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No one. I'd listen to him better than Trump has, along with other experts.
Not tying it to employment is a big thing. Singapore doesn't really have a single-payer, but has done well in this crisis too. Not sure their system would work here.
I think it was raised, but I'll say this - I'm glad the office will still exist. We can deal with getting the information and detail later. The last time Trump tried this he got impeached.
The guidance from the government is that you know your State and citizens the best. Trump mentioned a three State quarantine and Gov. Cuomo said it was not "legal" and amounted to a "declaration of war" on the States. I can't imagine the push-back on doing a national quarantine. I will also tell you about the leadership here in Pennsylvania. Last August in Philadelphia we lost Hahnemann Hospital. Neither the City nor the State did anything to prevent the closing of the hospital. Hundreds of doctors, nurses and medical support staff have been displaced and/or moved to different areas. This past week the City tried to get the owner of the building to reopen it as an overflow facility and those negotiations failed. If there is a shortage of beds, medical staff or equipment here, I have a hard time blaming that on the Federal Government. State and local governments can't spend years debilitating their medical capabilities and then blame the Federal Government when they need those same capabilities. The Federal Government should not have to provide a bulk of the medical capabilities, they should be there to support and fill in the gaps where needed. But so far what we're seeing in New York is the gap is the size of the Grand Canyon. That's the failure of the State and Local governments and I'm pretty sure with the awful leadership we have here in Pennsylvania, we're going to be in trouble in about 2 or 3 weeks.
It's funny, one thing Cuomo pointed out is that Trump used the word "quarantine" when in fact it was not a quarantine, it was a proposed lockdown, which is different. A quarantine would mean essentially a shelter in place order. Just 1 reason among many about how bad this was.
Why is it a failure of government that we don't have enough medical facilities? Government doesn't run healthcare in this country. Maybe we are finding out that trusting for profit companies to provide healthcare is a mistake.
After Katrina there developed this argument here about (what else) who was to "blame". One major argument centered around the local levee boards - notoriously corrupt do-nothing entities, and at one point the Orleans levee board & SWB had ordered a dredging of the 17th Street Canal, and in addition they had not been maintaining the levees (things like keeping tree stumps and debris out of them that kind of thing). Meanwhile the Feds for years had apparently been underdesigning and underbuilding per design the levees themselves. Back and forth it went, back and forth it went, these arguments. - You'll never guess what the truth was: all the entities had failed.
Id opine based on history that it was even less Fauci and more public backlash. How often has he floated these little things and gotten massive backlash and backed off of them? Things that any expert would have told him was a bad idea but he says it anyway? And Im talking even before Covid.
Guy I used to work with is a hard core trumper and posted on linked in about how it was 100% effective treatment and couldn’t believe our governor was denying access
This is one of the many moments that he accuses someone of something he would do, were he in their position.
All things considered I think PA Gov has done just about as good as they can. But I live in rural PA. Things are much different in Philly I can imagine.
Word from the front line workers is that things are starting to get bad now and it is expected to get exponentially worse in the coming weeks. We're probably a couple weeks behind New York. Large metropolitan areas are going to be hit hard.
Not sure I follow this response as it pertains to the question. So before I go down this path, when you say "receive State funding" are you referring to grants? If not, are their "strings attached" where the government specifies limited uses for the money? I have a couple thoughts on this as my wife has worked with these large research hospitals for years and we were talking about this last night, but want to make sure we're on the same page first.
wow, that sounds awful. Thank you to your wife, can't imagine what that must be like.
Apologies...I'm not trying to change what you said. I'm saying what you said isn't all that meaningful without the context. That's all. It means little to look at a raw number without the context of the population when determining "success". You seemed to suggest in your very initial post that I replied to that the US was "better" at the testing and it meant something meaningful that we had tested the "most" (though we hadn't) because 400K > 300K. If that's not what you were saying, I misunderstood and now wonder what point you were attempting to make.
Here is an article that gives a high level overview of the Temple Health Systems:
TBH I don't really know what I was replying to at the time. I don't disagree that per capita will be a better judge. We just can't do it now because of the reasons already stated.
Sure we can....we just have to understand that when looking at the numbers we understand that different countries are at different points. It's meaningful with context. What isn't meaningful is raw numbers with no context. For example, Friday, it was meaningful that the US had tested about 400-500K people total while Germany was testing 500K a week. It helps us assess where we're at in handling this. Reading what your wife is going through, it would help her understand where she's at and when they can start looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.
I guess this is what I get for jumping into a discussion mid discussion....I'll bow out. I don't see how any of this has anything to do with blaming the governments for decisions the private companies make with respect to how they spend the money that government gives them. Unless there are strings attached (which is why I asked my questions above) it makes no sense to me.
We are at the beginning here. Right now she is attending patients and finding out 3 days later that they were positive for COVID19. They're required to wear masks and goggles to protect them. These Abbott test should hopefully help keep a larger portion of the front-line workers from contracting this all at once. They are triaging outside in temporary tents so if they can isolate the COVID patients before they make their way into the ER then it should help prevent the spread to the workers (well, not the ones who have to treat the positives).
Hey @tonydead, I posted about the deaths of 500 Americans and your reaction was to laugh? I guess we just have different senses of humor.
I love the first response (from a self-described "Liberty Junky"). Wonder how he felt when quarantining his state was being discussed.
No. Local governments are fully capable and have been doing most of the heavy lifting without meaningful federal, and, in many cases, State support, but the feds can play a very important role..
The $500 million is mostly targeted to airlines to ensure they keep their employees employed. $350 will be forgivable loans to small businesses. The rest is targeted to hospitals as well as state and local governments. Seems like a good balance with the stuff targeted to large businesses will need to be paid back.
I agree. Would have preferred to see some more restrictions on the corporate money to ensure it is used in ways that benefit the economy as a whole, but on balance I think this law will do a lot of good.
The small business money should help people stay employed. The corporate money should do the same. I don’t know what the limitations are though.
