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3 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Pretty much. 

I find this hard to believe. Regular people seem to be finding ways to help out.

At the very least someone whose job is dependent on having your neighbors pick you this seems unusual. 

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YAY capitalism! IMO, there are certain segments of society that should not be run on a profit basis.  We are ok with socialized national defense, law enforcement, fire protection, k-12 education,

WTF?  I wrote all the WHILE people are freezing to death. While, not white. 

You know, I've been thinking about this.  I agree with the concept in principle but something just doesn't sit right. 1. Who makes the cost/benefit decision?  What gives you the right to decide i

31 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I'm no Cruz fan but what's he supposed to be doing exactly?  It's a Senate recess week the guy is allowed to go on a vacation with his family.

This is basically what I was thinking too.  Aside from "it just looks bad" (which is irrational), there's no particular reason for a senator to stick around.

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5 minutes ago, The General said:

I find this hard to believe. Regular people seem to be finding ways to help out.

At the very least someone whose job is dependent on having your neighbors pick you this seems unusual. 

Right, I’m only saying that there’s not much he necessarily could or should be doing in his role as a Senator.  He could help in the same ways a lot of people can help, and it would reflect positively if he had chosen to do so.

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1 hour ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

I think bof sidez can agree that was hilarious.  Both the misread and that it could easily have been typed given the poster.

Wow.  Explain to me why I should agree Tim would post something like that? 

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3 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Right, I’m only saying that there’s not much he necessarily could or should be doing in his role as a Senator.  He could help in the same ways a lot of people can help, and it would reflect positively if he had chosen to do so.

Exactly.

From the Twitters:

You would think that the representative of those without heat and power during a winter storm would be experiencing sleepless nights organizing logistical support for those suffering. Days would be dedicated to delivering blankets and wood. Instead, Ted Cruz is flying to Cancun.

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Wow.  Explain to me why I should agree Tim would post something like that?  Because unless you can articulate cogent reason, this is defamatory.   

Because he has years of posts talking about race?  Lighten up

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7 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

This is basically what I was thinking too.  Aside from "it just looks bad" (which is irrational), there's no particular reason for a senator to stick around.

There's also a COVID epidemic, which is subsiding, why not wait until the Texas positivity rate drops below 5%. It's currently 11.1%, one of the highest in the country. Also, Mexico is in the middle of a huge second wave. And Cruz went anyway knowing he would be noticed. 

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1 minute ago, SoBeDad said:

There's also a COVID epidemic, which is subsiding, why not wait until the Texas positivity rate drops below 5%. It's currently 11.1%, one of the highest in the country. Also, Mexico is in the middle of a huge second wave. And Cruz went anyway knowing he would be noticed. 

Yeah, I don't care about that either.  Cruz going on vacation doesn't magically infect his constituents with covid.

Look, Cruz should be expelled from the senate under the terms of the 14th amendment.  I'm not a fan.  But I'd rather stick to stuff that actually matters -- like the whole insurrection thing -- not trivial Twitter stuff.

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16 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Right, I’m only saying that there’s not much he necessarily could or should be doing in his role as a Senator.  He could help in the same ways a lot of people can help, and it would reflect positively if he had chosen to do so.

A US Senator helping in this way means a lot more than Joe Citizen. 

Ted can go to Mexico nothing is stopping him it’s a move that basically tells people he knows he’s good.

His tweets about CA energy problems and speeches about due process, voter fraud and a distrust of the democratic process help are his important work. 

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29 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Yeah, I don't care about that either.  Cruz going on vacation doesn't magically infect his constituents with covid.

Look, Cruz should be expelled from the senate under the terms of the 14th amendment.  I'm not a fan.  But I'd rather stick to stuff that actually matters -- like the whole insurrection thing -- not trivial Twitter stuff.

He’s not getting expelled.

He’ll have to be voted out. 

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3 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I honestly didn't realize that Newsweek still existed.  I should probably reserve judgement until I get a second opinion from US News & World Report.

Reading it while enjoying a Tab.

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29 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

Well, they have to blame someone now that Trump isn't here for this. Just saying,...

That large portions of the state has zero power for days seems like a colossal #### up to me. I know dick all about Texas power grid, but yeah something seems amiss.

This is an extraordinary weather event. If it turns out really bad decisions being made on how to secure the power grid were being made someone will be held responsible or judged by these decisions. This should happen, no?

To this Ted Cruz stuff, yeah doesn’t run the state. Him bailing to go to a Mexico resort is ballsy I’ll give him that. 

 

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Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

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59 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:
1 hour ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I'm no Cruz fan but what's he supposed to be doing exactly?  It's a Senate recess week the guy is allowed to go on a vacation with his family.

This is basically what I was thinking too.  Aside from "it just looks bad" (which is irrational), there's no particular reason for a senator to stick around.

Yea, i think Cruz is a turd, but he can make phone calls and whatever else he needs to do from Mexico

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Just now, timschochet said:

Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

It is a result of being unprepared for a historic weather event that is partially foreseeable. It has almost nothing to do with liberal politics (renewable energy) or conservative politics (deregulation)

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Cruz can’t turn the power back on.  But he is an elected representative of the state. That means service.  There are any number of ways he could be assisting and even helping to lead the disaster response.  

The fact he went on vacation while his constituents are suffering is reprehensible and so on brand for this guy.  

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

And note I’m not talking about incompetence or corruption or hypocrisy or lying, all of which, when they occur, are a different matter entirely and tell us nothing about political ideas. I’m referring to the philosophies associated with conservatism and liberalism, and whether one of these would have been more effective than the other in terms of the storm. 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

I don't think it's particularly related to "conservative" or "liberal", just as I didn't think the massive CT power outages in 2020 were related to conservative or liberal.  More accurately, it's a basic failure of government to ensure that certain entities are able to fulfill their stated purpose and hold them accountable.

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2 minutes ago, dawgtrails said:

It is a result of being unprepared for a historic weather event that is partially foreseeable. It has almost nothing to do with liberal politics (renewable energy) or conservative politics (deregulation)

Thank you. This was my suspicion reading the attacks from both sides, but it’s rather unclear. 

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2 minutes ago, dawgtrails said:

It is a result of being unprepared for a historic weather event that is partially foreseeable. It has almost nothing to do with liberal politics (renewable energy) or conservative politics (deregulation)

a separate, minimally-regulated grid had something to do with it.

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1 minute ago, Rich Conway said:

I don't think it's particularly related to "conservative" or "liberal", just as I didn't think the massive CT power outages in 2020 were related to conservative or liberal.  More accurately, it's a basic failure of government to ensure that certain entities are able to fulfill their stated purpose and hold them accountable.

Could that be due, at least in part, to conservative ideology regarding deregulation? 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

I mean the parts of the state (El Paso and much of the East) not part of ERCOT seem to be fine, so it's pretty clearly policy decisions made by both the politicians in government and the ERCOT administrators.  They had ample warning in 2011 and chose not to spend the resources to upgrade their grid.  

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Just now, Sammy3469 said:

I mean the parts of the state (El Paso and much of the East) not part of ERCOT seem to be fine, so it's pretty clearly policy decisions made by both the politicians in government and the ERCOT administrators.  They had ample warning in 2011 and chose not to spend the resources to upgrade their grid.  

yep.  there’s no financial incentive to make the upgrades, or create more capacity.

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

As a nation we have a fragile power grid that we don’t want to acknowledge 

And this is due to both political parties unable to reach an agreement on infrastructure, even though both parties have been talking about it for at least a decade? 

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It does appear to be more about competence, greed and special interests than it does about conservative or liberal. However I would add I don't know enough about Texas politics and relationships with the energy industry to say that any ideology component is completely off the table. 

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It’s incredibly frustrating. Even during the Obama years, even during the Trump years, as divided as Americans are, there’s never been any large disagreement on infrastructure. Liberals are for it. Conservatives are for it. Nobody speaks against it. And yet it hasn’t been done. There hasn’t even been a significant bill proposed. Why not? 

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1 minute ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

It does appear to be more about competence, greed and special interests than it does about conservative or liberal. However I would add I don't know enough about Texas politics and relationships with the energy industry to say that any ideology component is completely off the table. 

I would just say I don't know if it is so much greed, but the belief of not wanting to increase direct costs on the citizens.    

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Just now, timschochet said:

Could that be due, at least in part, to conservative ideology regarding deregulation? 

I don't think so.  Power companies here in CT are pretty heavily regulated, yet last year large swaths of the state lost power for a week.  You didn't hear about it as much because it wasn't 27 degrees outside.

Power companies don't want to pay to create redundancies.  Government doesn't want to force them to.  Government doesn't want to pay to create redundancies.  Consumers don't want to see their rates increase.  Now what?

 

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I don't like seeing the politicizing of this problem   From either side. I received a text from a relative Sunday afternoon indicating ERCOT had informed the local energy utilities to start the rolling blackouts around 4:00 pm. Nothing happened until midnight. But the very first reports from the news media only mentioned the freezing wind turbines in west Texas. That may be where the initial focus on the turbine failures came from. But within the next 24 hours more information was being communicated that production from all energy sources, including natural gas, coal and nuclear were adversely affected.

 I think we were closer to total grid failure than ERCOT was reporting ("China Syndrome"?) and circuits were being turned off that mistakenly included some essential services like hospitals.  

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1 hour ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I'm no Cruz fan but what's he supposed to be doing exactly?  It's a Senate recess week the guy is allowed to go on a vacation with his family.

Lead. The vacations will always be there.  It's not every decade that people in the State you are elected in are without power, water and are freezing to death.  

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

It’s incredibly frustrating. Even during the Obama years, even during the Trump years, as divided as Americans are, there’s never been any large disagreement on infrastructure. Liberals are for it. Conservatives are for it. Nobody speaks against it. And yet it hasn’t been done. There hasn’t even been a significant bill proposed. Why not? 

Jeebus, give Biden and Democrats some time on this, there are more pressing matters at the moment, like COVID to deal with.

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It’s incredibly frustrating. Even during the Obama years, even during the Trump years, as divided as Americans are, there’s never been any large disagreement on infrastructure. 

There’s widespread agreement that infrastructure needs improvement.  There is large disagreement about how best to do it.

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This is very, very unusual weather, right? This exposed flaws in their system that need to be addressed. Living in Seattle preparing for 100 degree weather days and high humidity isn’t something we do. It also isn’t as deadly when it does happen occasionally and have such drastic ramifications that freezing temps do.

Political points will be scored left and right as no one will want to take the brunt of this, what will come out of it I guess is they get stuff in place to ensure this doesn’t happen again in 30 years or whenever this weather hits them again.

I’d suspect that not too many people on FBG’s have any level of expertise on Texas power grid structures (and if they do they are busy right now) other than what they read in an article yesterday. 

 

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10 minutes ago, timschochet said:

And this is due to both political parties unable to reach an agreement on infrastructure, even though both parties have been talking about it for at least a decade? 

Is this because it simply is boring?  I mean it makes good talk to say we need it...say that we sort of agree its needed.  But when it comes down to spending money...nobody wants to...because its boring stuff...people don't see it as tangible things but more of a concept.

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6 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It’s incredibly frustrating. Even during the Obama years, even during the Trump years, as divided as Americans are, there’s never been any large disagreement on infrastructure. Liberals are for it. Conservatives are for it. Nobody speaks against it. And yet it hasn’t been done. There hasn’t even been a significant bill proposed. Why not? 

Is this a serious question? Why do you think? 

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4 hours ago, Tom Skerritt said:

When Texas went dark, conservatives (including the ####### Governor) were quick to put the blame on renewable energy resources. And that simply is not true. Everything failed. The right thing to do is to be honest and transparent. And do every thing you can to help those in need. The moral grandstanding should wait until the crisis is over. 

Because thats exactly what happened during the Covid crisis. 

Politicians cant let any crisis go unexploited. Sickening.  

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2 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

There’s widespread agreement that infrastructure needs improvement.  There is large disagreement about how best to do it.

This and we are at a point where you can’t let the other “side” get a “win”.

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5 minutes ago, The General said:

This is very, very unusual weather, right? This exposed flaws in their system that need to be addressed. Living in Seattle preparing for 100 degree weather days and high humidity isn’t something we do. It also isn’t as deadly when it does happen occasionally and have such drastic ramifications that freezing temps do.

Political points will be scored left and right as no one will want to take the brunt of this, what will come out of it I guess is they get stuff in place to ensure this doesn’t happen again in 30 years or whenever this weather hits them again.

I’d suspect that not too many people on FBG’s have any level of expertise on Texas power grid structures (and if they do they are busy right now) other than what they read in an article yesterday. 

 

It’s not hard to check ERCOT’s website and see where the shortfalls this week have been, but yeah the how and why I’m sure are quite complicated.

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23 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

wondering the same thing.  what policies made this a cluster?  this is 2021, not 1776 & Texas being the largest producer of energy in the union.  I don't get it.

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2 hours ago, Witz said:

Looks like Cruz decided to get out of town and head down to Mexico until this blows over. 

He’s absolutely entitled to do what’s best for his family but man are the optics on this terrible. 
 

 

so you put the family on a plane and say "sorry honey, we are in a historic situation and as an elected official,  I need to be here helping any way I can" 

There are countless cases where regular people miss out on vacations and other life events b/c work or duty calls. I doubt this guy is punching a clock just so he can accrue his .5 vacation days per week of work like the rest of the working population does. He can catch the next flight to Mexico when this is all resolved.

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15 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It’s incredibly frustrating. Even during the Obama years, even during the Trump years, as divided as Americans are, there’s never been any large disagreement on infrastructure. Liberals are for it. Conservatives are for it. Nobody speaks against it. And yet it hasn’t been done. There hasn’t even been a significant bill proposed. Why not? 

lot of support for it from both sides but covid happened & there went the dollars.

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1 hour ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Right, I’m only saying that there’s not much he necessarily could or should be doing in his role as a Senator.  He could help in the same ways a lot of people can help, and it would reflect positively if he had chosen to do so.

I agree with this.  These sort of efforts are typically handled by local governments.  I don't know that Ted has a lot of role at this point--and whatever role he has can be exercised on a beach in Cancun.  

It's a huge missed opportunity.  Texas Senator on the front lines for Texans in crisis is a great headline.  But I don't think he's a failure of a representative for not doing so.  We lost power several years ago in KY to an ice storm.  Several cities were affected.  At no point, did I stop and wonder where Mitch was.  

Cruz ia awful for a lot of reasons.  This to me aint one of 'em.  

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2 minutes ago, joffer said:

It’s not hard to check ERCOT’s website and see where the shortfalls this week have been, but yeah the how and why I’m sure are quite complicated.

I believe you are in Austin (apologies if my notebook is wrong) I lived, worked, down there years ago and have a few friends down there still. One of my absolute favorite places in the US. I’m so sorry you guys are dealing with this, I hope you, my friends, and everyone down there are as good as possible.

This whole situation is just a mess and while it definitely needs to be looked at as to why certain decisions were made, this does seem like a situation where we are dealing with very extreme conditions.

Absolutely people should be judged for their decision making when it’s all done and make sure systems are upgraded in a smart way for next time.

I could be totally wrong with my takes on this as I am just reading stuff on the internet. 

 

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34 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Getting back to the point of this thread- This is the part I’m trying to figure out: is there a political question to discuss here? What I mean is: is the situation Texas is facing a result of conservative politics? Or a result of liberal politics? Or would it have made very little difference no matter what kind of politics the state and local government there chose to practice? 

It's a result of piss poor planning for things that COULD go wrong but likely WON'T go wrong.  It was a gamble and they lost the bet.  We all know that things COULD freeze (at least any of us who've paid attention even a little bit since the mid 90s).  Plan for the worst, hope for the best is sound policy.  It costs a lot of money, but it prevents things like this from ever happening.

This isn't a political issue IMO.  

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