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No the ‘wailing about incompetence’ is because what I am seeing. Phase 1A for healthcare workers is suffering from poor organization and many are having trouble scheduling an appointment not because the appointments are full but due to not knowing how to schedule an appointment or receiving the proper authorization. Appointment slots are going unused.
Just seems way, way too early to even begin thinking about conclusions. It's all "... there are questions ...", "... there are worries ..." These articles smell slanted for sensationalism. Not enough is known yet to skip straight to the "sowing fear" part of the program.
While I agree, I also think this thread is the place for discussion of developing issues/components of this outbreak. If they're correct on mutations to the protein spike that the vaccine binds to, it certainly would seem like it COULD be an issue.
This is gonna be like the flu eventually where we are getting vaccinated once a year for the most prevalent strains of the virus but other strains are unprotected.
Discussing it here is fine of course but these kind of sensational articles are going to prevent people from getting the vaccine and lead to more misinformation and deaths. Just a never-ending circle of suck. God I hate the internet.
The collective pool of things I have read thus far, including Icon's links above and several others posted earlier in the thread, seem to point to thinking the vaccine should still be effective against the new "UK" strain. But until we can know that more definitively, the more concerning part for now is that the new variant is almost certainly (drawing from the data collected thus far) 50-75% more transmissable, so it's sprinting whereas the old variant was wreaking all this havoc at just a hard jog.Doug B said:
I do agree. I expect sensationalism stuff from fringe sources like World News Daily or OANN, but these were CNBC and NY Post so I gave them a little more credibility.Capella said:
How?? I just spent 2 hours on the phone for the lady to pick up and tell me their website is down.
I hate this state so much.
That would be rad. Still have time to manufacture/distribute... but if we can safely eliminate the federal red tape from the equation... that would cut the delivery time in half if not thirds.
I dunno, they got in line last week or something. I didn't get specifics, but was pleasantly surprised they were getting it given most of their friend group are guys who were in the Trump Boat rallies. Their neighbors are good folks but haven't exactly been in lockstep with science on this whole thing.How?? I just spent 2 hours on the phone for the lady to pick up and tell me their website is down.
There is no news anymore, only clickbait.Doug B said:
Yep.
I mean the whole concept was that we would someday need coverage for something quite bad that had 3-4 mutations that needed protection from. At exactly the same time.
Well, that’s not great. Hopefully this will be much ado about nothing, like concerns about reinfection and non durable immunity appear to be so far.Don Hutson said:
Shows how much I know...but you bolded to relevant parts.[icon] said:
Don’t have it handy, but convalescent plasma data looks worse over time. It’s still being used though.
Re: plasma
That particular article is a good read. I am wondering if it is very slightly dated -- it's from December 23rd, and treats the UK variant and the South Africa variant as one in the same strain. More recent readings (e.g. the ones linked in this thread this morning) treat the two variants as completely different animals. I assume information about both is still being collected and evaluated.
To be clear when I asked last night I had no idea this article exists. A buddy texted me this am out of coincidence.
I’m glad you could educate me. We’re all learning on the fly, so there’s no shame in being wrong periodically. Hopefully, the guys who think the S African strain is resistant to the vaccine can make mistakes too.To be clear when I asked last night I had no idea this article exists. A buddy texted me this am out of coincidence.
My understanding is that this is not known because the vaccine trials did not test volunteers regularly for COVID, they only tracked when participants self-reported symptomatic cases. So, while it is very clear from the results that the vaccines reduce symptomatic cases dramatically, it is unproven whether that reduction means complete immunity. There may be some undetected asymptomatic cases, which could potentially mean they could give the disease to others. I don't personally believe the risk is very high, but there isn't good data yet.
Given that none of the vaccines are perfect, nobody should be returning to normal life until we reach at least 70-80% of the population vaccinated. I’m not an expert, but that’s what every expert has been saying — we can’t go “back to normal” for a long time still.
I think if you were in a room with 100% vaccinated people and someone had contracted it even with the vax, the odds that you would A) Transmit it and B) cause a serious case are next to zero. That's the "back to normal".
Your first preposition isn't ever going to be reality. It isn't the case even now with polio etc.
Very hard to get any data on transmission until we have a much higher vaccination number. We might be able to get some kind of idea based on the spread in certain settings where vaccinations are high like nursing homes and hospital staff. But in the general population right now it’s the equivalent of a couple people in a Walmart wearing masks and deciding if masks help stop the spread.
Do you mean that at that point we should just open everything completely?
Eh... the kicker with polio is that it is effectively eradicated in the Americas. Sure there are people that never got vaccinated or the vaccine didn't confer the requisite immunity, but the chance of one particular person catching polio inside the USA is effectively zero right now. That doesn't mean that we as a population should stop vaccinations though, because if enough people go unvaccinated and concentrate in a particular place, polio could rip through that community. Unless you are in Pakistan or Afghanistan, it would likely be from a vaccine derived polio virus (VDPV).
In my state pretty much everything is open completely(if they want). Some counties still have restrictions, but there isn't much I already can't do. It just means at least for me, I will actually start doing it instead of avoiding it.
I think everyone is looking at a mask situation at least until the summer. The hope I would feel is they mix this in with the flu shot for 2022 flu season and just catch the stragglers at that point, and we are done with this thing.
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