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Footballguy
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I knew he was injured early, but didn't remember it being a tear. Yeah I guess he recovered from that one just fine.
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Cam Akers torn achilles - 7.20.21 - What do you see as the effects? (1 Viewer)
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I knew he was injured early, but didn't remember it being a tear. Yeah I guess he recovered from that one just fine.
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Footballguy
I figured he was waiting until a decent team had a spot to fill close to the season opening. This may be the best chance he gets.
it's possible Henderson does better than cam would have, partly because cam would have lost more carries to Henderson than Henderson does to the others. 
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That's an opinion and he sure was not an RB1 for anyone and not reliable in this offense. When you say he has no competition, you think the Rams are just going to roll with him and give him 250-300 touches? I don't see that at all.
Gamelogs for Henderson, never was an owner treated to sure fire returns at any point last year that I can see.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
What's he worth now in a dynasty? He was pulling two future 1sts prior to this. A single 2nd probably?
Boston
Footballguy
The Rams maybe the most aggressive team in the NFL as far as making trades, I fully expect them to bring in at least a quality vet here and I am thinking more than just a Bell or Peterson.
facook
Footballguy
Sorry bro. I drafted him in not one but TWO guillotine leagues recently. I was able to secure Henderson in one, "just in case", but seems likely I'll be cut early in both.
You made a great trade at the time and honestly I still think a good trade. I know I'd give Hunt+ for Akers all day long right now.
Probably more in line with a pair of 2nds. I feel like I'm aiming low and looking at the bottom of the RB2 ranks as potential trade targets.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You really only need to survive Week 1 in order to have access to an RB who could potentially salvage your season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Akers?
I was just wondering that. Big risk due to the nature of the injury. I would guess he’s likely off the table. The Akers owner is dealing with a fresh wound, and would be unlikely to appreciate an “adding insult to injury” kind of offer.
if I’m an Akers owner I’m likely standing pat to see how he recovers. I’m never getting the value I though he was worth so unless I’m desperate, I'm gonna take a wait & see approach.
looking at it in a vacuum, I’d say a 2023 1st or a 2022 2nd & a 2022 3rd? somewhere in that neighborhood.
But good luck getting a taker for that. The 3 Akers owners I know all thought he was gonna be a top 5 RB this year.
Pipes
Footballguy
True but Akers just turned 22. Has a RB this young and talented torn an achillies before?
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-jb-
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Stinkin Ref
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I was fading Akers at his price anyway.....wasn't really buying the jump people were expecting....they brought in Stafford, Desean Jackson, etc....I feel this team was going to throw way more than people thought Kupp/Woods/Jackson/Jefferson/Higbee....gonna chuck it
Boston
Footballguy
He is a guy I immediately thought of…not sure what the deal with his bloated contract is but that could make sense for both teams…Sony Michel and Melvin Gordon are two other guys I could see them pursuing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
-jb-
Footballguy
Let's say you drafted him as a rookie. Probably a first round pick. Now what? Odds say he's toast, and you won't have him for a year regardless. Gimme a third and I smash accept.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You may be right. It can be difficult to let go though. Thankfully I’m not in a position to have to worry about that.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Have Henderson sitting on my bench as my RB5-6 in dynasty, what could he fetch me now? I couldnt even give him to the Akers owner a couple months ago.
As for Rams, I think Lev Bell would be a better option than Gore or Gurley. Lev can catch it. But he is such a weirdo, and wont play unless he gets a bigger contract that comes with a July signing due to injury. Rams could just go with what they have, RBBC and hope it works out week to week. Let Stafford sling it 40+ times a game.
As for Rams, I think Lev Bell would be a better option than Gore or Gurley. Lev can catch it. But he is such a weirdo, and wont play unless he gets a bigger contract that comes with a July signing due to injury. Rams could just go with what they have, RBBC and hope it works out week to week. Let Stafford sling it 40+ times a game.
Man, I feel terrible for Akers. What a bummer. McVay has to be kicking himself over letting Malcolm Brown walk for nothing. I think you'll see the Rams trade for one of the Texans many RB's - David Johnson seems like a good fit. Lions should really deal Jamaal Williams there but can't imagine they will.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dave Stauff
Footballguy
Thinking Gordon or Lindsay , , ,
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Why would the Lions trade Williams who they just signed? After cutting Kerryon, they don't have experience at RB.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Tom Brady just got closer to winning No 8 because now the Rams are going to be more of a passing team and their offense really is set up like San Fran thru a lot of their power running game and that has taken a massive hit before the train has even left the station.
It's going to take away 1 to 2 Wins so if they were 11-6, I'd say they are more 9-8 now as an example. Personally I move them from about 12 wins to 10 and more of a wildcard berth team.
It's going to take away 1 to 2 Wins so if they were 11-6, I'd say they are more 9-8 now as an example. Personally I move them from about 12 wins to 10 and more of a wildcard berth team.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The Bucs for some counter perspective have RoJo and Fournette plus they are grooming 1-2 other RBs that can possibly be worked in to run the clock at times. The Bucs are deep and not just at RB but WR and TE they have several guys that can come in and do the job. Team like the Rams are top heavy and injuries take their toll much harder IMHO.
Because they're not going anywhere this year - they will be lucky to win 5 games. They're playing for 2023 and beyond. If you can get a 3rd rounder for Williams, it's a no-brainer.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Playing Basketball has its risks. My cousin who was a pretty difficult guy for me to tackle hurt himself playing basketball and he never made me miss a tackle since.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I feel pretty confident the Vegas win totals will not be effected by Akers injury at all - I doubt any RB (outside of maybe Henry) changes the expected win total of an NFL team.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Akers was being over valued based on coach speak and a small sample size of games.
As of now Hendersons opportunity just increased maseively but I would advise people to temper their expectations of him as well.
Dont let one mistake lead to another.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure but this is a real team, not a Madden dynasty. Teams don't trade FA signings. What kind of message does that send to your players and future FA targets when you recruit a player and then trade him before he ever plays with you? Plus, nobody is giving a 3rd round pick for Jamaal Williams.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I think people a) way over estimate the value of a yet unproven RB and b) underestimate a team's ability to replace 625 rushing yards from 2020 (whether it be internally, through free agency, or via trade). It's not like the Rams lost Barry Sanders.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yep. I got tired of talking about how people were over valuing Akers.
I am sad that Akers got injured and I wish him the best. I also wish he would have stayed healthy though so I could have heard folks crying in the beer for over drafting him in the first place.
We can agree to disagree. The Lions should actively be trying to hoard picks and increase their chances of having the 1st pick in the 2022 draft. This would do both. Yes, it's brutal but it also works - many smart teams have done it, including the Browns and look at them now.
That is actually irrelevant. If that is what you base your next move on then you are doing yourself a disservice. That is already a sunk cost so now you need to move forward. If you think this is a devastating injury that he cannot come back from moving him for anything is the right move. I am not saying I think that to be the case. Just there are lots of outcomes and depending on how you think dictates how you should proceed. However, in none of those cases does what you invested in him previously come into play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s always relevant. I get your point, but some folks see a 1st round investment as a reason to hold & see what happens rather than sell for anything you can get.
On another note, while I have nothing invested in him, I know that when I’ve had a player go down with injury I find the vultures a bit difficult to stomach.
At least let me get my bearings before coming down my row trying to capitalize on my misfortune.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Detroit knows they are not going anywhere but Williams is the kind of guy you want to change the culture there. On top of the fact that they probably don’t want to wear the tread too much on Swift this coming year. Williams is a tough-nosed, no-nonsense back and those are the kind of players the Lion’s are looking to add not get rid of.
I completely disagree with this statement. What you paid for a player is irrelevant after that fact. It doesn't matter if he was a first round pick anymore now that he tore his achilles (or whatever change has occurred). If you try and use that as justification for not making a deal based on current situation you are doing yourself a disservice. I am not saying he isn't still worth what you paid (not necessarily talking about Akers situation) but that has nothing to do with any deals moving forward. That cost is already sunk.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Adrian Peterson played with Stafford last year and if he has anything left in the tank he seems like the logical addition.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sunk cost is a binary concept for most folks. I’ve been trying to explain it to clients and executives for 40+ years. People get it or they don’t, very few converts. It should be an intellectual exercise but for the vast majority of society it’s a mindset. Because of that entrenchment in their mind as a foundational belief system, they will hang onto it like grim death, no matter how many times life demonstrates to them the fallacy of not acknowledging the reality of a sunk cost.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't ever recall a player signing as a FA with a new team and being traded before he played for them. Nobody is offering a 3rd round pick for Williams. He was just a FA and basically got a 1 year deal. There's not a market for veteran mediocre backs. But sure, if the Rams offer a 3rd round pick, they should take it.
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