get as many kids vaxxed as we can. Get your booster as soon as you can, and as recommended going forward. Then let the mandates, employers, industries, and Darwin deal with the rest.
Doug B
Footballguy
Same boat, but I want a Moderna booster. Seems that Moderna "won" the Best In Show for the initial set of vaccines, and I'm happy to stick with more of the same. Kinda wish the Moderna booster was the full 100 micrograms, though, instead of the 50 mcg.
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
Team Moderna (7 1/2 months out from last dose) with no natural infection super immunity, however I do like the idea of a variety in vaccine types.
I'm in a low risk job and low-ish risk lifestyle. My main concern is a breakthrough case potentially spreading to my 10 year old, but that looks to be finally resolved in a few weeks (by the time the booster would take hold).
It's great to have options (including deciding it's not needed at this time).
