matuski
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I am not sure what this has to do with the ridiculousness of promoting inflated numbers (that were known to be inflated by design).
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matuski
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Those numbers came from a model that prompted Trump, and then many reluctant governors, to change their mind on how to approach the pandemic.
I'd say the headlines were very useful in that regard.
matuski
Footballguy
They already are suing. The unions are already telling them to stay home.
If/When this happens, #### will hit the fan for real.
Not media scare tactics, real life. They can barely find people to do those jobs in the firstplace.
A vicious circle... the meatpacking plants are helpless to change anything.
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matuski
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[scooter]
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He's great at telling us how great he thinks he's gonna be in the future, and he's great at telling us how great he thinks he was in the past.
Meanwhile, he is completely screwing up everything right now.
(Bookmark this and check back in a month. He'll be claiming that his swift actions saved millions of lives in April.)
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matuski
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sho nuff
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matuski
Footballguy
Yes, they were. Let me know all the other times you supported using inflated - egregiously inflated - numbers.
James Daulton
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Ok, we'll end up with at least 100k dead with strict lockdown. Do you think that 1M or 2M dead with no lockdown is egregiously inflated?
Dude, I'm an electrician, not an epidemiologist or a statistician. But I know enough to know that with a novel virus where we have zero prior immunity, there's not a lot that can be ruled out, so let's drop the snark.
sho nuff
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JAA
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Are these numbers inflated also? Maybe the world is just making up dead people? Should we trademark “Corona Denier”?
https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c
sho nuff
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kwille
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This should stay on the current page. 1,000,000. One F'n Million. "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." Looks like we're at about 1,035,765 at the moment so take away 15 and that's about a cubic boatload more than 0. And this million + would have been exponentially larger without the massive sacrifice by many to stay the F at home.
tri-man 47
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A harsh assessment on CNN regarding the President's lack of attention to the President's Daily Brief.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
tri-man 47
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Oh, man, this is potentially like watching a Saw movie unfold before our eyes. I just cringe at the thought of any of the workers coming down with the virus and possibly dying. I get the supply chain issues and all. But to just mandate that they'll open? Not good. Why not fly out to visit some plants, see the conditions, and work for a reasonable resolution? (Test every worker every day? Work at half-pace/slow pace to ensure some distancing?) By simply issuing an executive order (around the time that the VP is prancing around Mayo with no mask) sends all the wrong signals. It sounds like the concern is liability issues ...not safety issues. Oh, man.
SaintsInDome2006
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Trump never did this. He said it several times that he did but his EO did not actually instruct or commandeer any company to make anything.
He's got us there. Airtight logic.
Unfortunately for Trump, the survival rate of every person living in the country will also go down to zero, ultimately. So exactly as much as he will deserve credit for the eventual vanquishing of the virus, he must also take responsibility for the deaths of 300 million Americans.
Roy L Fewks
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There are several key differences.
The first, and most obvious difference, is that the food industry has not run out of meat.
The second difference is that meat is not required to keep dying people alive.
The third difference is that ventilator factories are more sanitary than meat processing facilities.
The fourth difference is that Trump did not order ventilator manufacturers to stay open while flaunting local shelter-in-place ordinances.
I could probably come up with a few more differences but I believe my point has been made.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Look my good man, I'm on board with almost everything you posted, but the bolded does not qualify as a massive sacrifice. I'm in Seattle, I've been quarantined for 45-50ish days now (time gets a little fuzzy), and in no way do I feel like I've made a massive sacrifice. I'm laid off, and my social contacts are reduced to conversations where I walk to a friends house and we talk; me, on the sidewalk, whilst they stand on their front porch.
I can do this indefinitely. The biggest sacrifice I've made is having to eat my own cooking every night.
Rich Conway
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In fairness, the companies should be indemnified at this point (indemnified going forward, not for their actions so far). They don't have a choice. However, the employees should be able to sue the federal government and win.
Unfortunately, the employees can't really stay home. It would be construed as quitting and make them ineligible for unemployment.
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msommer
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msommer
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US status
1m+ cases, today likely breach 60K dead
#1 in total cases (if NY and NJ were separate countries they would be #1 and #8 respectively) *
# 16 in deaths per capita - the improvement from #14 is due to Isle of Man and Channel Islands each having one more person dead in the past day, propelling them ahead of US. if NY and NJ were separate countries they would be #2 and #3 respectively (behind only San Marino) **
#42 in tests per capita (if if RI and NY were separate countries they would be #10 and #12 respectively) - California still storming up the chart, closing in on the US average (if they were their own country they'd be 50th in testing per capita)
* About half of the world is not exactly doing great in testing or transparency (eiter or both) so there is that qualification
** Many stories of under reporting from e.g. Russia, UK, China, Iran, countries in Africa, Ecuador etc. So this is only among the transparent nations I'd say.
1m+ cases, today likely breach 60K dead
#1 in total cases (if NY and NJ were separate countries they would be #1 and #8 respectively) *
# 16 in deaths per capita - the improvement from #14 is due to Isle of Man and Channel Islands each having one more person dead in the past day, propelling them ahead of US. if NY and NJ were separate countries they would be #2 and #3 respectively (behind only San Marino) **
#42 in tests per capita (if if RI and NY were separate countries they would be #10 and #12 respectively) - California still storming up the chart, closing in on the US average (if they were their own country they'd be 50th in testing per capita)
* About half of the world is not exactly doing great in testing or transparency (eiter or both) so there is that qualification
** Many stories of under reporting from e.g. Russia, UK, China, Iran, countries in Africa, Ecuador etc. So this is only among the transparent nations I'd say.
The Commish
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Well, the BIGGEST difference IMO, is that Trump didn't actually use DPA to force companies to make masks and ventilators. He
about it but never actually DID it.
apalmer
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SaintsInDome2006
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James Daulton
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yak651
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Well that and I don't remember any mask or ventilator manufacturer reporting an outbreak of cases of their employees. Near Green Bay, 2 meat packing plants basically make up almost all the cases of positive test in Brown County. I would love to see Trump or Pence visit a meat packing plant, actually I don't wish that on anyone, never been to one but can smell from a distance when you drive byWell, the BIGGEST difference IMO, is that Trump didn't actually use DPA to force companies to make masks and ventilators. He
msommer
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Been to a few in my life, the worst (beef) is if they are producing halal meat for export to the Middle East. Blood, lots of bloodWell that and I don't remember any mask or ventilator manufacturer reporting an outbreak of cases of their employees. Near Green Bay, 2 meat packing plants basically make up almost all the cases of positive test in Brown County. I would love to see Trump or Pence visit a meat packing plant, actually I don't wish that on anyone, never been to one but can smell from a distance when you drive by
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Challenge Everything
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Are you in Green Bay? Is JBS Beef one of the ones involved? I don't live up there anymore but when the wind was blowing from one direction and they were slaughtering that day, you knew it from across the river. I know its a big plant but its right in the city with the Green Bay sprawl. Just nasty.Well that and I don't remember any mask or ventilator manufacturer reporting an outbreak of cases of their employees. Near Green Bay, 2 meat packing plants basically make up almost all the cases of positive test in Brown County. I would love to see Trump or Pence visit a meat packing plant, actually I don't wish that on anyone, never been to one but can smell from a distance when you drive by
We used to go to GB a couple of times a year - I always assumed the smell was from Ft. Howard.
Challenge Everything
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For the west side? Probably, but the JBS Beef is on Lime Kiln. 20 years ago, that beef plant was edge of what was on Lime Kiln... now you go south on that road toward 172 and you have all kinds of businesses. Not homes but business. That beef place would fill the east side like no other. I can't imagine now because there are more apartments and people around that area.
Amused to Death
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Germany's return to normal life in jeopardy after uptick in new coronavirus cases
Germany, one of the first European countries to cautiously loosen its coronavirus lockdown, is now facing the bleak prospect of having to restore the measures following a slight uptick in new infections.
Earlier this month, the country took its first step to gradually restart public life as the propagation rate of the virus fell.
In this March 24, 2020, file photo, a man jogs on the square in front of the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, Germany. As the restrictions are eased, Chancellor Angela Merkel has pointed to South Korea as an example of how Germany will have to improve measures to “get ahead” of the pandemic with more testing and tracking of cases so that the rate of infections can be slowed. (AP)
Small retailers with a surface area of up to 8,600 square feet, car and bicycle dealerships, as well as bookstores, were allowed to reopen while keeping social distancing in place. Next week, some students are expected to return to school.
All states are also moving ahead with regulations requiring protective masks in public transport, shops, or both.
But on Monday, the Robert Koch Institute revealed Germany had seen the first daily uptick in new cases in more than three days. It said the reproduction or infection rate had risen again to approximately 1.0, meaning each infected person passes the virus on to one other person.
When Germany, which was widely praised for its response to the pandemic, decided to lift some restrictions, the infection rate had fallen to 0.7.
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Merkel has warned Germany’s federal states against loosening their lockdowns too quickly, saying the pandemic was “still at the beginning.”
Last week she cautioned that, while the rate of new infections has been slowing, “we’re still walking on thin ice, one could also say the thinnest ice.”
“We’re not living in the final phase of the pandemic, but still at the beginning. We will be living with this virus for a long time.”
She added: “Let us not squander what we have achieved and risk a setback. It would be a shame if premature hope ultimately punishes us all. Let us all stay on the path in the next phase of the pandemic: smart and careful. It’s a long journey; we can’t run out of stamina and air too soon.”
Meanwhile, Germany announced Wednesday it was extending its worldwide travel warning until mid-June, saying the pandemic is too dire to change the guidance.
Germany, one of the first European countries to cautiously loosen its coronavirus lockdown, is now facing the bleak prospect of having to restore the measures following a slight uptick in new infections.
Earlier this month, the country took its first step to gradually restart public life as the propagation rate of the virus fell.
In this March 24, 2020, file photo, a man jogs on the square in front of the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, Germany. As the restrictions are eased, Chancellor Angela Merkel has pointed to South Korea as an example of how Germany will have to improve measures to “get ahead” of the pandemic with more testing and tracking of cases so that the rate of infections can be slowed. (AP)
Small retailers with a surface area of up to 8,600 square feet, car and bicycle dealerships, as well as bookstores, were allowed to reopen while keeping social distancing in place. Next week, some students are expected to return to school.
All states are also moving ahead with regulations requiring protective masks in public transport, shops, or both.
But on Monday, the Robert Koch Institute revealed Germany had seen the first daily uptick in new cases in more than three days. It said the reproduction or infection rate had risen again to approximately 1.0, meaning each infected person passes the virus on to one other person.
When Germany, which was widely praised for its response to the pandemic, decided to lift some restrictions, the infection rate had fallen to 0.7.
<snip>
Merkel has warned Germany’s federal states against loosening their lockdowns too quickly, saying the pandemic was “still at the beginning.”
Last week she cautioned that, while the rate of new infections has been slowing, “we’re still walking on thin ice, one could also say the thinnest ice.”
“We’re not living in the final phase of the pandemic, but still at the beginning. We will be living with this virus for a long time.”
She added: “Let us not squander what we have achieved and risk a setback. It would be a shame if premature hope ultimately punishes us all. Let us all stay on the path in the next phase of the pandemic: smart and careful. It’s a long journey; we can’t run out of stamina and air too soon.”
Meanwhile, Germany announced Wednesday it was extending its worldwide travel warning until mid-June, saying the pandemic is too dire to change the guidance.
if Russia has less than 1000 deaths (972 at Worldometer as of this post), I'm Vladmir Putin.
msommer
Footballguy
Totally, Lev Nikolaevich. Did you see the Russia update I posted upthread? Lots of incentives to categorize cases and deaths as something else
yak651
Footballguy
I'm between Green Bay and Appleton. Yes JBS is the one that's had the most cases. They finally over the weekend said they were going to shut down as they had so many but now I'm sure they will be starting back up...They said over easter a bunch of families got together which they believe led to the spread
lakerstan
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Now we can commemorate Trump's success with Coronavirus in the White House Gift Shop!
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OTHER COINS IN THE HISTORIC MOMENT ART SERIES INCLUDE:
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OTHER COINS IN THE HISTORIC MOMENT ART SERIES INCLUDE:
Number 7: Title: GENIUS MAKES ITS OWN RULES with a Monograph "President Donald J. Trump: A Study in Genius"
pollardsvision
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Gaston County, NC (just West of Charlotte) lifting stay-at-home orders today (against State orders).
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I heard radio ads a couple of months ago pitching Trump commemorative coins or medallions celebrating his impeachment acquittal.
The Commish
Footballguy
Apparently, it's gotten pretty nasty up there between the local communities and the state. Not surprising given the make up, but it seems like it's own little soap opera there.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
The fallout will be interesting and sadly, ugly. I have no idea what Cooper can or would do, but certainly other counties will try to do the same.
msommer
Footballguy
Constitutionally, who's in charge?
Could the governor send in the National Guard if he actually is in charge?
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