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'shuke said:
'Sarnoff said:
'General Malaise said:
I can't believe there wasn't some editing of the laughter post show. They were QUICK with the laughs after every line (seriously, is EVERY line supposed to kill? Not 5% of them were remotely funny) and then VERY quick to go back to silent. I find that incredibly challenging for a live studio audience to achieve.

Somebody else want to chime in? I am utterly convinced that was manipulated laughter.
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I don't work on Whitney, but I've worked on lots of live-action "in front of a live audience" sitcoms, and there's a few things going on. First, at least 80% of the show is probably indeed shot in front of a live audience. Anything with a weird set or one-off location would be taped ahead of time for logistical reasons, but then edited overnight and shown to the live audience while their laughter is recorded.

However, the main problem is that the live audience are just average jerks off the street, most of whom have grown up watching bad laugh track TV, and when they get to Hollywood and sit in one of these audiences, they instantly forget their own natural laugh and laugh like they think they're supposed to. So they end up sounding fake anyway. You have no idea how weird it is, there's usually a stand up comic to "warm up" the crowd and get them in the mood, and they all sound normal, then the action starts and suddenly they're all braying like donkeys.

(Most shows don't go to the expense of hiring "professional laughers" (this job really exists) to seed the audience, and they should. Pros can give a natural laugh on cue, and can also do some funny giggles and laughs that are so unique that people who hear it laugh at them. It does help sometimes to get a pro but they're not cheap.)

Anyway, once the live audience's laughs, which now sound fake because they're imitating the "laugh track" sound they think we want, is recorded, it goes into the post process. At this point different takes have to be edited together, and some fake laughs are used to bridge cuts between the takes. Otherwise we'd only be able to use one take of each entire scene. Then when the editing is done, we do the sound mix, and a "laugh man" comes in to "sweeten" the sound. He's got special "laugh box" with faders on it, so he can push one for the number of people laughing and another for the intensity of the laughter... so he can do one guy laughing a little (both faders down) or a crowd laughing a lot (both faders all the way up). He's there to "punch up" and smooth the natural laughs with a little enhancement so the joke gets exactly the amount and duration of laughter the executive producer (would not be Whitney herself) wants. These "laugh men" will prepare for the sound mix by laying down a laugh after every possible thing in the show that could maybe be considered funny, and will usually leave it up to the producer to ask for a laugh to be taken out. I've occasionally heard a producer ask 'is that the laugh box or the recording?', but since these guys are usually the joke writers, it's rare they take out laughs.

So what you end up with is a live audience acting like a fake audience, supplemented by fake laughter in post.
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Good stuff here.
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I laughed. I couldn't afford a professional to do it for me.

 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'shuke said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
Shuke> Watch Breaking Bad from the beginning. It's available on Netflix Instant. It's totally worth it. Right up there with best shows ever and seems to keep getting better.
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I don't have one of those Netflix thingies.
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is watching on a computer an option? I'd subscribe to netflix streaming for a month or two just for that. especially if you have the time from not watching much else these days.
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It's an option but not the best one. I shoudl probably wait until I get a new laptop and wireless router so I can hook up to my TV, right?
 
'krista4 said:
Catching up on a rainy day in Panama.

Sorry for your loss, Mr.Pack.

Congrats to Cal Catfish!

Mr. krista is very excited about the move of GMTANhole to Vegas. Do we have many poker players in this group?

Panama is cool and is making me question my decision to buy property in Nicaragua. Maybe we'll buy a place in all Central American countries and the northern countries of South America, just to be safe.

The Panama Canal is much more worth seeing than I ever would have imagined. It's mesmerizing to me.

Is it just Mr. krista or does every guy spend time on this website?
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pretty sure this is :dead: now...
 
'Sarnoff said:
'General Malaise said:
I can't believe there wasn't some editing of the laughter post show. They were QUICK with the laughs after every line (seriously, is EVERY line supposed to kill? Not 5% of them were remotely funny) and then VERY quick to go back to silent. I find that incredibly challenging for a live studio audience to achieve.

Somebody else want to chime in? I am utterly convinced that was manipulated laughter.
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I don't work on Whitney, but I've worked on lots of live-action "in front of a live audience" sitcoms, and there's a few things going on. First, at least 80% of the show is probably indeed shot in front of a live audience. Anything with a weird set or one-off location would be taped ahead of time for logistical reasons, but then edited overnight and shown to the live audience while their laughter is recorded.

However, the main problem is that the live audience are just average jerks off the street, most of whom have grown up watching bad laugh track TV, and when they get to Hollywood and sit in one of these audiences, they instantly forget their own natural laugh and laugh like they think they're supposed to. So they end up sounding fake anyway. You have no idea how weird it is, there's usually a stand up comic to "warm up" the crowd and get them in the mood, and they all sound normal, then the action starts and suddenly they're all braying like donkeys.

(Most shows don't go to the expense of hiring "professional laughers" (this job really exists) to seed the audience, and they should. Pros can give a natural laugh on cue, and can also do some funny giggles and laughs that are so unique that people who hear it laugh at them. It does help sometimes to get a pro but they're not cheap.)

Anyway, once the live audience's laughs, which now sound fake because they're imitating the "laugh track" sound they think we want, is recorded, it goes into the post process. At this point different takes have to be edited together, and some fake laughs are used to bridge cuts between the takes. Otherwise we'd only be able to use one take of each entire scene. Then when the editing is done, we do the sound mix, and a "laugh man" comes in to "sweeten" the sound. He's got special "laugh box" with faders on it, so he can push one for the number of people laughing and another for the intensity of the laughter... so he can do one guy laughing a little (both faders down) or a crowd laughing a lot (both faders all the way up). He's there to "punch up" and smooth the natural laughs with a little enhancement so the joke gets exactly the amount and duration of laughter the executive producer (would not be Whitney herself) wants. These "laugh men" will prepare for the sound mix by laying down a laugh after every possible thing in the show that could maybe be considered funny, and will usually leave it up to the producer to ask for a laugh to be taken out. I've occasionally heard a producer ask 'is that the laugh box or the recording?', but since these guys are usually the joke writers, it's rare they take out laughs.

So what you end up with is a live audience acting like a fake audience, supplemented by fake laughter in post.
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awesome post.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
cooking flies in your oven sounds pretty awful b/c then you have dead bugs in there.easiest way to kill fruit flies is put some juice or apple cider vinegar in a bowl and put a couple drops of dish soap in it. the smell attracts them but the dish soap makes them stick so they drown themselves basically. can usually catch them all in a day or so.
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got this going while I'm at work.
 
'cosjobs said:
I laughed.

I couldn't afford a professional to do it for me.
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What also makes it sound fake is that the audience has been subjected to the same scene over and over and over again for hours. Some shows will hold an audience for four, five, or six hours to get 22 minutes done right. They'll see the same scene five times, then the director still won't be happy with one performance, so they'll do pickups for 15 minutes. Then the writer will want to try an alternate punchline or change the wording, and they'll shoot it again. You know what's funny? A good joke. You know what's not funny? The same joke after you've heard it 20 times in a row over 20 minutes. You know what's even less funny? Hearing just the punchline over and over for another 10 minutes while you're waiting for the guy telling it to not #### it up for once.

So if the audience is going to laugh naturally, at all, it's gonna be on the first take. Which is going to be the worst take for the actors. But when they re-shoot it, the audience has already heard the joke and they revert to the 'canned laugh' response.

The only time this doesn't happen is if the director for the series is Jimmy Burrows. He's the best sitcom director in the business, bar none. When he directs a series, he trains the actors well and only does one take of each scene. One take, and done. If an actor messes up, he stops them right there on that line and has them go again from that spot. The man is like a ninja, I've watched him work and what goes on in his brain is amazing. He doesn't even watch the monitors, he just stands between a couple of cameras, arms folded, and watches the actors. Then he'll turn his head slightly, whisper to a camera man "You're in the wrong spot, you'll get a better shot over there", then kicks the camera (on wheels) over a few feet and somehow he knows in his mind what shot the camera is framing now. Doesn't stop the performance, he just knows exactly what all four cameras are seeing and how it will edit together. What takes us five hours to shoot he'll get in 60-90 minutes. The audience has no choice but to laugh naturally because they can't keep up otherwise. If you want to hear the sound of natural laughs, check out any series he directed the majority of episodes for... Taxi (75 eps), Cheers (237), Will & Grace (187), and Mike & Molly (all of last season and every one this season). Those are going to be the most real laughter you'll get on a sitcom.

 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
cooking flies in your oven sounds pretty awful b/c then you have dead bugs in there.easiest way to kill fruit flies is put some juice or apple cider vinegar in a bowl and put a couple drops of dish soap in it. the smell attracts them but the dish soap makes them stick so they drown themselves basically. can usually catch them all in a day or so.
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meh, they disintegrate pretty fast.
 
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'cosjobs said:
'McJose said:
Modern Family and The Office are about the only comedies I watch every week.The Middle is actually not a bad show. My wife loves it.
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Tried it twice because P Heaton makes me hard, but never made it past five minutes. Which I secretly rejoiced because my attraction to Heaton is not unlike Palin's.
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Heaton was an insufferable witch on Everybody Loves Raymond. She's a lot more sympathetic on The Middle. The show isn't great but I like it because it does a decent job of portraying a typical middle-middle class American family. The husband has to work a second job sometimes to make ends meet, the kids are all weird in their own way, the mom and dad aren't perfect parents, their house is cluttered etc. I was cracking up the other night because both the mom and dad had to rig the dishwasher with duct tape to get it to run. Then they had to prop the door closed with a broom. Later on in the episode the mom had to shut off the dishwasher to use the broom to keep the clothes dryer door closed "I can't find the 'dryer broom' and I need clean clothes more than clean dishes right now".
 
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Oh Yes! said:
'Gadzooks said:
'Oh Yes! said:
if you looked exactly like Saddam Hussein and a stranger pointed that out, would you be upset?
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What if you were told you look like a weather man?
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which one?
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?????
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SLB.....Next
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????????
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Bobby Sac?ETA: Apologies to Bobby Sac if he's not black.
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I never knew Mr. Pack was a stryker alias.Why do you hate negroes?

 
'cosjobs said:
'General Malaise said:
'cosjobs said:
I need someone who can make by basic website look pretty and stuff. With little direction and input from my end.Any fbgs doing this now?
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Keerock is your man. :thumbup:
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Not returning PMs. Anyone else?
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Some people don't check their PMs or turn off notifications. I do. It's not the best way to get a hold of some. I'll send you his email address to your email address. You still need to return my email from yesterday.
 
'shuke said:
'Sarnoff said:
'General Malaise said:
I can't believe there wasn't some editing of the laughter post show. They were QUICK with the laughs after every line (seriously, is EVERY line supposed to kill? Not 5% of them were remotely funny) and then VERY quick to go back to silent. I find that incredibly challenging for a live studio audience to achieve.

Somebody else want to chime in? I am utterly convinced that was manipulated laughter.
Click to expand...
I don't work on Whitney, but I've worked on lots of live-action "in front of a live audience" sitcoms, and there's a few things going on. First, at least 80% of the show is probably indeed shot in front of a live audience. Anything with a weird set or one-off location would be taped ahead of time for logistical reasons, but then edited overnight and shown to the live audience while their laughter is recorded.

However, the main problem is that the live audience are just average jerks off the street, most of whom have grown up watching bad laugh track TV, and when they get to Hollywood and sit in one of these audiences, they instantly forget their own natural laugh and laugh like they think they're supposed to. So they end up sounding fake anyway. You have no idea how weird it is, there's usually a stand up comic to "warm up" the crowd and get them in the mood, and they all sound normal, then the action starts and suddenly they're all braying like donkeys.

(Most shows don't go to the expense of hiring "professional laughers" (this job really exists) to seed the audience, and they should. Pros can give a natural laugh on cue, and can also do some funny giggles and laughs that are so unique that people who hear it laugh at them. It does help sometimes to get a pro but they're not cheap.)

Anyway, once the live audience's laughs, which now sound fake because they're imitating the "laugh track" sound they think we want, is recorded, it goes into the post process. At this point different takes have to be edited together, and some fake laughs are used to bridge cuts between the takes. Otherwise we'd only be able to use one take of each entire scene. Then when the editing is done, we do the sound mix, and a "laugh man" comes in to "sweeten" the sound. He's got special "laugh box" with faders on it, so he can push one for the number of people laughing and another for the intensity of the laughter... so he can do one guy laughing a little (both faders down) or a crowd laughing a lot (both faders all the way up). He's there to "punch up" and smooth the natural laughs with a little enhancement so the joke gets exactly the amount and duration of laughter the executive producer (would not be Whitney herself) wants. These "laugh men" will prepare for the sound mix by laying down a laugh after every possible thing in the show that could maybe be considered funny, and will usually leave it up to the producer to ask for a laugh to be taken out. I've occasionally heard a producer ask 'is that the laugh box or the recording?', but since these guys are usually the joke writers, it's rare they take out laughs.

So what you end up with is a live audience acting like a fake audience, supplemented by fake laughter in post.
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Good stuff here.
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:goodposting: Love that we have an 'insider' in our midst.

 
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Oh Yes! said:
'Gadzooks said:
'Oh Yes! said:
if you looked exactly like Saddam Hussein and a stranger pointed that out, would you be upset?
Click to expand...
What if you were told you look like a weather man?
Click to expand...
which one?
Click to expand...
?????
Click to expand...
SLB.....Next
Click to expand...
????????
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Bobby Sac?ETA: Apologies to Bobby Sac if he's not black.
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I never knew Mr. Pack was a stryker alias.Why do you hate negroes?
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I don't hate Negroes. Hell, one of the Fantasy Football leagues I'm in, the division I'm in is called the Negroes. I didn't want to be in the Honkies div.I love everyone.

 
'Mr.Pack said:
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Oh Yes! said:
'Gadzooks said:
'Oh Yes! said:
if you looked exactly like Saddam Hussein and a stranger pointed that out, would you be upset?
Click to expand...
What if you were told you look like a weather man?
Click to expand...
which one?
Click to expand...
?????
Click to expand...
SLB.....Next
Click to expand...
????????
Click to expand...
Bobby Sac?ETA: Apologies to Bobby Sac if he's not black.
Click to expand...
I never knew Mr. Pack was a stryker alias.Why do you hate negroes?
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I don't hate Negroes. Hell, one of the Fantasy Football leagues I'm in, the division I'm in is called the Negroes. I didn't want to be in the Honkies div.I love everyone.
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Is your one black friend in that league, too? :rant:
 
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'Oh Yes! said:
'Gadzooks said:
'Oh Yes! said:
if you looked exactly like Saddam Hussein and a stranger pointed that out, would you be upset?
Click to expand...
What if you were told you look like a weather man?
Click to expand...
which one?
Click to expand...
?????
Click to expand...
SLB.....Next
Click to expand...
????????
Click to expand...
Bobby Sac?ETA: Apologies to Bobby Sac if he's not black.
Click to expand...
I never knew Mr. Pack was a stryker alias.Why do you hate negroes?
Click to expand...
I don't hate Negroes. Hell, one of the Fantasy Football leagues I'm in, the division I'm in is called the Negroes. I didn't want to be in the Honkies div.I love everyone.
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Is your one black friend in that league, too? :rant:
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My friends tel me I'm the blackest guy they know.When it comes to dancing anyway.

 
'McJose said:
'cosjobs said:
'McJose said:
Modern Family and The Office are about the only comedies I watch every week.The Middle is actually not a bad show. My wife loves it.
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Tried it twice because P Heaton makes me hard, but never made it past five minutes. Which I secretly rejoiced because my attraction to Heaton is not unlike Palin's.
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Heaton was an insufferable witch on Everybody Loves Raymond. She's a lot more sympathetic on The Middle. The show isn't great but I like it because it does a decent job of portraying a typical middle-middle class American family. The husband has to work a second job sometimes to make ends meet, the kids are all weird in their own way, the mom and dad aren't perfect parents, their house is cluttered etc. I was cracking up the other night because both the mom and dad had to rig the dishwasher with duct tape to get it to run. Then they had to prop the door closed with a broom. Later on in the episode the mom had to shut off the dishwasher to use the broom to keep the clothes dryer door closed "I can't find the 'dryer broom' and I need clean clothes more than clean dishes right now".
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Sounds like what Roseanne had going for it in a lot of ways, even if the leads a political polar opposites.
 
'Sarnoff said:
'cosjobs said:
I laughed.

I couldn't afford a professional to do it for me.
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What also makes it sound fake is that the audience has been subjected to the same scene over and over and over again for hours. Some shows will hold an audience for four, five, or six hours to get 22 minutes done right. They'll see the same scene five times, then the director still won't be happy with one performance, so they'll do pickups for 15 minutes. Then the writer will want to try an alternate punchline or change the wording, and they'll shoot it again. You know what's funny? A good joke. You know what's not funny? The same joke after you've heard it 20 times in a row over 20 minutes. You know what's even less funny? Hearing just the punchline over and over for another 10 minutes while you're waiting for the guy telling it to not #### it up for once.

So if the audience is going to laugh naturally, at all, it's gonna be on the first take. Which is going to be the worst take for the actors. But when they re-shoot it, the audience has already heard the joke and they revert to the 'canned laugh' response.

The only time this doesn't happen is if the director for the series is Jimmy Burrows. He's the best sitcom director in the business, bar none. When he directs a series, he trains the actors well and only does one take of each scene. One take, and done. If an actor messes up, he stops them right there on that line and has them go again from that spot. The man is like a ninja, I've watched him work and what goes on in his brain is amazing. He doesn't even watch the monitors, he just stands between a couple of cameras, arms folded, and watches the actors. Then he'll turn his head slightly, whisper to a camera man "You're in the wrong spot, you'll get a better shot over there", then kicks the camera (on wheels) over a few feet and somehow he knows in his mind what shot the camera is framing now. Doesn't stop the performance, he just knows exactly what all four cameras are seeing and how it will edit together. What takes us five hours to shoot he'll get in 60-90 minutes. The audience has no choice but to laugh naturally because they can't keep up otherwise. If you want to hear the sound of natural laughs, check out any series he directed the majority of episodes for... Taxi (75 eps), Cheers (237), Will & Grace (187), and Mike & Molly (all of last season and every one this season). Those are going to be the most real laughter you'll get on a sitcom.
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Adding your last two posts about this to Post #1...which I haven't done in months.Should I add anything else? We kind hit some flat water for a spell. :unsure:

 
'Mr.Pack said:
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
Bobby Sac?ETA: Apologies to Bobby Sac if he's not black.
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I never knew Mr. Pack was a stryker alias.Why do you hate negroes?
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I don't hate Negroes. Hell, one of the Fantasy Football leagues I'm in, the division I'm in is called the Negroes. I didn't want to be in the Honkies div.I love everyone.
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Is your one black friend in that league, too? :rant:
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My friends tel me I'm the blackest guy they know.When it comes to dancing anyway.
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So you don't even have a token black friend.You're in WI, right? Should at least know Prince Fielder imo. I mean, it's not like it's Minnesota.
 
I love to cook more than anything but am feeling really, really uninspired lately. Any of you cookingguys or husbands of cookinggals> can you throw out a good go-to/favorite recipe? It can involve any protein, in any way. Preferably something that is good for leftovers, as it's just the two of us.

ETA: please no masturbation chicken recipes

 
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'YSR said:
I love to cook more than anything but am feeling really, really uninspired lately. Any of you cookingguys or husbands of cookinggals> can you throw out a good go-to/favorite recipe? It can involve any protein, in any way. Preferably something that is good for leftovers, as it's just the two of us.
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My wife makes a very simple dish with noodles, cream of mushroom soup, sour cream, and hamburger meat. Great for left-overs and I like it...but I could probably live on boxed mac-n-cheese, so take it FWIW.
 
'Dr. Watson said:
'YSR said:
I love to cook more than anything but am feeling really, really uninspired lately. Any of you cookingguys or husbands of cookinggals> can you throw out a good go-to/favorite recipe? It can involve any protein, in any way. Preferably something that is good for leftovers, as it's just the two of us.
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My wife makes a very simple dish with noodles, cream of mushroom soup, sour cream, and hamburger meat. Great for left-overs and I like it...but I could probably live on boxed mac-n-cheese, so take it FWIW.
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Poor man's Beef Stroganoff. :thumbup:
 
'Tecumseh said:
'Dr. Watson said:
'YSR said:
I love to cook more than anything but am feeling really, really uninspired lately. Any of you cookingguys or husbands of cookinggals> can you throw out a good go-to/favorite recipe? It can involve any protein, in any way. Preferably something that is good for leftovers, as it's just the two of us.
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My wife makes a very simple dish with noodles, cream of mushroom soup, sour cream, and hamburger meat. Great for left-overs and I like it...but I could probably live on boxed mac-n-cheese, so take it FWIW.
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Poor man's Beef Stroganoff. :thumbup:
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Fitting description...not poor as in "can't pay the bills", but poor as in "this is probably as good as it gets for my wife's cullinary skills". :shrug:
 
'Dr. Watson said:
'YSR said:
I love to cook more than anything but am feeling really, really uninspired lately. Any of you cookingguys or husbands of cookinggals> can you throw out a good go-to/favorite recipe? It can involve any protein, in any way. Preferably something that is good for leftovers, as it's just the two of us.
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My wife makes a very simple dish with noodles, cream of mushroom soup, sour cream, and hamburger meat. Great for left-overs and I like it...but I could probably live on boxed mac-n-cheese, so take it FWIW.
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That's my go-to quasi-beef stroganoff recipe.Brown 1 lb of ground beef/venison/etc.DrainStir in 1 cup cream of mushroom w/ garlicBring to slow boil.Add 1 cup sour creamStir on low heat until hot. Do not let it boil.Serve over egg noodles.WA LAEdit> :thumbup: Tecumseh
 
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'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Mr.Pack said:
Bobby Sac?ETA: Apologies to Bobby Sac if he's not black.
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I never knew Mr. Pack was a stryker alias.Why do you hate negroes?
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I don't hate Negroes. Hell, one of the Fantasy Football leagues I'm in, the division I'm in is called the Negroes. I didn't want to be in the Honkies div.I love everyone.
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Is your one black friend in that league, too? :rant:
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My friends tel me I'm the blackest guy they know.When it comes to dancing anyway.
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So you don't even have a token black friend.You're in WI, right? Should at least know Prince Fielder imo. I mean, it's not like it's Minnesota.
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I have a few black friends for sure. One ex-Packer is a good friend as well. He helped me coach our daughters little league team for a year. Great guy.
 
'shuke said:
'General Malaise said:
Should I add anything else? We kind hit some flat water for a spell. :unsure:
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I'd like to know if there's anything of substance in here from the past 4 weeks.
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Okay, well there was a big cornhole planned for Las Vegas next year.....and then the location got switched to Oregon to go sasquatch searching and fishing....then wives started coming along....then there was talk of renting a river in Oregon, and then GM volunteered to rent out Mt Hood to go skiing with Cosjobs.......and then the locale got switched to Seattle.....and then back to Vegas.......and then there was a brewhaha in regard to drinking yards of alcohol and I'm pretty sure Rudnicki and Tanner were going to get into a fist fight, but Tre stepped in and told them to chill......and I think that about catches you up. hth.
 
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