AAABatteries
Footballguy
It definitely tries to limit the folks voting in Fulton, Dekalb and Gwinnett counties. Cue laughing emoji.
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Insein
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
So if you're registered to vote you've already provided an ID, so there's no reason to do it again.
The Commish
Footballguy
I suspect this is a matter of opinion. But for some it's difficult. People can poo poo that all they want, but that's the reality. As long as there is struggle we should be striving to eliminate it. I'm good with door to door too. I'm also good with voting day registration as well. It's a really stupid problem to have, yet here we are
No thanks. I want to make sure the person who is registering AND voting in my name is actually me.
-fish-
Footballguy
I live in a state with mail in voting only. Works great, and no reason to keep showing the same ID. Not only is there no reason for a voter ID law, it wouldn't make sense anyway.
But that's the case everywhere.
The Commish
Footballguy
I've never done absentee or mail-in vote. Do you get anything that lets you know that your vote has been recorded?
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Insein
Footballguy
You need to if you're requesting and absentee ballot. Before you needed just a signature. Then a group of government workers had to match that signature to your voting application to see if it was the same. Of there were any differences, the request could be denied. With a form of ID on the request, it makes the process much smoother.
-fish-
Footballguy
I don't request an absentee ballot, because we only vote by mail and everyone that's registered gets a ballot in the mail. I couldn't show someone an ID if I wanted to, because there is nowhere to do it. So a federal voter ID requirement would never make sense.
It makes the process much smoother, and there is zero evidence of voter fraud since it was instituted.
-fish-
Footballguy
Yes, you can check on the secretary of state website. It updates you when your ballot has been received and again when your vote has been recorded.
Insein
Footballguy
Mail in ballot is what I meant. According to Georgia law, you only needed a signature to get a mail in ballot before. This then needed to be checked by a person to match the signature you made on your voting application however many years before. This caused major headaches for election officials last year since there was an unprecedented increase in mail in ballots. Requiring a driver's license number, SS# or some other form of ID on the request makes it much easier to verify instead of having regular people try to match a signature.
Daniel Dale @ddale8
Here's a non-comprehensive thread on how Colorado's elections law is extremely different than Georgia's.
Mail ballots: Colorado sends a ballot to every active registered voter. In Georgia, a voter must request a ballot. The Secretary of State and other officials are now banned from even sending *applications* to everyone. 1/
In-person voter ID: Colorado allows various non-photo ID for in-person voting, including a birth certificate, recent bill/bank statement/check. Georgia requires photo ID. 2/
Drop boxes part 1: Colorado's drop boxes are open 24 hours a day until the evening of Election Day. Georgia's now have to be inside, available only during early voting hours, and shut down the Friday before Election Day. 4/
Drop boxes part 2: Colorado encourages the use of drop boxes. Georgia just imposed strict limits. In the 2020 general, both Denver and Atlanta's Fulton County had 38 boxes. Denver can keep that number. Fulton says it is being forced down to 8 boxes. 5/
Voter registration: Colorado allows same-day voter registration on Election Day; someone can show up, register and vote in that election. Georgia's registration deadline is the fifth Monday before Election Day. 6/
Food and water: CO says even campaigns can give out food/drink to voters in line as long as they don't wear candidate/party attire. GA says no person can give out food/drink to voters within 25 feet of the line, with the exception of self-serve water set up by election staff. 7/
Here's a non-comprehensive thread on how Colorado's elections law is extremely different than Georgia's.
Mail ballots: Colorado sends a ballot to every active registered voter. In Georgia, a voter must request a ballot. The Secretary of State and other officials are now banned from even sending *applications* to everyone. 1/
In-person voter ID: Colorado allows various non-photo ID for in-person voting, including a birth certificate, recent bill/bank statement/check. Georgia requires photo ID. 2/
Drop boxes part 1: Colorado's drop boxes are open 24 hours a day until the evening of Election Day. Georgia's now have to be inside, available only during early voting hours, and shut down the Friday before Election Day. 4/
Drop boxes part 2: Colorado encourages the use of drop boxes. Georgia just imposed strict limits. In the 2020 general, both Denver and Atlanta's Fulton County had 38 boxes. Denver can keep that number. Fulton says it is being forced down to 8 boxes. 5/
Voter registration: Colorado allows same-day voter registration on Election Day; someone can show up, register and vote in that election. Georgia's registration deadline is the fifth Monday before Election Day. 6/
Food and water: CO says even campaigns can give out food/drink to voters in line as long as they don't wear candidate/party attire. GA says no person can give out food/drink to voters within 25 feet of the line, with the exception of self-serve water set up by election staff. 7/
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I don't think most American cities are near that efficient. Granted, it's been awhile now but I literally had a garbage bag full of my old parking tickets when I cleaned out my old Toyota after a move. Lived there about 3 years, one time they tried to place a boot on my car when I had a few outstanding they caught but got to my car to move it before they could finish with the car in front of mine. When I was in my 20's, this was like a game.
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
Honestly if someone is so apathetic toward voting they can't make a minimum effort I don't really trust them to have evaluated the issues/choices anyway, black or white.
zoonation
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
One thing get-out-the-vote advocates could do is to prompt potential voters to memorize the last four of their SSN, which abides by Georgia's new law and is unalienable. Help potential voters get the documents (new SSN card) if necessary. Had I not gotten used to looking for my SSN on grading lists in college, I might not have it memorized today.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Situationally, yes. Not cold-calling homes, but by request (for example, by a home-bound person).
Doug B
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
Should sports leagues, trade shows, conventions, etc start pulling out to force states to be like another state?
FairWarning
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
In our state there is a website where you can track your ballot all the way to recording from when they initially send it out.
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djmich
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
Exactly. How it works in Colorado. Even get a pre ballot postcard telling you to expect your ballot in the mail.
-fish-
Footballguy
My mom is 88. She's blind and doesn't drive. She hasn't had a valid ID in 10 years, and she's not going to go to the DMV and spend hours exposed to potential infectious diseases to get one. She knows more about local politics than most local politicians. She's not lazy or apathetic. But you'd take away her vote.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Sounds to me like you guys have a state ID issue. My dad was 98 when he passed away last year, hadn't driven in over 10 years. He was able to renew his via mail as an ID. They mailed him a renewal, literally filled out and mailed in. Pretty simple, easier than a ballot would be.
-fish-
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
What I needed that day was my ball cap and shades. I was out there close to two hours and the part of that line not in the shade was pretty bright. But it was November, not exactly July temps.
That does the same thing as voter ID does, imo.
Not sure about Georgia, but, many states waived that requirement in a rush to get mail in ballots approved and counted in 2020.
Wonder what Biden thinks of his own state's voting rules:
https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1379468663619792899
https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1379468663619792899
I'd be against a change that invites, at the margin, about 1% fraud among additional voters. That's too high, IMO. Elections are very often decided by less than 1%.
Make it a thousand additional voters instead of a hundred and I'm probably in. Ten thousand and I'm definitely in. (I believe the average rate of fraud is way, way, way lower than one in ten thousand, but it will always be somewhat higher at the margin with new laws.)
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
A lot of so called "conservatives" seem to want to tell private businesses what they should do.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Kinda reminds me as my days as a financial auditor for a corporation. They sent me to Phoenix to look into why one of our repair facilities was having high costs. I got to the airport, went over to the site for a couple hours just to introduce myself, explain what I'd be doing that week etc. So I meet the manager over the warehouse, and he knows they are having cost issues. I tell him I need you to print me out your latest inventory counts so I can just take a sample and verify what you are supposed to have is here. I get the response "We don't take inventory". Well how do you know when you need more of a part? "Well when my guys get low they just order more, makes it easier that way". It made it easier for sure when you don't have safeguards and controls.
As it turned out, we had an employee that we pretty well could conclude was literally building race cars and supplying parts to folks out of a mobile vehicle repair shop. Because they didn't have a system in place, nobody had any way to know it along the way. Of course we couldn't prove it either because the safeguards weren't there to prevent it to begin with. But once we put them in place, magically the costs got way better. If you don't have the ability to detect a problem, you will never know if you have one. There is no way to ever prove that you have a problem.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't agree that your trust or anyone's trust should affect anyone's rights. No matter how little they prioritize that right.
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
I disagree that I'm impacting anyone's rights when they have to make such a minimal effort to participate. I could have chosen to vote absentee in November as well. It's on me that I didn't and I went and stood in line for two hours. Had i gotten there and decided not to wait that long, that's on me, no one else. To have to provide ID or match a signature is a pretty low bar.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Joe’s like the rest of them.
Whatever it takes to get his side re-elected. That’s all that matters.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
That's all this is really about. And honestly, if this was any state other than GA who flipped in the last election and flipped control of the Senate, along with Stacey Abrams, this would be a non story and the game would be happening as always. From the national level and Biden, Schumer, etc. this is more about HR-1 and trying to justify it.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Doesn't matter what you do or the fact you take pride and time to do it. In our country you are born with these rights and you get to choose how you prioritize them and how much effort they put in.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Again, you are inferring I'm taking away someone's right by merely asking them to show ID or match a signature. That's a heavy claim for asking someone to sign a card or merely provide an ID. I'm not infringing on anyone's right, nor is it my responsibility to ensure that any given party chooses to exercise their right. Someone having a right who chooses not to make any effort to use that right is not the same as someone removing it.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The point is if these rights are supposed to be guaranteed to everyone then making it more difficult to exercise those rights is a form of taking them away. Especially after an election that had a record turnout out that showed little to no fraud.
The Commish
Footballguy
Here in Florida your signature isn't verified against the one you used to register to vote. It's verified against the paper you sign requesting the ballot in the first place. Maybe that's the same where fish is...not sure, but in my state what he's saying is correct.
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