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GordonGekko said:
The Democratic Party had generations to try to help and welcome and support poor white rural Christian America. But they didn't. And of late, it appears with identity politics, that will never happen.

Whether or not anyone agrees with Trump, he did carry a voice for poor white rural Christian America that many in those communities felt were never truly heard. They are still American citizens and they needed the help of society at large and they were left to perish. You would like to believe these communities followed Trump because there's something wrong fundamentally wrong with them ( i.e they are too ignorant to know better, hence "uneducated") I believe they were willing to be open to anyone who was the first to actually listen to them.

I recognize a large number of FBG members are college educated liberal white males working white collar jobs with earning power above the average American worker. Many reside in big cities. Do some of you realize how entitled and tone deaf and elitist you can come across to those who don't share your demographics?

Poor white rural Christian America sent many of it's sons to Omaha Beach. And what would have happened if Germany and Japan had won the war? Your daughters would be enslaved and gang raped and cast into brothels. Your sons would be slave labor and used as cannon fodder for organ harvesting and medical experimentation. But you might not have kids, since you might have been forcibly sterilized. And had your tongue cut out for not passing the right type of loyalty test. You'd watch your churches burned and your school teachers executed in front of you.

It's easy to label those different from you as Morlocks, But it's damn hard to just listen.

Did the Democratic Party actually take the time to listen to poor white rural Christian America?

It's a lot easier to see others as actual human beings and actual American citizens when you realize it's not all just about you.
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Without writing a wiki page, explain singling out Christians in your response.  Not challenging you on your comment, just curious cause as a Christian I find Christian support of him to be disturbing. 

 
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The Dude said:
Coming from the guy that refused to back his comments up just yesterday.  Hilarious.
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Back up my comments?  Wut?  I did. :shrug:

You came in spouting some nonsense and then accused me of not backing up my comments after I made 3 or 4 posts on it.

I would suggest you either a) drop this line of attack since you're clearly trolling or b) go back to school and learn how to read.  It's up to you. I can only lead you to the water, I can't make you drink it. 

In any event, you and I are done here.  It's obvious you came in to attack and not have a conversation.  You join a select few trolls that made the list!!  Congrats!

Now go bake a cake.

 
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BladeRunner said:
Back up my comments?  Wut?  I did. :shrug:

You came in spouting some nonsense and then accused me of not backing up my comments after I made 3 or 4 posts on it.

I would suggest you either a) drop this line of attack since you're clearly trolling or b) go back to school and learn how to read.  It's up to you. I can only lead you to the water, I can't make you drink it. 

In any event, you and I are done here.  It's obvious you came in to attack and not have a conversation.  You join a select few trolls that made the list!!  Congrats!

Now go bake a cake.
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blade gonna blade and fake he’s on the higher road

 
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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
This is true.  Also. the Biden refunds described in the article were likely not due to donor complaints but rather to comply with the law. It’s illegal for foreign nationals or government contractors to make donations and there are limits on how much any individual gives per election cycle.  If a person donates illegally or excessively, the campaign has to refund the money by law.  That happens to every candidate.  This Trump stuff is a whole different animal.
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You touch on an interesting point here, Trump/RNC seemingly knew (or didn’t have any controls in place) to prevent contributors from not over contributing.   So there’s that angle as well (and who knows if they’ve refunded those contributors).  That’s probably an easier case to build than a fraud one.

 
Sammy3469 said:
You touch on an interesting point here, Trump/RNC seemingly knew (or didn’t have any controls in place) to prevent contributors from not over contributing.   So there’s that angle as well (and who knows if they’ve refunded those contributors).  That’s probably an easier case to build than a fraud one.
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It’s not a simple thing to prevent excessive contributions on the front end, for a lot of different reasons.

It’s not just a limit on a single contribution, it’s a limit on the total amount that an individual can give to a campaign in a single election cycle.  People will often inadvertently violate the law by making multiple contributions that exceed the maximum in the aggregate.  Not all contributions come in through the same platform or even electronically at all.   Also, in some instances an individual can permissibly contribute the maximum amount to a candidate to satisfy debt from a previous election cycle and also to an upcoming election cycle.  There are a lot more complications that make it difficult for a website to figure out if a contribution is illegal before it has been made.

It’s possible Trump could have put in more guideposts to make sure nobody contributed in violation of the law, but those guideposts can often make it more cumbersome for people to make legal contributions.  Campaigns don’t like that, they want to make it very easy to contribute.  That’s not something unique to the Trump campaign, Obama was accused of making it too easy for foreign nationals to contribute during one of his runs.

 
Man as each day goes by I become more and more politically homeless.  I really had hopes the GOP would shake off the Trump nightmare once he was out of office (those hopes were basically dashed in early January and are dead and buried now as they still by in large bend the knee). Meanwhile the left has been hijacked by the left. Where the #### has the voice for the moderates gone.  

 
dkp993 said:
Man as each day goes by I become more and more politically homeless.  I really had hopes the GOP would shake off the Trump nightmare once he was out of office (those hopes were basically dashed in early January and are dead and buried now as they still by in large bend the knee). Meanwhile the left has been hijacked by the left. Where the #### has the voice for the moderates gone.  
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If you’re accusing the Party of Obama/Buen of being hijacked by leftists, you should probably just identify as a conservative.  🤷‍♂️

 
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dkp993 said:
Man as each day goes by I become more and more politically homeless.  I really had hopes the GOP would shake off the Trump nightmare once he was out of office (those hopes were basically dashed in early January and are dead and buried now as they still by in large bend the knee). Meanwhile the left has been hijacked by the left. Where the #### has the voice for the moderates gone.  
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There are moderates in both parties. Romney and Biden, for example. One of the main differences between Republicans and Democrats right now is that one side has practically kicked its moderates out of the party while the other has made them its leaders. But that's not permanent: it can go back and forth over the decades. Biden vs. Trump might become Romney vs. AOC ten years from now, theoretically.

 
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dkp993 said:
Man as each day goes by I become more and more politically homeless.  I really had hopes the GOP would shake off the Trump nightmare once he was out of office (those hopes were basically dashed in early January and are dead and buried now as they still by in large bend the knee). Meanwhile the left has been hijacked by the left. Where the #### has the voice for the moderates gone.  
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Dude.... the left nominated Biden to be their candidate and you’re wondering where the moderates are?

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
It’s not a simple thing to prevent excessive contributions on the front end, for a lot of different reasons.

It’s not just a limit on a single contribution, it’s a limit on the total amount that an individual can give to a campaign in a single election cycle.  People will often inadvertently violate the law by making multiple contributions that exceed the maximum in the aggregate.  Not all contributions come in through the same platform or even electronically at all.   Also, in some instances an individual can permissibly contribute the maximum amount to a candidate to satisfy debt from a previous election cycle and also to an upcoming election cycle.  There are a lot more complications that make it difficult for a website to figure out if a contribution is illegal before it has been made.

It’s possible Trump could have put in more guideposts to make sure nobody contributed in violation of the law, but those guideposts can often make it more cumbersome for people to make legal contributions.  Campaigns don’t like that, they want to make it very easy to contribute.  That’s not something unique to the Trump campaign, Obama was accused of making it too easy for foreign nationals to contribute during one of his runs.
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Yeah, but if I know I’m opting someone in for let’s say a cumulative total over that limit, isn’t that a no no.  
 

Point being on a debit rail WinRed/RNC either have proper authorization and thus know the cumulative total for each user or they don’t have proper authorization or both.  

 
killface said:
And the continued insane defense of a man that continues to steal from people
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I don't think anyone is defending him.  I think they are more marveling at the hypocrisy of the people who in one breath call Trump supporters cult-like but then drool over Obama, Clinton and AOC (for starters).

All one needs to do to debunk that nonsense is point to the Clinton Slush Fund Foundation and how many people continue/continued to be duped by that.

 
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BladeRunner said:
I don't think anyone is defending him.  I think they are more marveling at the hypocrisy of the people who in one breath call Trump supporters cult-like but then drool over Obama, Clinton and AOC (for starters).

All one needs to do to debunk that nonsense is point to the Clinton Slush Fund Foundation and how many people continue/continued to be duped by that.
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Nobody here is drooling over any of them.  The right talks more about AOC on here than anyone.  Who here is drooling over Clinton?  Or Obama?

Just a complete bogus talking point to keep from admitting how strange the devotion to Trump is.

 
AAABatteries said:
Hey you got to admire the commitment - they are so devoted to the GOP and Trump that they would rather have money stolen from them than admit the guy was and is a total clown who had no business being President.  That takes willpower.
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It really doesnt. Toughest thing to do is convince someone they've been conned. 

 
dkp993 said:
Man as each day goes by I become more and more politically homeless.  I really had hopes the GOP would shake off the Trump nightmare once he was out of office (those hopes were basically dashed in early January and are dead and buried now as they still by in large bend the knee). Meanwhile the left has been hijacked by the left. Where the #### has the voice for the moderates gone.  
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There hasnt been one for a long while. Yeah, we can find individuals that are close, but not nearly enough to be  meaningfully representative 

 
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Dickies said:
Dude.... the left nominated Biden to be their candidate and you’re wondering where the moderates are?
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Yeah.

Hence the " Biden is only a puppet to the whims of the Momala/Squad Far Left, Socialist agenda" that you hear repeated ad nauseum over the Conservative media outlets.  

 
dkp993 said:
He was chosen solely because they felt he had the best chance to beat Trump.  Policy had nothing to do with it.  Branding and marketing.  
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So Democrats realized a moderate was key in winning the election?.....that Sanders/Warren weren't going to cut it?

 
dkp993 said:
He was chosen solely because they felt he had the best chance to beat Trump.  Policy had nothing to do with it.  Branding and marketing.  
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Really?  Other than his centrist policies why would people think he had the best chance to beat Trump?  I don’t see much else there.  He’s old and lacks charisma compared to some of the other candidates in the D field. 

 
Dickies said:
Really?  Other than his centrist policies why would people think he had the best chance to beat Trump?  I don’t see much else there.  He’s old and lacks charisma compared to some of the other candidates in the D field. 
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Really?  You believe Democrats are the party of moderates today.  

 
dkp993 said:
Really?  You believe Democrats are the party of moderates today.  
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Not all of them (myself included).  I do think overall that the Democrats are way more moderate than the GOP. The more moderate Republicans have been booted from the party for failure to pledge 100% loyalty to the Trump cult. The GOP is a race to insanity with guys like Nunes, Jordan, MCConnell, Cruz, Taylot-Greene, Gohmert, Bohbert and Gaetz all jockeying for position. 

 
Dickies said:
Not all of them (myself included).  I do think overall that the Democrats are way more moderate than the GOP. The more moderate Republicans have been booted from the party for failure to pledge 100% loyalty to the Trump cult. The GOP is a race to insanity with guys like Nunes, Jordan, MCConnell, Cruz, Taylot-Greene, Gohmert, Bohbert and Gaetz all jockeying for position. 
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I 100% agree with your take on the GOP. And “more moderate then” the current GOP is an extraordinary low bar to clear.  But the Dems aren’t far behind and running to catch up imo. Despite Biden’s nom it’s moving left at breakneck speed.  

 
BladeRunner said:
I would say donating any money to any politician is a waste.  That's not going to stop anyone, though.  Heck, people "donated" to the Clinton Slush Fund for decades.
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.... but Clinton!   I can't believe that she's still taking up space in your head.

 
dkp993 said:
He is who we thought he is.  Those who don’t see it never will and those that do knew it long ago.  Same as it ever was.  No opinions are changing at this point so I’m not really sure what purpose a thread like this has.  
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Exactly. All they will do is get a larger "F### Biden" sign or react with a laughing emoji ( like the laughing emoji really makes you rethink what you've posted) While you won't see it here I think there are some independents and those on the fence on Trump who will hope for a better option in 2024. Not large numbers mind you but a few.

 
that article .... the guy never checked his bank account? 

a lot of things you contribute/buy have reoccurring payments .... I fought one just a few months ago myself

it was a site where I subscribed to 6 months and afterward I canceled .... but there was another layer of "cancel" I guess and they withdrew the $$ and my fighting didn't matter, i lost that $75

gotta watch those auto-withdraw's 

 
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