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Do this work to determine how well we are doing this....wait, stop doing the work since you are telling us we aren't doing well. No need to recommend better ways to do things..we will just continue doing it poorly without being told how poorly. Thanks.
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Trump is not only responsible for not grasping the information available to him, his administration and their actions are also responsible for the information gathering. We should certainly be involved with and responsive to information from international health organizations, but we could of and should of had our own experts already embedded in China to gather our own information. But that person was reassigned as part of the trade wars.
So I hear this a lot and I continue to wonder who's going to convey this to the virus. I haven't come up with the answer to that yet.
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You admit that Trump knew on January 30th that there was a high risk of transmission at a global level.....yet he only instituted a partial travel ban for one country (with lots of loopholes)? And you think he should be patted on the back for that?
Are you interested in this discussion? I hate going through the work of laying this stuff out if it's not well received or engaged in. Trump's first briefing was on January 3rd.
Trump also did what after the partial travel ban? Odd how someone stating you are revising history...leaves out what all happened next and what was all said next by Trump.
I question that this ever happened. I also don't think he really tries. He's been wishing it away the whole time.
Yep. Props to ASU who pretty much immediately said they're going to keep doing it anyway.
After Katrina, LSU fired a world renowned professor who kept issuing scathing reports about hurricane preparedness. The risk to those scientists is real.
He did a partial ban and then said "We cut off access to the country!" (Meanwhile, thousands of infected people from all over the world were allowed to stream into the country over the next 6 weeks.) He just had no clue, no understanding. He seriously acted like the virus could only come from Chinese people.
The crap going down in Wisconsin could be more damning. The more I see what is going on in this state, the more I am convinced Wisconsin is a huge test market for what is to come. It's disgusting.
Sometimes, you have to know when to fold em. You're giving too much effort to get minor return. At some point, it is best to move on because no matter what facts you bring up, opinions ain't changing. The Radical Right Wing is strong with their mental gymnastics.
Oh, we don't like those health based recommendations...we will just do it however we want and hope it makes us look best come election time.
Yeah can’t have anything come out the disputes the actions they’re currently taking. Salons and barber shop tomorrow, restaurants on Monday and probably everything else on the 15th. Happy for my business owner friends but sad for everyone else. Seems like a lot of people see this as the end of taking it seriously.
LOL. Here is verbatim portions of the interview you seem to want to dismiss.
You claimed that Fauci said lack of community spread, while Fauci actually said "beginnings of community spread". You misrepresented Fauci's words.
The Wuhan whistleblower doctor was the end of january. He died on Feb 7. It was a major news story. Anyone paying attention should have been worried.
And yet cases are still growing overall.
Going the herd immunity route without universal healthcare is going to be a complete disaster. Also, how do we financially support high-risk individuals and their families?
The law of diminishing returns has become a guiding beacon for me around here.
Breaking: A member of the US Navy who serves as one of President Donald Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus, CNN has learned, raising concerns about the President's possible exposure to the virus.-@kaitlancollins reporting
A few of us were. Most people weren't. The ones that freaked out about it too much were laughed at and scoffed at. I had good friends that I could barely talk to about coronavirus because they assumed I was a conspiracy theorist for even bringing it up. One of my best friends directly told me he wanted nothing to do with any coronavirus discussions with me in early Feb. Today we are building a TN spreadsheet on coronavirus cases to track things.
Hopefully the court kicks it back to the legislature and governor and a more logical plan can be figured out.
Colorado has not re-opened. You're misrepresenting what they did. Before you throw out phrases like "useless vitriol", it would help if you had the story straight.
Yes...anyone going against guidelines to open up, IMO, is in the wrong. Being that I don't live in Colorado though, I don't have much control over what their government does...he isn't my governor. I have my own complaints about leadership here in TN.
"A few of us were".
It was more a response to the idea we need to shift our strategy to infecting as many "low risk" people as possible.
Agreed. Good points. I actually live in CO and generally support Gov. Polis' actions.
It’s not that he won’t listen to experts. It’s that he doesn’t want the responsibility of having done so.
CO is on the list of every state considered to be "reopening." I am not misrepresenting anything.
Yup. We flew out of the country on Feb 7th for vacation. Brought sanitizer wipes on the plane. Wiped down everything. People looked at us like we were crazy. Maybe 5-10% of people knew why we were doing it. We talked about the Wuhan doctor dying from CV and wondered aloud if the Chinese govt killed him. By Feb 7th, it seemed like we were pushing the limits by traveling out of the country.
Ok. My post was literally just replying to the idea that people have all the info they need to make decisions about what risk category they fall into. It wasn’t me lobbying for a shift to infecting low risk people. As mentioned many times on this board, I’m keeping my family quarantined as long as possible.
You’re making false assumptions about Trump’s mindset (yes he deplores accountability, no he doesn’t associate responsibility with power, they’re disconnected) and how dictators work (good lord the corruption and avoidance of responsibility are arguably the primary aims of authoritarianism).
looks like he was basing his statements on established facts. Maybe we should have been presenting him with better facts at the time - i.e. testing. IIRC, in late Feb we were (are) burying our heads in the sand.
I don't think a single state has. We live in this strange paradox where we have guidelines set by a group of people who is cheering on others not following the guidelines they themselves set. And we have people here who were supposedly concerned with states not following orders for opening weeks ago, now virtually silent on the states not following the orders. We want to talk about faux outrage? Start there
It's all so so stupid.
Also in Colorado. Governor is pretty much letting citites and counties handle how they want to reopen. Denver and Boulder have stayed closed. Starting Saturday Boulder county with require everyone to wear mask in public.
I put emphasis on Fauci's comments.
Exactly. And beyond that Weld County has completely rejected the governor's directives and has allowed basically full re-opening.
Are bars and restaurants reopened in Weld County? I live in Boulder county but work in Weld county haven't been paying attention to that.
Weld County basically gave the middle finger to the governor and said we will do what we want. Then gave the green light to all businesses to open who wanted. Or stay closed. Pretty much just issued some county guidelines then the rest laissez faire.
