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Government Response To The Coronavirus (13 Viewers)
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Doug B
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Talking shop here:
Do you think a finger-stick home PCR test (or similar) is technologically feasible?
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Dickies
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I would get a Covid test if I had cold-like symptoms. I have also gotten a Covid test after being around people who have tested positive. This is how a couple family members who have been vaccinated and had no symptoms found out that they had it.
supermike80
Footballguy
Hmmm....To to be totally honest I never even considered it. Not with a cold. But I guess it does make sense somewhat?
Is that where we are now? Now and forever anytime we get the sniffles we are off for a covid screen?
Oh well..If thats where we are, I'll play along
Dickies
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Dickies
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For me it’s not so much because I feel like I have a cold, it’s so that I know what I have and can prevent spreading Covid to others if I am positive. I also have young kids who aren’t old enough to vaccinate, so I would quarantine myself from them.
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Amused to Death
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2Squirrels1Nut
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The more I think about it the more I get really upset how some government officials framed "your choice" as the most important part of the message. Smoking isn't treated Ike that. Suicide isn't treated like that. They're "your choice" too but nobody would say "We think you shouldn't commit suicide but hey, it's your choice!" Yes that is ludicrous but so is the fact that the most important thing is to strongly consider getting the vaccine.
I've lost loved ones to this disease. I'm so sorry to hear about your friend too BB. I just have had enough of the political games. It's a new dark ages where science is treated like a horoscope.
I've lost loved ones to this disease. I'm so sorry to hear about your friend too BB. I just have had enough of the political games. It's a new dark ages where science is treated like a horoscope.
Sand
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
My wife was exposed at work this past Friday, and is having a PCR test later today. She has no symptoms ... but if she's had a breakthrough infection, we'll know soon.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Smoking and seat belts are the two comparisons for me. Remember when the seat belt laws were going into effect? There were people who tried making the argument that you were safer without them. Where are those people now?
Same with smoking. As recently as the 1990s we had people like Mike Pence still denying it caused cancer. People thought it was ridiculous to ban smoking indoors because they didn't believe second-hand smoke was really a public danger.
Both are good examples of confirmation bias. Look for the data that supports our preconceived conclusions. Some do the same with climate change data.
Doug B
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The info is legit ... but Russia Times, my man?
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The issue with Sweden is not where they've ended up, but what they had to pay to get there. To date:
Sweden: 108,374 case/M 1,438 deaths/M
Denmark: 54,915 case/M 439 deaths/M
Norway: 25,320 case/M 146 deaths/M
Finland: 19,524 case/M 177 deaths/M
massraider
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Europe's reaction to vaccine passes
"Denmark pioneered vaccine passes with little resistance. Belgium will require a vaccine certificate to attend outdoor events with more than 1,500 people by mid-August and indoor events by September. Germany and Britain have so far resisted a blanket approach, while vaccinations are so popular in Spain that incentives are not deemed necessary.
In France and Italy, demonstrations against vaccine passes or virus restrictions in general are bringing together otherwise unlikely allies, often from the political extremes. They include far-right parties, campaigners for economic justice, families with small children, those against vaccines and those who fear them."
"Denmark pioneered vaccine passes with little resistance. Belgium will require a vaccine certificate to attend outdoor events with more than 1,500 people by mid-August and indoor events by September. Germany and Britain have so far resisted a blanket approach, while vaccinations are so popular in Spain that incentives are not deemed necessary.
In France and Italy, demonstrations against vaccine passes or virus restrictions in general are bringing together otherwise unlikely allies, often from the political extremes. They include far-right parties, campaigners for economic justice, families with small children, those against vaccines and those who fear them."
Oh for Pete's sake. We really need to improve everyone's knowledge of history, and maybe we can all start making better historic comparisons.
Sand
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2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Exactly. I mentioned suicide as a hyperbolic extreme but it's all the same.
I guess it sets me off even more that at the doctor yesterday for my annual the gal in front of me was asked if she was vaccinated. She said no, it's my choice not to and laughed. I heard her give her birth date, she was 54. If I would have guessed I would have said close to 70. Overweight, couldn't stand without loudly moaning in misery. It's so dang dumb.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
And this is why you should be concerned because it will mutate to attack kids more seriously if we let it
I don’t have a definite answer but I’d guess that it would be tough to develop something that would keep the specificity of a PCR test while being readily available for home use. But I have no expertise in the area.
Alex P Keaton
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Alex P Keaton
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Alex P Keaton
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Children under 12 are not eligible. Even if both parents are vaccinated now the family can't goto a restaurant.
Again this sucks for restaurants
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Doug B
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I thought he laugh-emojied his Russia Times link
Kind of like he was acknowledging a self-own.Alex P Keaton
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I never know what people are laughing at, which is why the simple emoji is a poor way of communicating. Apologies to Sand if I misinterpreted.I thought he laugh-emojied his Russia Times link
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
If every adult and kid 12+ was vaccinated, our level of community spread would be very close to zero. Which would make it safe for unvaccinated kids to be in restaurants. Science. Math. Logic.
Delta is infecting vaccinated people and vaccinated people are spreading delta so not sure you can say that. Cities like LA and NYC have among the highest vaccination rates plus the highest previous infections yet the case positivity rate keeps rising. Your statement does not compute with what's going on.
Doug B
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While both true statements, the rates of transmission are not established to be the same. I'd need to see something that establishes that Delta transmits through vaccinated folks exactly as it does through unvaccinated people.
The "same viral count in the nasopharynx" thing the CDC reported last week doesn't establish that transmission rates are similar between the vaccinated and unvaccinated (though I admit to being taken in by the preliminaty, since-walked-back reporting on this topic).
Sand
Footballguy
I was laughing at the Russia Times comment. I mean, it was factual stuff, but it was funny.
Yeah, not laughing at death statistics. That's not cool.
parasaurolophus
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Alex P Keaton
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Alex P Keaton
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My statement is far more logical than "hey, everyone just go out to dinner without being vaccinated." Which seems to be the alternative offered up right now.
Sand
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moleculo
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
So far I know of 4 breakthrough cases. One required a hospital stay, but was released pretty quickly and her symptoms subsided rather quickly. One lost her sense of smell and taste for a couple days, but is back to normal. The other two were entirely asymptomatic, but got tested because they were around the person who got sent to the hospital.
Contrast that to my anti-vaxxer neighbors. 11 have tested positive within the last week and a half. All 11 saying it's the sickest they've ever been in their lives. 4 of them are currently in the hospital, 1 of which is in the ICU and not doing well at all. Of those 11, four of them are teenagers. Two of the teenagers are in the hospital.
I went until about October of last year until I even knew of anyone who tested positive. It's shocking that it seemed like we were turning the corner on this thing, but in the last two weeks I've known more people to test positive than at any point. I've also gotten myself tested more than the entirety of the pandemic because the people I am around keep informing me that they have been in contact with someone who tested positive.
One thing that is a common denominator from all of these cases except one is that they seemed to originate from large gatherings. The 4 breakthrough cases were from the celebrity golf tournament in South Lake Tahoe, and the neighbors originated from a trip to Disneyland.
Yeah it has seemed to get out of hand extremely quickly the last couple weeks. Lot of people sick or trying to find testing.
Amazing. Can't put us citizens on the streets because it's a public health emergency but 1000s of migrants a week pouring into the country and that's NOT a public health emergency.The CDC expanded its eviction moratorium until October 3. Ugh.
Dr_Zaius
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And this is why the Kavanaugh opinion was so stupid - either uphold it with the liberals or toss it out with the conservatives. Instead we got the nonsensical they don't have the power but it's expiring anyway so yolo opinion, and now we'll have another protracted legal fight because they didn't resolve the issue the first time.
Max Power
Footballguy
Why is the CDC the entity doing this?The CDC expanded its eviction moratorium until October 3. Ugh.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
https://www.foxnews.com/health/pfizer-jj-react-covid-19-breakthrough-infections
funny, drugmakers were emphasizing vaccines were protective against covid except in very very rare instances too ... well they were until the breakthrough's wasn't very very anymore.
now to be fair they also said
Of the unvaccinated I wonder if the % hospitalized is about the same or worse. Also, we don't know the age groups - if all the 469 were under 50, very very small % chance they'd be hospitalized anyway. over 55 or 60 and the % changes dramatically
funny, drugmakers were emphasizing vaccines were protective against covid except in very very rare instances too ... well they were until the breakthrough's wasn't very very anymore.
now to be fair they also said
Of the unvaccinated I wonder if the % hospitalized is about the same or worse. Also, we don't know the age groups - if all the 469 were under 50, very very small % chance they'd be hospitalized anyway. over 55 or 60 and the % changes dramatically
parasaurolophus
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
"Delta plus"
jfc some people just dont want to let go.
jfc some people just dont want to let go.
Osaurus
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The extra leg room is worth the"Delta plus"
imo.
whoknew
Footballguy
Its argument is that "mass evictions" would be a public health crisis.
The real answer is its the only possible way they can do it without legislation. But, of course, it will still be challenged.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I like the image going around advertising it as deltas new streaming service.The extra leg room is worth the
Gov. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR) says he regrets signing law banning local mask mandates, as COVID cases quickly rise in his state.
“In hindsight, I wish that had not become law,” said Hutchinson, who has asked lawmakers to allow school districts to adopt mask mandates.
oops. Sorry.
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