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Biggest Fears of a Biden Presidency (1 Viewer)
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We shouldn't need to make medical school free because the skills learned in medical school are rewarded monetarily whenever a doctor gets her paycheck. The doctor herself captures the monetary benefits of her education, so she should pay the monetary cost via repayment of student loans.
That doesn't really apply to K-12, where the subjects taught and learned are important for having a well educated populace*, but aren't easily monetized by the students.
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*Alternative view: what's taught in K-12 is mostly useless, and the real value of primary education resides largely in its daycare function. Either way, the benefit of receiving a K-12 education is difficult to monetize.
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Bamboo Bill
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Refreshing..
Joe Biden "My son, my family will not be involved in any business, any enterprise that is in conflict with or appears to be in conflict with ... the presidency and government."
Joe Biden "My son, my family will not be involved in any business, any enterprise that is in conflict with or appears to be in conflict with ... the presidency and government."
The Z Machine
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Sell the peanut farm.Bamboo Bill said:
AAABatteries
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Bamboo Bill
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GordonGekko
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https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/lucy-collins/pelosi-says-yes-biden-plan-order-schools-let-transgenders-play
Pelosi Says ‘Yes’ to Biden Plan to Order Schools to Let Transgenders Play on Girls’ Teams and Use Their Locker Rooms
By Lucy Collins | December 4, 2020 | 12:01pm EST
In response to a question from CNSNews.com, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said today she agreed with Joe Biden's plan to force public schools and colleges to let transgender "women" (biological males) play on girls' sports teams and use their bathrooms and locker rooms.
At the U.S. Capitol on Friday, CNSNews.com asked Pelosi: “Joe Biden says that on his first day in office he will use Title IX to give transgender students access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity in all federally funded schools. Does he have the power to unilaterally do this? And do you agree with this?”
“Yes, and I think he does,” the speaker responded.
On the Biden-Harris Campaign website, a listed priority is: “Guaranteeing transgender students have access to facilities based on their gender identity.”
“On his first day in office, Biden will reinstate the Obama-Biden guidance revoked by the Trump-Pence Administration, which will restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity,” it says.
.....This policy would allow biological males who identify as females to be granted access to female locker rooms, bathrooms and sports teams without undergoing confirmation surgery or using hormone replacements."
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Policy/Logistical considerations - What happens to Title IX? What is the impact on the distribution on athletic scholarships, esp with the spike in the cost of a college education? Is this new policy actually "regressive" in terms of what Title IX actually tried to achieve? What impact will this have on private schools and desire for private schools or home schooling, esp with the pandemic. Will some states fight this? I have a hard time not seeing some variant of this issue making it to SCOTUS. What impact does this make eventually to something like the MMA/Combative Sports?
I can't see lots of people happy about this ( No disrespect to those who made this choice, this is a very complex topic) It's one thing for Biden to run on this issue but it's another for Pelosi to confirm she's going to back it. There is already tension with "deadnaming" ( i.e. not immediately shifting to whatever pronoun/name is considered acceptable)
My observation is that parents, in general, are far less tolerant of social reform/policy as it applies to their own children versus how it would impact other adults they don't know, don't work with or don't live near. My observation is not exhaustive of all the ranges of experiences and viewpoints out there.
My personal take? Politically, this will cost Biden an untold number of votes in 2024 ( lots of suburban women will turn on him, though do it silently), if he makes it that far. Many will see this a segueway into coming into a person's home and telling them how to raise their kids ( Trans-Blockers, etc) My biggest "fear" with this? Is the nightmare scenario where some teenage guy trolls the system, then rapes/allegedly rapes or date rapes or sexually assaults a girl in a school, then a father shows up to a school with a handgun and shoots the rapist or accused rapist. This would trigger all out civil war in some city. LGBT's would feel they were being hunted down. Some parents would feel like their children have been abandoned by the state/city as open targets.
My other fear is the concerns I just raised, if very soon, you won't even be able to voice them anymore in public. That you'll just be "cancelled" out for even asking these questions.
Pelosi Says ‘Yes’ to Biden Plan to Order Schools to Let Transgenders Play on Girls’ Teams and Use Their Locker Rooms
By Lucy Collins | December 4, 2020 | 12:01pm EST
In response to a question from CNSNews.com, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said today she agreed with Joe Biden's plan to force public schools and colleges to let transgender "women" (biological males) play on girls' sports teams and use their bathrooms and locker rooms.
At the U.S. Capitol on Friday, CNSNews.com asked Pelosi: “Joe Biden says that on his first day in office he will use Title IX to give transgender students access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity in all federally funded schools. Does he have the power to unilaterally do this? And do you agree with this?”
“Yes, and I think he does,” the speaker responded.
On the Biden-Harris Campaign website, a listed priority is: “Guaranteeing transgender students have access to facilities based on their gender identity.”
“On his first day in office, Biden will reinstate the Obama-Biden guidance revoked by the Trump-Pence Administration, which will restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity,” it says.
.....This policy would allow biological males who identify as females to be granted access to female locker rooms, bathrooms and sports teams without undergoing confirmation surgery or using hormone replacements."
******
Policy/Logistical considerations - What happens to Title IX? What is the impact on the distribution on athletic scholarships, esp with the spike in the cost of a college education? Is this new policy actually "regressive" in terms of what Title IX actually tried to achieve? What impact will this have on private schools and desire for private schools or home schooling, esp with the pandemic. Will some states fight this? I have a hard time not seeing some variant of this issue making it to SCOTUS. What impact does this make eventually to something like the MMA/Combative Sports?
I can't see lots of people happy about this ( No disrespect to those who made this choice, this is a very complex topic) It's one thing for Biden to run on this issue but it's another for Pelosi to confirm she's going to back it. There is already tension with "deadnaming" ( i.e. not immediately shifting to whatever pronoun/name is considered acceptable)
My observation is that parents, in general, are far less tolerant of social reform/policy as it applies to their own children versus how it would impact other adults they don't know, don't work with or don't live near. My observation is not exhaustive of all the ranges of experiences and viewpoints out there.
My personal take? Politically, this will cost Biden an untold number of votes in 2024 ( lots of suburban women will turn on him, though do it silently), if he makes it that far. Many will see this a segueway into coming into a person's home and telling them how to raise their kids ( Trans-Blockers, etc) My biggest "fear" with this? Is the nightmare scenario where some teenage guy trolls the system, then rapes/allegedly rapes or date rapes or sexually assaults a girl in a school, then a father shows up to a school with a handgun and shoots the rapist or accused rapist. This would trigger all out civil war in some city. LGBT's would feel they were being hunted down. Some parents would feel like their children have been abandoned by the state/city as open targets.
My other fear is the concerns I just raised, if very soon, you won't even be able to voice them anymore in public. That you'll just be "cancelled" out for even asking these questions.
NorvilleBarnes
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These are petty much my fears honestly.
GoBirds
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I guess this relates to 4) among others but the corruption of his family's dealings.....hopefully they receive at least a fraction of the scrutiny the last POTUS did. This is a start.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/hunter-biden-tax-investigtation/index.html
timschochet
Footballguy
Honest question: do you truly care about this? Or are you just trying to “even the score?”
Among the issues that bothered me about Donald Trump, his personal and family corruption were at the bottom of the list.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
There hasn’t been a President in my lifetime who hasn’t been accused of some sort of corruption. I never know if it’s true or simply a partisan means of attack. Sometimes it’s both.
I usually see it as a distraction from issues that are important.
FairWarning
Footballguy
How important is it to stand up to China? They have basically owned us for 30 years now.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
What? China was pretty poor through the 90s. The west were the ones that came in, set up factories, paid low wages, and ramped up pollution.
I think most Chinese would say it's the exact opposite, with the US abusing it's dominant position.
Non-snarky question: Have you been to China? If so, in what capacity? Work, tourism, family?
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GoBirds
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Sad that you are giving this a pass because it’s “your guy”. He’s should at a minimum receive the same level of scrutiny as the last potus. That will never happen but hopefully glaring issues like this one will be addressed correctly.
sho nuff
Footballguy
In what way though. Standing up to them is nice...if you do it right and smart and with a plan.
Standing up talking tough and ending 4 years in a worse position than when you started seems like a bad idea. And that is what happened.
sho nuff
Footballguy
What is the glaring issue with Joe Biden? Because the last POTUS received scrutiny for his own actions and possible corruption. This possible corruption seems to be about his son...correct?
And some of it was looked into already (the lies about the laptop from Rudy)...and some is being investigated now. If this investigation turns up nothing...do you accept that...or wanting more would be the next question.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Mainly in reliance on them making our goods. Now this won’t be popular as Americans like their cheap Chinese goods (WalMart). I would like to see us invest in us. The US has moved away from making things.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...we have. Because capitalism is good, right? Which lead to finding cheaper ways to manufacture things.
Americans do want it both ways...they want American...but also don't want to pay the prices for American made goods.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I never have but I have a friend who has lived there for 30 years, loves it. I think a lot of the wealth transfer doesn’t make it to the workers, kind of like here. The government seems to be the biggest beneficiary of it.
FairWarning
Footballguy
You’re correct. People don’t want to pay. We became a superpower by making our own stuff, selling to other countries. Now we bow to China. They are a fiscal superpower now.
sho nuff
Footballguy
A lot of countries bow to them and others in that area.
TPP tried to deal with it (despite claims Obama didn't try to do anything). The purpose was to move away from the dependence on China and open up other markets.
FairWarning
Footballguy
A lot of countries do, I just don’t think we should be one. We can make more than latte and sub sandwiches, can’t we?
Rich Conway
Footballguy
How do you propose that be accomplished? The choices are pretty much one or more of the following:
* Tariffs on imports
* Government subsidies for goods made here
* Other?
"The right" consistently beats the drum for "more manufacturing" but refuses to say how and refuses to acknowledge that any such solutions to increase manufacturing actually run counter to the rest of their platform.
Thunderlips
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FairWarning
Footballguy
Out of your options, 2 would be the best. Obviously we go to China because work and environmental laws are more friendly to corporations. As someone who in sales, I’m a buy from me, I’ll buy from you person. People want $15-20/hour living wage, then support people making $4/hour in another country.
Rich Conway
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Seems like a far better idea would be UBI for all American citizens, then allow minimum wage laws to disappear.
FairWarning
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timschochet
Footballguy
That’s not what I wrote. What I wrote is that I gave “your guy” a pass on this as well.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Sure. In fact, it creates a much better incentive than our existing patchwork of means-tested social assistance programs (e.g. welfare, SNAP, etc.). If I give you $12K, but start taking it away when you earn your own money, you are incented not to earn your own. If I just hand you $12K and don't take it away for any reason, you are incented to go earn more. What's more, it allows you and your prospective employer to decide whether $4/hour, $7/hour, or $10/hour is appropriate for the prospective work, as the compulsion to require a "living wage" is now less critical.
timschochet
Footballguy
It seems to me that our economy has benefited from our trade with China.
But I believed TPP was the best way to deal with future concerns.
JAA
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
We will never be a manufacturing country anymore. Everyone needs to accept this. Our strength is our schools (not all of them obviously) and STEM jobs. Our capitalism also helps fund R&D.
How do we create more jobs? Invest in our educational system (10-20 year timeframe) and invest in our healthcare system (5-10 year timeframe). Unfortunately, the current state of our capitalistic experiment is that a single dollar today is more valuable than a thousand dollars in 5 years. Shame really.
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JAA
Footballguy
It gives people the incentive to spend. Since they know they are guaranteed enough money to pay the bills, they can take more chances with their career and goals.
Wasnt a study done in some town in some state (MI?) which tested this?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I'm a regular on Breitbart, FOX and NewsMax and regularly listen to Glen Beck, Hannity and Rush....they're all talking about Hunter Biden. There's news coverage of it.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I fear that a Biden presidency will normalize the idea that the Ed.D. is a legitimate scholarly credential.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
And that’s the problem I’m talking about. Covid remains out of control, there still needs to be a stimulus package, the Georgia race is vital to both sides, Biden’s agenda is very much worth discussing- and these folks want to spend their time talking about Hunter Biden.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
since Thurs, Fox News has mentioned 3,000 daily Covid deaths 19 times
since Thurs, Fox News has mentioned Hunter Biden 447 times.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You know they were different stories...right? The one that twitter kept from being posted by the NYPost (which they have since testified about as well) was about the Rudy provided laptop stuff.
What is being investigated now is taxes/china dealings.
They aren't the same story.
Insein
Footballguy
It's all related. The laptop is part of the same investigation.
This will be the thing that forces him out early (and add fuel to the conspiracy theorists that say it was setup for Harris all along).
sho nuff
Footballguy
I dont believe the laptop is a part of it at this point. And the story was not about this...and the reason any reputable source refused to run it was its lack of sourcing.
timschochet
Footballguy
On right wing radio the one message that’s repeated endlessly is “Remember that New York Post story? It was ALL TRUE!”
Insein
Footballguy
No the reason the media didn't run with it was because of the subject material hurt a protected political candidate before an election. That's blatantly obvious now.
Insein
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Right now the only thing I know about Hunter Biden is that he’s under investigation by the Justice Department. I don’t know what for exactly. I don’t know whether he actually did anything wrong. I don’t know how it relates to his dad. The NY Post story made a lot of accusations which no other news source was able to verify. So far as I know they still haven’t.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Do you think Right leaning media sources don't run stuff that might hurt their candidates?
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