+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Go Browns!
We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Good lord no, not as their future QB anyway. The guy's had one good game his entire career, for a team with more talent than any other team in the league.go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=301219017More importantly, everything I hear indicates that people in the know think he is a very good QB.Good lord no, not as their future QB anyway. The guy's had one good game his entire career, for a team with more talent than any other team in the league.go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Sounds good to me Mr. Underpants Gnome'ConnSKINS26 said:1. Trade up to #2 overall.2. Draft RG3.3. ???4. Profit.
That wasn't supposed to be reported. It wasn't a statement or an interview. It was a pep talk, between coach and players, that was basically recorded/overheard.Kyle Shannahan has already predicted the NFC East title to the Skins so is a franchise QB really necessary I wish Redskin players and coaches would leave the delusional rantings about greatness to the experts on their own radio stations. There arrogance is amazing given how awful they have been
It is beginning to feel a bit like Groundhog Day here. Each year it's "we're rebuilding, be patient, have faith", almost as though 6-10 and 5-11 didn't happen. The Skins had 5 FG's blocked by the way. No other team had more than 2, and 14 teams had none at all. I'm sure I'll be told to be patient with Danny Smith.They gave up 30 points in 4 of their last 5 games. I'm sure I'll be told to be patient while they learn Jim Haslett's system.Their biggest weaknesses last offseason were offensive line, QB, and WR. Their biggest weaknesses now are offensive line, QB, DB. I'm sure I'll be told it takes time to rebuild.Might as well save time and start the 2013 and 2014 off season threads as well.
My guess is that the Jets will break the bank trying to move up and draft Luck or Griffin.what id like to see this off-season and in preparation for nxt season....--some combination of...signing Flynn and/or Josh Johnson, draft a couple QB's past 2nd rd., or trade up to get RGIII.
I don't see how they can re-sign Landry unless it's a performance-based contract. It seems he's chronically injured, and chronically-injured players take up roster spots and salary with no benefit to the team. Atogwe is also hurt a lot.--id also like to see another starting corner and 2 new safeties. cut atogwe and dont resign landry, unless it's below market short term contract.
I'm not sure about Gomes yet, he looks a bit lost in coverage sometimes. But Riley should start and unless I miss my guess Hankerson will be a productive starter next year as well. Maybe I have a little more faith in him than most do, but I think the talent and work ethic are there to be a starter.--riley, hankerson, and ghomes all ready to starters full time, coupled w/ 3 legitimate, starting 2012 draft picks.--continued development of royster/helu and re-sign hightower(cant cost much).
I agree about wanting young players but I see no need to be low spending. The Skins have $17 million or so in cap money they didn't spend this year, and that $17 million becomes available next year on top of next year's salary cap. I don't want to see them overpay wildly, but being frugal losers doesn't do much for me.--low spending free agency, unless value presents itself w a young starting player.
I'd get rid of Jamaal Brown. He's injured a lot and below average when he plays. Stop wasting roster space with him if they can get someone younger and at least as capable. Stop wasting roster space on chronically injured guys. He'll never be his old all-pro self again.--o line.. keep the tackles, both of them. maybe even draft an OT in 1st. need to draft a couple interior linemen.
They need a QB in the worst way.--draft BPA as the draft plan.
They better be .500 or better next year.still a yr away i think.
They are far away from being a legit contender, but it really doesn't take much to get to 0.500.They better be .500 or better next year.still a yr away i think.
Fans like you are a big part of the problem. This isn't a microwave fix, it's not going to be taken care of in two years. We discussed this nonstop this past year, you posted several times about the volume of needs we had at the start of the year (everything but TE). Shanny and Allen have done a decent job of putting some quality players in positons of need.But let's scrap all of that, fire the coaching staff and start all over. Then you can complain in two years that Gruden/Cowher/whoever hasn't done a good job in building a team overnight.It is beginning to feel a bit like Groundhog Day here. Each year it's "we're rebuilding, be patient, have faith", almost as though 6-10 and 5-11 didn't happen. The Skins had 5 FG's blocked by the way. No other team had more than 2, and 14 teams had none at all. I'm sure I'll be told to be patient with Danny Smith.They gave up 30 points in 4 of their last 5 games. I'm sure I'll be told to be patient while they learn Jim Haslett's system.Their biggest weaknesses last offseason were offensive line, QB, and WR. Their biggest weaknesses now are offensive line, QB, DB. I'm sure I'll be told it takes time to rebuild.Might as well save time and start the 2013 and 2014 off season threads as well.
Right, because I pick the players and accept substandard coaching and playing.Fans who accept losing year after year and make excuses for it in resignation are more of a problem than I am. Fans of any other team in the league would be upset after 4 straight last-place finishes and records of 8-8, 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11. Apparently some Skins fans are so beat down it's easier to accept the losing, make excuses for those involved in it, and criticize fans who are pissed off at losing. I remember the radio show with Vinnie and Larry Michael bashing fans for complaining. Seems that tradition is alive and well here. Any time someone's critical the "you just support Dan Snyder's rash decisions" boogeyman card is waved around.Fans like you are a big part of the problem.
Barry SvrlugaThe Redskins’ opponents for 2012 – home and away – are now set. In addition to home and away games against their regular NFC East opponents, they will face all four teams from the AFC North, with trips to Cleveland and Pittsburgh and home games against Baltimore and Cincinnati.They face the NFC South, with games at New Orleans and Tampa Bay and home dates against Carolina and Atlanta. And they will host Minnesota, the last-place team from the NFC North, and play at St. Louis, the last-place team from the NFC West. It will be the fifth straight year the Redskins will face the Rams.
Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Well to be fair this was only the 2nd year of Shanahan and Allen's tenure. There has been a lot of roster turnover. I think they have set themselves up to have a nice offseason (now that makes it sound like Groundhog Day) with lots of picks and cap space. If we are staring at 5-11 or 6-10 next year, then I'll be with you. Last offseason D-Line and o-line were the biggest weaknesses imo. The D line was a bright spot this year and Jenkins will be back (word is he could have came back at the end of the season if he wasn't on IR). I thought the o-line was good early on and showed some promise. The need for depth and a dependable RT is still there though. They defintely need some decent depth on the line though.It is beginning to feel a bit like Groundhog Day here. Each year it's "we're rebuilding, be patient, have faith", almost as though 6-10 and 5-11 didn't happen. The Skins had 5 FG's blocked by the way. No other team had more than 2, and 14 teams had none at all. I'm sure I'll be told to be patient with Danny Smith.They gave up 30 points in 4 of their last 5 games. I'm sure I'll be told to be patient while they learn Jim Haslett's system.Their biggest weaknesses last offseason were offensive line, QB, and WR. Their biggest weaknesses now are offensive line, QB, DB. I'm sure I'll be told it takes time to rebuild.Might as well save time and start the 2013 and 2014 off season threads as well.
Why draft picks? Isn't he an UFA?Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Bolded part is not correct. UFA.Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Franchise tag?Bolded part is not correct. UFA.Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
So the Pack can pay him starter money? That makes no sense to me.Franchise tag?Bolded part is not correct. UFA.Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Didn't the Pats do that with Cassel?So the Pack can pay him starter money? That makes no sense to me.Franchise tag?Bolded part is not correct. UFA.Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.+1go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
Pats used the franchise tag on Cassel so they could trade him for draft picks. The Packers could do the same thing. The risk is if no one takes him, Flynn could be a $14M backup and make significantly more money than Rogers.'SacramentoBob said:Didn't the Pats do that with Cassel?'DCThunder said:So the Pack can pay him starter money? That makes no sense to me.'SacramentoBob said:Franchise tag?'Brunell4MVP said:Bolded part is not correct. UFA.'southeastjerome said:Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.'DCThunder said:+1'davidwb said:go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
It may be more likely that the Packers will use the franchise tag for Jermichael Finley.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/11/franchise-tag-fight-still-looming-for-finley-packers/Pats used the franchise tag on Cassel so they could trade him for draft picks. The Packers could do the same thing. The risk is if no one takes him, Flynn could be a $14M backup and make significantly more money than Rogers.'SacramentoBob said:Didn't the Pats do that with Cassel?'DCThunder said:So the Pack can pay him starter money? That makes no sense to me.'SacramentoBob said:Franchise tag?'Brunell4MVP said:Bolded part is not correct. UFA.'southeastjerome said:Flynn isn't just going to cost money, he's going to cost draft picks. Still will cost less than trading up. Luckily the Skins do have a full compliment of picks for once. I would love to see them get Flynn, likely costing at least future 1st rounder and then use the #6 pick to get Justin Blackmon. That would go a long way towards improving the offense.'Brunell4MVP said:Exactly. Todays performance means he will cost more than he should.Flynn is ready to start in the NFL. Anyone drafted is a question mark. I'd say try for Flynn if the $s aren't too high, and look WR/OL with the first few picks in the draft. It will lead to quicker results than using Grossman one more year while Griffin adjusts to NFL playbooks. The one plus with Griffin is this OL is still suspect. His feet would be nice to have back there.'dgreen said:We'll have to wait and see how much he costs.'DCThunder said:+1'davidwb said:go for Flynn and use draft for other needs?
It's not accepting losing or supporting Snyder's rash decisions, it is living in reality. You have had two seasons of competent coaching and player selection it takes years for this to happen. Last year I remember you agreeing that this is a multi year rebuild. Now you want to blow it up after two seasons? Give me a break, good teams don't get built in two years. If this team has a poor showing next year then you may have a case. Multi-year rebuild means 3-5 years, not two.'fatness said:Right, because I pick the players and accept substandard coaching and playing.Fans who accept losing year after year and make excuses for it in resignation are more of a problem than I am. Fans of any other team in the league would be upset after 4 straight last-place finishes and records of 8-8, 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11. Apparently some Skins fans are so beat down it's easier to accept the losing, make excuses for those involved in it, and criticize fans who are pissed off at losing. I remember the radio show with Vinnie and Larry Michael bashing fans for complaining. Seems that tradition is alive and well here. Any time someone's critical the "you just support Dan Snyder's rash decisions" boogeyman card is waved around.'thayman said:Fans like you are a big part of the problem.
I argued a similar point several times in the other thread, but at this point we're starting year 3 of a 3-5 year rebuild. They probably need a QB in the system now if they expect to be a playoff team in year 4 or 5, and it's fair to expect at least, say, 7-9 or 8-8 in Year 3. I'd bring the Shanahans back for Year 4 no matter how this year goes (unless everything goes completely to hell), but we're getting close to the time when it's reasonable to start expecting signs of real progress.It's not accepting losing or supporting Snyder's rash decisions, it is living in reality. You have had two seasons of competent coaching and player selection it takes years for this to happen. Last year I remember you agreeing that this is a multi year rebuild. Now you want to blow it up after two seasons? Give me a break, good teams don't get built in two years. If this team has a poor showing next year then you may have a case. Multi-year rebuild means 3-5 years, not two.'fatness said:Right, because I pick the players and accept substandard coaching and playing.Fans who accept losing year after year and make excuses for it in resignation are more of a problem than I am. Fans of any other team in the league would be upset after 4 straight last-place finishes and records of 8-8, 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11. Apparently some Skins fans are so beat down it's easier to accept the losing, make excuses for those involved in it, and criticize fans who are pissed off at losing. I remember the radio show with Vinnie and Larry Michael bashing fans for complaining. Seems that tradition is alive and well here. Any time someone's critical the "you just support Dan Snyder's rash decisions" boogeyman card is waved around.'thayman said:Fans like you are a big part of the problem.
The Redskins can and should make additional progress next year, and one of the key aspects of the game they need to address is turnovers. Each and every year giveaway/takeaway ratio is correlated strongly to wins and losses. This year's NFC stats from ESPN just for an example: RK TEAM INT FUM TOTAL INT FUM TOTAL DIFF1 San Francisco 21 15 36 5 5 10 26 -- PLAYOFF TEAM2 Green Bay 29 5 34 7 5 12 22 -- PLAYOFF TEAM3 Detroit 20 12 32 14 5 19 13 -- PLAYOFF TEAM4 Seattle 21 8 29 13 9 22 75 Dallas 15 10 25 11 8 19 6 Atlanta 16 9 25 12 7 19 6 -- PLAYOFF TEAM7 NY Giants 19 10 29 16 8 24 5 -- PLAYOFF TEAM8 Chicago 17 11 28 19 7 26 2 Carolina 13 10 23 16 5 21 210 St. Louis 12 6 18 8 13 21 -3 Minnesota 7 13 20 14 9 23 -312 New Orleans 8 6 14 13 5 18 -4 -- PLAYOFF TEAM13 Arizona 9 9 18 22 8 30 -1214 Philadelphia 14 9 23 24 12 36 -1315 Tampa Bay 13 9 22 21 15 36 -1416 Washington 12 7 19 23 11 34 -155 of the 6 teams into the NFC playoffs were in the top 7 in giveaway/takeaway ranking. The 6th team, New Orleans, has such a prolific offense that they can mask the descrepency. But the point is: there is a serious correlation.This is the major reason why getting a new QB is absolutely the priority for the team. Rex can throw and move the ball, but he averages 2 INTS a game, plus you have to throw fumbles in there. Based on stats year in and year out, that costs you wins, period. Yes, a "new guy or rookie" is gonna turn it over, but the difference is that he's doing it while learning not to, whereas Rex just will keep doing it. I saw where regarding Rex's pick vs. the Eagles he basically said it wasn't totally his fault because it was tipped. However, he was under a heavy rush and he made the decision to hurl it out there while being hit, Armstrong had to slow up because the ball was short, and this resulted in it being tipped. For Rex to not even recognize that his poor decision factored into the tip is not acceptable. And no I am not a "hater" ... it's just a fact you have to make better decisions.But what I am trying to say is, everyone acts like it will take the Redskins 5 years to have a winning team. But what I am saying is there are things they can do that will make a BIG change. Turnovers is one.Even offensive line is not as terrible as everyone says. Yes, we need more depth there, but at the end of the year, Helu and Royster were ripping off 100 yard games. And Rex wasn't under the kind of pressure Jason Campbell used to be under. But it's become a mantra among Redskins fans to say, "we need 5 years because we have no offensive linemen." Look, we need more offensive lineman, but to act like these guys aren't pros capable of blocking is not true either. I'm telling you, if we had a QB capable of keeping down turnovers, it will change the team dramatically. Maybe not playoffs right away, but it will swing several games, I believe and that's already taking you half of the way there.So, anyway, I think they can make significant progress this year and we should expect it. It may not translate to wins right away as a new QB learns the system, but we need to start down the path at the very least.I argued a similar point several times in the other thread, but at this point we're starting year 3 of a 3-5 year rebuild. They probably need a QB in the system now if they expect to be a playoff team in year 4 or 5, and it's fair to expect at least, say, 7-9 or 8-8 in Year 3. I'd bring the Shanahans back for Year 4 no matter how this year goes (unless everything goes completely to hell), but we're getting close to the time when it's reasonable to start expecting signs of real progress.It's not accepting losing or supporting Snyder's rash decisions, it is living in reality. You have had two seasons of competent coaching and player selection it takes years for this to happen. Last year I remember you agreeing that this is a multi year rebuild. Now you want to blow it up after two seasons? Give me a break, good teams don't get built in two years. If this team has a poor showing next year then you may have a case. Multi-year rebuild means 3-5 years, not two.'fatness said:Right, because I pick the players and accept substandard coaching and playing.Fans who accept losing year after year and make excuses for it in resignation are more of a problem than I am. Fans of any other team in the league would be upset after 4 straight last-place finishes and records of 8-8, 4-12, 6-10, and 5-11. Apparently some Skins fans are so beat down it's easier to accept the losing, make excuses for those involved in it, and criticize fans who are pissed off at losing. I remember the radio show with Vinnie and Larry Michael bashing fans for complaining. Seems that tradition is alive and well here. Any time someone's critical the "you just support Dan Snyder's rash decisions" boogeyman card is waved around.'thayman said:Fans like you are a big part of the problem.
It's nice to see the Redskins with a "good problem" to address -- 3 RBs who each seem to be legitimate NFL starters. The short answer to the question is that it may not matter who the starter is. The Redskins have 3 good RBs that they can get into the game as the situation allows. Nabbing Helu and Royster in mid to late rounds should also give folks some hope that Shanahan is not a complete dud in terms of player evaluation. Those are good pickups, no matter who ends up starting.The success of the running game coming home also raises the issue of how good/bad the offensive line is. It has been fashionable among Redskins fans to say that we have basically no offensive line beyond Trent Williams. However, I wonder if this is somewhat a function of Clinton Portis' terrible last few seasons and the fact that Jason Campbell took a pounding. The patchwork offensive line we closed with has played significantly better than those days. Not saying that we don't need more lineman, we certainly do. I just wonder if that cupboard is as bare as is often thought to be among the fanbase?I think Royster has looked the most comfortable in the system. Before Helu was hurt and after he rattled off three straight 100-yard games, I heard a local beat reporter say he didn't believe that the coaching staff was sold on Helu and that they really see him more as a #2 guy. So, there's some evidence that they'd like to find someone better for the RB1 spot, but I'm not sure if they have that person yet.I'd like to see Hightower back and let the three RBs battle it out in camp and preseason.
I have mentioned a couple of time, the run blocking has really improved over the past 5-6 weeks. The whole offense really picked up once, of all things, Santana Moss returned. But specifically to the OL, the pass blocking improved quite a bit, but it is still not great. The run blocking has improved significantly. And this is with Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt starting on the left side. In the beginning of the year, the pass blocking was poor and the run blocking was horrendous.They still need depth on the OL, maybe even upgrading a starter if they can develop one. RT looks to be the weakest position on the OL right now. Maybe Smith and Hurt and challenge for spots at RT and RG next year.It's nice to see the Redskins with a "good problem" to address -- 3 RBs who each seem to be legitimate NFL starters. The short answer to the question is that it may not matter who the starter is. The Redskins have 3 good RBs that they can get into the game as the situation allows. Nabbing Helu and Royster in mid to late rounds should also give folks some hope that Shanahan is not a complete dud in terms of player evaluation. Those are good pickups, no matter who ends up starting.The success of the running game coming home also raises the issue of how good/bad the offensive line is. It has been fashionable among Redskins fans to say that we have basically no offensive line beyond Trent Williams. However, I wonder if this is somewhat a function of Clinton Portis' terrible last few seasons and the fact that Jason Campbell took a pounding. The patchwork offensive line we closed with has played significantly better than those days. Not saying that we don't need more lineman, we certainly do. I just wonder if that cupboard is as bare as is often thought to be among the fanbase?I think Royster has looked the most comfortable in the system. Before Helu was hurt and after he rattled off three straight 100-yard games, I heard a local beat reporter say he didn't believe that the coaching staff was sold on Helu and that they really see him more as a #2 guy. So, there's some evidence that they'd like to find someone better for the RB1 spot, but I'm not sure if they have that person yet.I'd like to see Hightower back and let the three RBs battle it out in camp and preseason.
Is that you, Cerrato?I think it would be worth moving every freaking pick in the 2012 draft to get a franchise QB. Without question. Again, just look at what Cam did for the Panthers. Look at the statistics from 2010 to 2011 Yards per game 2010 - 258 per game2011 - 389 per gameTDs per game2010 - 1.06 per game2011 - 3.0 per gameYes, a franchise QB is easily worth giving up an entire draft.
Is it simply a coincidence that the running game got significantly better AFTER the Davis/Williams suspensions and putting Jamal Brown on IR? Should Williams be traded NOW so that some other team can take the risk that he's going to be a bust?I have mentioned a couple of time, the run blocking has really improved over the past 5-6 weeks. The whole offense really picked up once, of all things, Santana Moss returned. But specifically to the OL, the pass blocking improved quite a bit, but it is still not great. The run blocking has improved significantly. And this is with Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt starting on the left side. In the beginning of the year, the pass blocking was poor and the run blocking was horrendous.They still need depth on the OL, maybe even upgrading a starter if they can develop one. RT looks to be the weakest position on the OL right now. Maybe Smith and Hurt and challenge for spots at RT and RG next year.It's nice to see the Redskins with a "good problem" to address -- 3 RBs who each seem to be legitimate NFL starters. The short answer to the question is that it may not matter who the starter is. The Redskins have 3 good RBs that they can get into the game as the situation allows. Nabbing Helu and Royster in mid to late rounds should also give folks some hope that Shanahan is not a complete dud in terms of player evaluation. Those are good pickups, no matter who ends up starting.The success of the running game coming home also raises the issue of how good/bad the offensive line is. It has been fashionable among Redskins fans to say that we have basically no offensive line beyond Trent Williams. However, I wonder if this is somewhat a function of Clinton Portis' terrible last few seasons and the fact that Jason Campbell took a pounding. The patchwork offensive line we closed with has played significantly better than those days. Not saying that we don't need more lineman, we certainly do. I just wonder if that cupboard is as bare as is often thought to be among the fanbase?I think Royster has looked the most comfortable in the system. Before Helu was hurt and after he rattled off three straight 100-yard games, I heard a local beat reporter say he didn't believe that the coaching staff was sold on Helu and that they really see him more as a #2 guy. So, there's some evidence that they'd like to find someone better for the RB1 spot, but I'm not sure if they have that person yet.I'd like to see Hightower back and let the three RBs battle it out in camp and preseason.
What do you think they could get for Williams?Is it simply a coincidence that the running game got significantly better AFTER the Davis/Williams suspensions and putting Jamal Brown on IR? Should Williams be traded NOW so that some other team can take the risk that he's going to be a bust?I have mentioned a couple of time, the run blocking has really improved over the past 5-6 weeks. The whole offense really picked up once, of all things, Santana Moss returned. But specifically to the OL, the pass blocking improved quite a bit, but it is still not great. The run blocking has improved significantly. And this is with Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt starting on the left side. In the beginning of the year, the pass blocking was poor and the run blocking was horrendous.They still need depth on the OL, maybe even upgrading a starter if they can develop one. RT looks to be the weakest position on the OL right now. Maybe Smith and Hurt and challenge for spots at RT and RG next year.It's nice to see the Redskins with a "good problem" to address -- 3 RBs who each seem to be legitimate NFL starters. The short answer to the question is that it may not matter who the starter is. The Redskins have 3 good RBs that they can get into the game as the situation allows. Nabbing Helu and Royster in mid to late rounds should also give folks some hope that Shanahan is not a complete dud in terms of player evaluation. Those are good pickups, no matter who ends up starting.The success of the running game coming home also raises the issue of how good/bad the offensive line is. It has been fashionable among Redskins fans to say that we have basically no offensive line beyond Trent Williams. However, I wonder if this is somewhat a function of Clinton Portis' terrible last few seasons and the fact that Jason Campbell took a pounding. The patchwork offensive line we closed with has played significantly better than those days. Not saying that we don't need more lineman, we certainly do. I just wonder if that cupboard is as bare as is often thought to be among the fanbase?I think Royster has looked the most comfortable in the system. Before Helu was hurt and after he rattled off three straight 100-yard games, I heard a local beat reporter say he didn't believe that the coaching staff was sold on Helu and that they really see him more as a #2 guy. So, there's some evidence that they'd like to find someone better for the RB1 spot, but I'm not sure if they have that person yet.I'd like to see Hightower back and let the three RBs battle it out in camp and preseason.
I have thought about this, but it is hard to imagine that Willie Smith > Trent Williams. And Maurice Hurt > Kory Litchensteiger.If Smith really is better than Williams, I would try Williams at RT. Most busts at LT can still play other positions on the OL.Is it simply a coincidence that the running game got significantly better AFTER the Davis/Williams suspensions and putting Jamal Brown on IR? Should Williams be traded NOW so that some other team can take the risk that he's going to be a bust?I have mentioned a couple of time, the run blocking has really improved over the past 5-6 weeks. The whole offense really picked up once, of all things, Santana Moss returned. But specifically to the OL, the pass blocking improved quite a bit, but it is still not great. The run blocking has improved significantly. And this is with Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt starting on the left side. In the beginning of the year, the pass blocking was poor and the run blocking was horrendous.They still need depth on the OL, maybe even upgrading a starter if they can develop one. RT looks to be the weakest position on the OL right now. Maybe Smith and Hurt and challenge for spots at RT and RG next year.It's nice to see the Redskins with a "good problem" to address -- 3 RBs who each seem to be legitimate NFL starters. The short answer to the question is that it may not matter who the starter is. The Redskins have 3 good RBs that they can get into the game as the situation allows. Nabbing Helu and Royster in mid to late rounds should also give folks some hope that Shanahan is not a complete dud in terms of player evaluation. Those are good pickups, no matter who ends up starting.The success of the running game coming home also raises the issue of how good/bad the offensive line is. It has been fashionable among Redskins fans to say that we have basically no offensive line beyond Trent Williams. However, I wonder if this is somewhat a function of Clinton Portis' terrible last few seasons and the fact that Jason Campbell took a pounding. The patchwork offensive line we closed with has played significantly better than those days. Not saying that we don't need more lineman, we certainly do. I just wonder if that cupboard is as bare as is often thought to be among the fanbase?I think Royster has looked the most comfortable in the system. Before Helu was hurt and after he rattled off three straight 100-yard games, I heard a local beat reporter say he didn't believe that the coaching staff was sold on Helu and that they really see him more as a #2 guy. So, there's some evidence that they'd like to find someone better for the RB1 spot, but I'm not sure if they have that person yet.I'd like to see Hightower back and let the three RBs battle it out in camp and preseason.
I brought this up a few weeks ago and have been thinking about if for awhile, too. The thing of it is, for offensive linemen especially, player A may be better than player B in a vacuum, but within a certain system and/or in conjuction with certain other players, player A may not be a better player for a team/scheme than player B. Now, I'm in no position to say that Willie Smith is the better LT for the Redskins going forward. But I can certainly see that the unit as a whole has produced better since Williams has been suspended than it did when he was starting. Maybe it is coincidence. But maybe it's just that the current pieces "fit" better together. Either way, I'm hoping Williams can be a "good fitting piece" in the future, mainly because he's loaded with talent.I have thought about this, but it is hard to imagine that Willie Smith > Trent Williams. And Maurice Hurt > Kory Litchensteiger.If Smith really is better than Williams, I would try Williams at RT. Most busts at LT can still play other positions on the OL.Is it simply a coincidence that the running game got significantly better AFTER the Davis/Williams suspensions and putting Jamal Brown on IR? Should Williams be traded NOW so that some other team can take the risk that he's going to be a bust?