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Official Great Works Draft (2 Viewers)

Paintings UPDATE - I requested three different FFA members who participated as a drafter and/or judge in the G.A.D. and W.G.D. to rank my 3 paintings, and two responded. Forwarded to timschochet (who decided he didn't want to rank them), and he has graciously agreed to allow me to put them my final rankings and slide show.I probably won't submit the final rankings until the end of the week or next weekend. I've been through probably 30 iterations and am continuing to find information or images I want to include, so it will take until at least the end of the month to finalize.I very much appreciate the feedback I received from the preliminary rankings. The top 3, Tier I...well, actually every tier...has been adjusted to conform a bit more to the consensus. While its impossible to remove personal bias or preference completely, I have made a sincere effort to be open minded about others opinions.Anyway, its been a very enjoyable process, and I hope folks will appreciate the final product even if they don't agree with the list 100%.
This is what I will have to say about your (and every judges) final rankings:
TidesofWar said:
These Ratings are absurd, abysymal, and a complete jokeThis guy just rated the xxxxxx over the xxxxxxxWhat a joke!!!xxxxxxx in Tier 4?? Atre you an absolute idiot????I say the judging should be stopped now, due to an obvious lack of competence, fairness, and old fashioned common sense
 
Paintings UPDATE - I requested three different FFA members who participated as a drafter and/or judge in the G.A.D. and W.G.D. to rank my 3 paintings, and two responded. Forwarded to timschochet (who decided he didn't want to rank them), and he has graciously agreed to allow me to put them my final rankings and slide show.I probably won't submit the final rankings until the end of the week or next weekend. I've been through probably 30 iterations and am continuing to find information or images I want to include, so it will take until at least the end of the month to finalize.I very much appreciate the feedback I received from the preliminary rankings. The top 3, Tier I...well, actually every tier...has been adjusted to conform a bit more to the consensus. While its impossible to remove personal bias or preference completely, I have made a sincere effort to be open minded about others opinions.Anyway, its been a very enjoyable process, and I hope folks will appreciate the final product even if they don't agree with the list 100%.
This is what I will have to say about your (and every judges) final rankings:
TidesofWar said:
These Ratings are absurd, abysymal, and a complete jokeThis guy just rated the xxxxxx over the xxxxxxxWhat a joke!!!xxxxxxx in Tier 4?? Atre you an absolute idiot????I say the judging should be stopped now, due to an obvious lack of competence, fairness, and old fashioned common sense
TYVMBTW, I decided you were right about LLTP. I'm swapping it with NH. :goodposting:
 
TidesofWar said:
These Ratings are absurd, abysymal, and a complete jokeThis guy just rated the Beach Boys over the BeatlesWhat a joke!!!SGT Peppers in Tier 4?? Atre you an absolute idiot????I say the judging should be stopped now, due to an obvious lack of competence, fairness, and old fashioned common sense
Whoa. Someone forgot their morning prune juice.
 
Paintings UPDATE - I requested three different FFA members who participated as a drafter and/or judge in the G.A.D. and W.G.D. to rank my 3 paintings, and two responded. Forwarded to timschochet (who decided he didn't want to rank them), and he has graciously agreed to allow me to put them my final rankings and slide show.

I probably won't submit the final rankings until the end of the week or next weekend. I've been through probably 30 iterations and am continuing to find information or images I want to include, so it will take until at least the end of the month to finalize.

I very much appreciate the feedback I received from the preliminary rankings. The top 3, Tier I...well, actually every tier...has been adjusted to conform a bit more to the consensus. While its impossible to remove personal bias or preference completely, I have made a sincere effort to be open minded about others opinions.

Anyway, its been a very enjoyable process, and I hope folks will appreciate the final product even if they don't agree with the list 100%.
This is what I will have to say about your (and every judges) final rankings:
TidesofWar said:
These Ratings are absurd, abysymal, and a complete joke

This guy just rated the xxxxxx over the xxxxxxx

What a joke!!!

xxxxxxx in Tier 4?? Atre you an absolute idiot????

I say the judging should be stopped now, due to an obvious lack of competence, fairness, and old fashioned common sense
TYVMBTW, I decided you were right about LLTP. I'm swapping it with NH.

:lol:
:goodposting:
 
TidesofWar said:
Sorry it took so long to give you all things to yell at me about, but I am lazy. I also listened to every record picked that I wasn't already intimately familiar with. I was surprised at some of the picks. (Minutemen? Richard Pryor? The Eagles?) Equally surprised at some things that didn't get picked. (Where's Stardust, Just As I Am, Spiderland, The Redheaded Stranger, or Satan Is Real?) The best part of this draft for me was that I got to hear in toto the perfect and amazing and totally messed up masterpiece that is The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. What a record.

The second best thing was re-discovering how totally awesome Master Of Puppets really is.

All in all I thought y'all did a great job. Headache after headache.

As you can tell, I made a deliberate effort to keep multiple efforts by the same band/artist out of the top tier. It is unfair that two equally great Beatles records should take up a spot that could otherwise be occupied by the greatest efforts of equally innovative artists like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis.

Please keep in mind that the picks in each tier are not in order, nor are the tiers set in stone. I can be persuaded by well-reasoned argument. Unless you are arguing for The Eagles, in which case you are SOL.
These Ratings are absurd, abysymal, and a complete jokeThis guy just rated the Beach Boys over the Beatles

What a joke!!!

SGT Peppers in Tier 4?? Atre you an absolute idiot????

I say the judging should be stopped now, due to an obvious lack of competence, fairness, and old fashioned common sense
As you can tell, I made a deliberate effort to keep multiple efforts by the same band/artist out of the top tier. It is unfair that two equally great Beatles records should take up a spot that could otherwise be occupied by the greatest efforts of equally innovative artists like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis.
If they should be there, why is that 'Unfair" You make no sense with that comment, and show ignorance and biasWhat a #######
:goodposting: Are you drunk, shticking it up or just being a Richard? I can't tell.Seems to me that Ollie Humanzee has put a great deal of thought into these rankings, and went out of his way to clear up drafters' specific doubts regarding his rankings. I don't see what's the problem here.

 
Whoa, looks like I missed some more fireworks. Sorry for my lack of posts yesterday and Friday night. I've had a busy weekend that has kept me away from the house and will continue to do so today. I'll comment some more tonight when I get home.

 
Overall a very nice job, Oliver. I disagree with you on two points, one general and one specific.

General: I don't think it's right for you to attempt to keep the same artist from having multiple albums in the top tier. IMO, it really shouldn't matter who the artist is, only the the output. You may not believe that Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, and Rubber Soul are 4 of the top ten albums of all time. But if you DO believe it, then the fact that they are by the same artist should not be relevant.

Specific: I think London Calling is too low. Most great albums are either innovative, influential, great to listen to, or full of incredible pop melodies and performances. London Calling combines all of these. One of the amazing things about this album is that it's a double album, and yet there are still no wasted moments. (Compare that to the Clash's next effort, Sandinista, which has several brilliant moments but also many throwaway songs.) I didn't draft the Clash so there is no particular reason for me to be making this argument- except that it has to be made. It is, IMO, the one glaring error in your rankings.
I agree with your first point wholeheartedly, though it's fun to see some different artists getting their due as well. Personally I think Sgt Pepper in particular is too low and continue to disagree with OH on that one--maybe Abbey Road as well. IMO there's room for plenty of Beatles albums near the top.
 
Rear Window starting soon on TCM. :goodposting:
Vertigo on after Rear Window. :DBy the way, I did have to explain what "shuked" meant.
DVR activated. Movies are starting to pile up.Dr. StrangeloveThe Dark KnightThe Unforeseen ... Documentary on urban sprawl around AustinTom JonesSmall ChangeDog Day AfternoonThe Pink Panther (original)A Few Days in September (never heard of this one but it has Juliette Binoche :heart: and John Turturro)Ninotchka
I rewatched Rear Window and am going to start Vertigo now. Jeebus I forgot how amazing Rear Window is. Did Hitchcock make a bad movie? I've never seen one.I think this is part of the "great directors" series El Floppo referenced a couple of weeks ago when he watched a bunch of Bergman. Last night they had The Man Who Knew Too Much, Rear Window, Vertigo, and then The 39 Steps. And just to keep your DVR working, in 45 minutes they have Adam's Rib and then Gaslight. :excited:
 
Seems to me that Ollie Humanzee has put a great deal of thought into these rankings, and went out of his way to clear up drafters' specific doubts regarding his rankings. I don't see what's the problem here.
This.We've had sharp disagreements from various drafters over the judging in every draft. Comes with the territory.So long as we see evidence of thoughtful contemplation over the rankings, and the judge is willing to defend their list, not much more you can ask.The judges that are problematic are the ones who never participate in discussion during the draft or don't lay out their criteria (so you have no clue what they value), just throw up their rankings, then disappear without answering any questions or dismiss anyone who questions them.OH let us know what he was looking (at least in the lit cats, don't remember for this one - but it doesn't really matter, albums/songs should have been more of 'this is great AND its a personal fav or mine' cat than most). He gave sufficient justification for his rankings, and has answered (and likely will continue to address) any questions. That's a good job of judging in my book. I pretty much always 100% of the time disagree with some aspect of rankings - and that's OK.
 
I've been half-convinced by Bonzai's posts and, to the probable disappointment of Abrantes (who didn't take the movie but loves it), I'm going to relegate Chinatown to Tier 2. I'm also going to move Lawrence of Arabia and Raging Bull up to the Tier 1.

To the extent there's a "canon" of movies, I do take into account both the AFI poll and the Sight and Sounds director's and critics' polls. I am much more highly swayed by the results of the Sight and Sound polls than the AFI, for a couple of reasons: (1) first and most obviously, the AFI poll only surveys American "creative people" about American movies, therefore leaving out a large number of the best movies in history, (2) the S&S polls survey only directors and top critics, separately (which I find both important and interesting), rather than a variety of industry types, and unlike the AFI polls, their votes are made public, meaning they can't hide behind the cloak of anonymity, and (3) the stated criteria for the AFI survey participants include critical reception, major awards won, and box-office results, three criteria I don't believe should be weighed heavily in a survey of opinion.

If you haven't ever done it, it's really fun ( :lmao: ) to review the S&S polls and see who voted for whom, and also to compare the differences between the directors and critics polls (for instance, directors LOVE Raging Bull and Lawrence of Arabia; critics much less so).

 
Although I'll probably move it above An Inconvenient Truth (I kept going back and forth on that), I wanted to mention that I had the Noam Chomsky doc so low in comparison because (1) the filmmaking is not very good in spots--there are some weird, choppy edits, (2) I felt like Chomsky made the film too much about him (the part where he compared himself to Descartes, Hume, and others killed me), and (3) it is really dated now with the rise of the internet. Still, it is/was a fascinating documentary (though maybe a bit less so now).
I agree, I had this as a sacrifice pick. I was just out of documentaries that I felt were worthy (and that I am familiar with). I'm neither a fan of the American Media nor of Noam Chomsky. The film did a fairly decent job of showing how the media is fed by the political beast in Washington and controls the access to information people have (pre-internet obviously). It was done in way that makes you wonder if the Blair Witch team was in charge of filming/editing. I have no heartburn with it being in the bottom two. With only 20 selections, it is lucky to be on the list at all.
 
Capturing the Friedmans would have rated very highly. Top-notch filmmaking, very disturbing.
;) Can't believe I forgot about that one.

:lmao:

Oh wait, I already had a disturbing doc.

:lmao:
Tons of quality documentaries out there. A few others, in addition to the ones already mentioned: Roger & Me (the only Michael Moore I would have rated highly), Born into Brothels, Salesman, Grizzly Man...argh, so many good ones.Documentary fans should check this thread out.
I forgot all about Born into Brothels, that was a good doc.
 
I was just cleaning out our TiVo and found, of all things, Lawrence of Arabia on there. Going to watch it again; maybe I'll like it more this time. :goodposting:

ETA: Peter O'Toole is insanely good in this movie.

 
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My crabby take:Too high:ChinatownThe SearchersSnow White and the Seven DwarfsToo Low:On the WaterfontStar WarsRaging BullThe Empire Strikes BackThe GraduateThere's three others in tier one that I think are too high, but I haven't seen them because I slept through them. :goodposting:Also, nobody took Annie Hall or A Clockwork Orange?
I was sure someone took a Clockwork Orange, I was considering it at one point.
 
My crabby take:Too high:ChinatownThe SearchersSnow White and the Seven DwarfsToo Low:On the WaterfontStar WarsRaging BullThe Empire Strikes BackThe GraduateThere's three others in tier one that I think are too high, but I haven't seen them because I slept through them. :goodposting:Also, nobody took Annie Hall or A Clockwork Orange?
I was sure someone took a Clockwork Orange, I was considering it at one point.
Someone took the novel, but not the movie.
 
I've been half-convinced by Bonzai's posts and, to the probable disappointment of Abrantes (who didn't take the movie but loves it), I'm going to relegate Chinatown to Tier 2. I'm also going to move Lawrence of Arabia and Raging Bull up to the Tier 1.
You are correct. Weeeeak.Not that there's anything wrong with Lawrence of Arabia or Raging Bull, though. As I mentioned earlier, Larry of Arabia might well be the prettiest film ever shot. Every frame is just gorgeous.

 
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I've been half-convinced by Bonzai's posts and, to the probable disappointment of Abrantes (who didn't take the movie but loves it), I'm going to relegate Chinatown to Tier 2. I'm also going to move Lawrence of Arabia and Raging Bull up to the Tier 1.
You are correct. Weeeeak.Not that there's anything wrong with Lawrence of Arabia or Raging Bull, though. As I mentioned earlier, Larry of Arabia might well be the prettiest film ever shot. Every frame is just gorgeous.
Well, you know, they'll probably end up within a point of each other anyway. We're working at the fringes here.BTW, I had Aguirre in Tier 1 but had to admit to myself that that was all personal preference. :yes:

 
On the subject of film rankings, here's a different take: Kurosawa listing his 100 favorite movies. The English translation is pretty clumsy, but it's still really cool for a different perspective.

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From Chapter 3 of A Dream is a Genius, ISBN 4-16-355570. Edited by Bungeishunju. © 1999 Bungeishunju. Akira Kurosawa discusses his top 100 films with his daughter, Kazuo. Kurosawa limits his choices to one film per director.

Translated by Noriyo Hoozawa-Arkenau

Quote:

1. Broken Blossoms or The Yellow Man and the Girl, (D. W. Griffith, 1919)

"Lilian Gish. She's very neat and has very good manners, dosn't she? Dorothy Gish is her sister, but she is, eh, a little sexier. Lilian is a cute, innocent girl. It was therefore really painful for me to see her in the movie and I really hated him! In The Whales of August I saw her again and, I clearly saw that she had not changed at all. I mean: yes, she has become a grandma, but I was pretty surprised how cutely she has got old!"

2. Das Kabinett des Doktor Caligari (Robert Wiene, 1919)

"It's representative of German Expressionism. But one can enjoy it still nowadays. The scenery constructions are all built in Futuristic style, in a style of art. You know, one still can learn many, many things from such a work of these old times."

3. Dr. Mabuse, der Spieler (Fritz Lang, 1922)

"I saw it when I was a child, when Mr. Musei Tokugawa was working as a narrator. As you know, my brother was also a narrator of silent movies, and he brought me with him. It was a very interesting movie. The mysterious Dr. Mabuse, the master of disguise! By the way, it was at that time when I saw La Roue by Abel Gance. I still remember very vividly how a train running crazily was portrayed in a flashback. It was a great scene."

4. The Gold Rush (Charlie Chaplin, 1925)

"Chaplin was very talented as an actor as well. Do you know, comedies are most difficult to make. It's much easier to jerk tears from the audience. He, of course, was gifted as a director as well, well-versed in music. I think he was so gifted that he himself didn't know what he should do with his own talents. Well, Beat Takeshi reminds me a little of him."

5. La Chute de la Maison Usher (Jean Epstein, 1928)

"As you know, it's a silent movie, i.e. it consists of pictures alone. But seeing it I felt as if I really heard something. That power of expression. Simply wonderful. And before I start to make a movie, every time I try to imagine how I would have made this picture if it was a silent movie."

6. Un Chien Andalou (Luis Buñuel, 1928)

"The movie starts suddenly with a scene that portrayed how an eyeball was slashed with a razor! An impacting, intense scene. And the light of a lighthouse was glaring and dazzling... In this way they were vividly symbolizing the mental condition when one was diseased with rabies. From such Surrealistic techniques I learned many things when I was making Rashomon."

7. Morocco (Josef von Sternberg, 1930)

"This picture is just 'a movie': it has been produced on a very low budget, but they have shot, for example, the scene where the shadow was flickering very cleverly, changing the camera's position constantly, moving about. Very cleverly shot. I was really impressed."

8. Der Kongress Tanzt (Erik Charell, 1931)

"It's the first movie in that the technique of playback was used. Conversations go, interesingly, in the form of operetta and scenes flow very skilfully. A masterpiece. The movie again and again makes me realize that old movies still offer us many, many things to learn."

9. Die Dreigroschenoper (G. W. Pabst, 1931)

"Die Dreigroschenoper I would have loved to make! Indeed, many people have made Die Dreigroschenoper, haven't they? But Pabst's is definitely the best, I think. A great movie."

10. Leise Fliehen Meine Lieder (Willi Forst, 1933)

"A very sweet movie. I love it! They used Schubert's music very adroitly, and skilfully portrayed in the story why he could not compose from the third movement up. A very good movie."

11. The Thin Man (W. S. van Dyke, 1934)

"He's a master of action movies. No wonder that this movie runs with that good tempo. The original is Hammett's novel, you know? The pair and the dog were so popular that a series of sequels to it was made. But this first one is the most interesting."

12. Tonari no Yae-chan (Yasujiro Shimazu, 1934)

"Mr. Shimazu was called "Daddy Shimazu (Shimazu-oyaji)". He has worked his way up from 'practice' in the true sense, he had experiences as an assistant, was very solidly skilled. John Ford and/or Wyler, too, were such directors. Their movies were clearly different - how I should say..., eh..., in them I can 'smell' motion-picture-makers of old times, of good old times when movies were tasty."

13. Tange Sazen yowa: Hyakumanryo no tsubo (Sadao Yamanaka, 1935)

"Mr. Yamanaka has been, when he has been working as an assistant, very quiet, he has been always somehow in a reverie, mumbling something to himself... But when he once became a director, he suddenly got eloquent, proved himself to be amazingly talented. It's indeed a great loss for the Japanese movie industry that he died so young! Moreover, he didn't save his films rightly. I am so sorry for it that I feel angry! What the hell did he think?!"

14. Akanishi Kakita (Mansaku Iami, 1936)

"This movie of Mr. Itami is very innovative, he did, for example, make various experiments in it. A very, very interesting movie. It was very kind of him that he often approved my movies and/or gave pieces of advice to me. I was very, very glad."

15. La Grande Illusion (Jean Renoir, 1937)

"In this movie Stroheim, who has directed "Foolish wives", played a role. Of course the movie is great, but, above all, his presense as an actor was impactful in itself. Mr. Renoir, you know, came specially to see me when I have been in Paris, and he, although HE was a master and elder than I, said to me "I am glad to see you"! I was really abashed! Moreover, when I was going to go back home, he stood and followed me all the time till my car turned the corner. I was very very touched."

16. Stella Dallas (King Vidor, 1937)

""Women are strong. A mother does do everything for children's sake" - Barbara Stanwyck wonderfully portrayed it in this movie. The last scene almost brought me to tears. Years later I saw a singer named Bette Midler playing such a role. It was also pretty good. Well played!"

17. Tsuzurikata kyou####su (Kajiro Yamamoto, 1938)

"Mr. Yamakaji (Mr. Kajiro Yamamoto) was a really good teacher. At that time, when we all were terribly busy, Yama-san (Mr. Yamamoto) made me do everything for him. To be honest, I was not very pleased by it. But his wife once said me; Do you know? My husband was very delighted. He said, "Mr. Kurosawa is now competent to do really everything!" Only then I realised that Mr. Yamamoto has been teaching me all things one by one, by making me do everything - to edit, write, costume and make props. THAT MADE ME WHO I AM NOW. I am truly grateful"

18. Tsuchi (Tomu Uchida, 1938)

"This director had a very interesting career - I've heard that he had been once a bum! An actor he had been as well. An eccentric. Oh, yes, he had been, if I remember rightly, once also an assistant of a director who had been in Hollywood. Of course his 'big' movies are not bad, but I personally like his earlier works more, for example Kagiri naki zenshin. But, very unfortunately, almost none of his films are in existence anymore. I wish that they thought more seriously in Japan how to save films properly."

19. Ninotchka (Ernst Lubtisch, 1939)

"A very sophisticated movie. Garbo appeared in it, but she, here, unlike her former movies indeed, played comedy very well. I was surprised. Wilder wrote the screenplay, I remember. No wonder the dialogues are so good. Lubitsch has been working since the times of silent movies; he had made movies called 'cinema operettas'. Did you know? He was a very talented man."

20. Ivan Groznyy I (Sergei M. Eisenstein, 1944), Ivan Groznyy Part II: Boyarsky zagovor (Sergei M. Eisenstein, 1946)

"An acquaintance* of mine, who sent Rashomon to the Grand Prix in Venice and to whom I feel very obliged, recommended me once to see the celebration's scene in Ivan Grozny in colour. He said to me then that I also should make movies in colour. So, I saw it, and, indeed, I was amazed. Well, then, I used colours in Do desu ka den for the first time, and in Kagemusha I treated colours rightly. I wished that the acqaintance*, who already had died then, could have seen it. Then Mrs. William Wyler said: *He'll come (from heaven) to Cannes, Mr. Kurosawa. He'll come to see your movie!" Till then I usually avoided 'movie festivals', but since then I attend at least Cannes film Festival."

(Note*: In the Japanese text the acquaintance's name is given. Unfortunately the English equivalent could not be found at the time of the translation)

21. My Darling Clementine (John Ford, 1946)

"Everyone associates the name of John Ford with westerns, don't they? My darling Clementine is, say, a paragon of movie: A man, for example, who's riding on horseback and whose looks in itself is a poem, emerges at the just right moment in the movie. Wonderful."

22. It's a Wonderful Life (Frank Capra, 1946)

"A movie should, I'm convinced, make the audience be happy, feel well. This movie is just such one: it's full of good will, makes us feel warm and think that it's a wonderful thing to live. Typical of Capra."

23. The Big Sleep (Howard Hawks, 1946)

"In my opinion it's the most interesting one among Chandler's. It's difficult to make 'hard-boiled' movies, usually, but he has skilfully done it. No wonder, for he was a true movie-maker who had begun his career as a popman and worked his way up from there."

24. Ladri di biciclette (Vittorio de Sica, 1948)

"A pitiful story, isn't it? Everything in this movie, its 'colours' as well, again and again makes me feel tormented. This is a true representative of Neo-Realism. A wonderful movie, which established a certain cinematic style."

25. Aoi sanmyaku (Tadashi Imai, 1949)

"One's first movie is often his or her best. So they say that Aoi sanmyaku or Izu no odoriko is Mr. Imai's best, don't they?! Indeed, this movie of him is very fresh and lively, the scene in that Kama-san (Mr. Kamatari Fujiwara) appears is also pretty good. But his Nigorie is also wonderful, I think"

26. The Third Man (Carol Reed, 1949)

"He respectably well filmed a such complicated story. Its camera works are wonderful - I've learned much about camera works from this movie. A first-class movie which one can enjoy still nowadays. His "Odd man out" is also brilliant. This director is a very skillful movie maker with a documentary style."

27. Banshun (Yasujiro Ozu, 1949)

"His characteristic camera work was imitated by many dirctors abroads as well, i.e., many people saw and see Mr. Ozu's movies, right? That's good. Indeed, one can learn pretty much from his movies. Young prospective movie makers in Japan should, I hope, see more of Ozu's work. Ah, it was really good times when Mr. Ozu, Mr. Naruse and/or Mr. Mizoguchi were all making movies!."

28. Orphee (Jean Cocteau, 1949)

"Originally Jean Cocteau was a poet, wasn't he? His movie therefore is like a poem. The Grim Reaper, e.g., apears riding on a motorcycle! A very fantastical touch. His peculiar aestics is very interesting."

29. Karumen kokyou ni kaeru (Keisuke Kino####a, 1951)

"It's one of the first coloured movies in Japan. A very interesting movie. Karumen [Carmen]and her companions all return home, making people fuss over them. The fuss was very well portrayed. I love this movie."

30. A Streetcar Named Desire (Elia Kazan, 1951)

"I met this director in Tokyo International Film Festival and thought very frank of him. His immediate coleagues, however, said that he was rather a difficult person. But as soon as I've found both of us hated to put on a tuxedo, it was clear that we were like-minded. We really enjoyed to talk with each other. His movies are called 'social' or 'sociological', aren't they? Well, this movie is a good work that has,say, a solid core."

31. Therese Raquin (Marcel Carne, 1952)

"Carne is famous, above all, for "Les enfants du paradis", isn't he? This movie is a smaller piece, but I love it - it was shot in very cool eyes, and shows how important a solid screenplay for a movie is."

32. Saikaku ichidai onna (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1952)

"We often said in joke "Mr. Mizoguchi must have undergone terribly bitter experiences with women!". I could never portray women in THAT way! Indeed, a cold shiver ran up my spine! The movie is incredible, its art as well, and its long shots as well. From Mizo-san (= Mr. Mizoguchi) I've learned pretty much."

33. Viaggio in Italia (Roberto Rossellini, 1953)

"He's one of the most important representatives of Italian Realism. But also representatives of Nouvelle Vague, Godard and/or Truffaut, e.g., made a model of him. Did you know it? His way of pursuing bare truth was really fresh. I also was very benefited by his work."

34. Gojira (Ishiro Honda, 1954)

"Mr. Honda is really an ernest, nice fellow. Imagine, e.g., what you would do if a monster like Godzilla emerges! Normally one would forget and abandon his duty and simply flee! You won't? But the personell in this movie properly and sincerely lead people, don't they? That is typical of Mr. Honda. I love it. Well, he was my best friend. As you know, I am a pretty obstinate and demanding person. Thus, that I had never problems with him was due to HIS good personality."

35. La Strada (Federico Fellini, 1954)

"Fellini's cinematgraphic art is excellent. It's in itself 'fine art'. Nowadays no one has such a peculiar talent more... One feels in his movies, say, an existential power, which has a strong impact. Well, I met him several times, but he was so shy that he didn't talk about his movies to me."

36. Ukigumo (Mikio Naruse, 1955)

"He was a truly severe person. When he, e.g., didn't like an actor's performance, he said simply "No" and nothing more, sat silent. It was hard for the actor, of course, because he or she must think all by him-/herself and try various performances by himself. I, compared with him, am not earnest enuogh - I cannot help giving instructions to actors and cann't let them think by themselves... Thus, actors disciplined by Mr. Ozu, Mr. Naruse and/or Mr. Mizoguchi were all really competent and could by themselves play rightly even if I said nothing."

37. Pather Panchali (Satyajit Ray, 1955)

"I feld I rightly understood his work, when I saw Satyajit Ray: His eyes were like lynx's, ah, he was a majestic gentleman! In Venice Film Festival my "Kumonosu-jo" has lost to his "Pather Pancheli", hasn't it? But, I guarantee you, that was ABSOLUTELY right!."

38. Daddy Long Legs (Jean Negulesco, 1955)

"It has missed an Oscar, but I like this movie. Some people may be surprised that I like this picture, but, indeed, it was pretty well shot. I like it, maybe, also because I admire people like Fred Astaire, for I am so clumsy. But, well, to be honest, it's because, above all, I like the actress Leslie Caron."

39. The Proud Ones (Robert D. Webb, 1956)

"The theme song sung by Lionel Newman was a hit at that time. It's brilliant. Robert Ryan has a just fitting role, the camera works are wonderful as well - Lucian Ballard is trully a model camera man, I think."

40. Bakumatsu taiyo den (Yuzo Kawashima, 1958)

"This is an interesting, really enjoyable movie with a very good tempo. A rakugo* piece "Inokori Saheiji (= Saheiji, who reminded)" and another piece were arranged for this movie. Really well done. This director was very good at making commedies. It means his skill stands out from others'."

(Note: rakugo* is one of Japanese tradiotional stage arts, 'art of talk'. It is, besides No-theatre and Kabuki, one of the most important theatre arts in Japan, performed by one rakugo-talker on the stage.)

41. The Young Lions (Edward Dmytryk, 1957)

"It's a Cinema Scope. They shot dramatical battle scenes in a sharp, black-white contrast. Beautiful. This director is, I see, a hard proffesionalist, who has resolutely worked his way up."

42. Le Cousins (Claude Chabrol, 1959)

"It's a little strange picture shot from a pessimistic view. He's a pretty skilful director - his "Les liens de sang", e.g., is one of the best pictures filmized Ed McBain's novels."

43. Les Quatre Cents Coups (Francois Truffaut, 1959)

"This Truffault's movie is brilliant, don't you think so? He let children very convincingly play. I openly praised it at that time, but it was hardly premiered, before it was withdrawed. I suspect that it was due to its that inept Japanese title "Otona wa wakatte kurenai (= The adults don't understand us children)"."

44. A bout de souffle (Jean-Luc Godard, 1959)

"He's a very productive movie maker. But he shows his talent in the fact that all of his movies keep a steady, high quality. When I saw "A bout de souffle", it looked really fresh - nowadays it may look not so fresh more - for many people meanwhile have imitated its style, e.g., in American New Cinemas. But, I want to emphasize, they should do their own new experiments as well, or the cinema will not develop further more."

45. Ben-Hur (William Wyler, 1959)

""Ben-Hur"'s climax scene, it MUST be shot in a 70mm, or it would never have been that exciting. 6 sound sources recorded with 6 recorders were reproduced in it, and one feel as if one really was involved there in the movie! Brilliantly shot."

46. Ototo (Kon Ichikawa, 1960)

"Its camera work is superb. I remember, it won a prize for picture in Cannes, right? Pretty many takes were shot. Mrs. Natto (The screen play writer Natto Wada, Kon Ichikawa's wife) must have strongly supported him. His "Tokyo Orinpikku [Olynpic Games in Totkyo]" was harshly criticized by some people, but I thought it was a good picture, a typical picture of Kon-chan [Mr. Kon]."

47. Une aussi longue absense (Henri Colpi, 1960)

"He's an authority on edit. It is his first movie, I think. A crazy story - a man, who has passed in front of a café, was like the heroine's husband as two eggs. That scene was really impressive. Well, movie editors very well know that a movie exists BETWEEN the sequences. He also does."

48. Le voyage en ballon (albert Lamorisse, 1960)

"Such a picture, a specialist alone could shoot it. The last scene is especially good; the scene in that the child was following it further and further. The director put his own child to be the lead actor and let him do pretty dangerous things... "I only later realized it and thought, "Oh my God, what I have done!"", he himself said once."

49. Plein soleil (Rene Clement, 1960)

"This picture is very easy to approach, it's a typical 'movie'. One could very well begin watching movies with this one, right? One can very well see what the hero feels, can't one? Its last, which goes on with a pretty clever tempo, is brilliant as well."

50. Zazie dans le métro (Louis Malle, 1960)

"I thought it was a very sophisticated picture. Accompanied with a whistled melody, the story is portrayed in the eyes of the heroine's child - this director, indeed, uses children very adroitly, in "Au revoir, les enfants", too. His "Milou en mai" is also characteristic of him and interesting."

51. L'année derniere á Marienbad (Alain Resnais, 1960)

"He's a pioneer of Nouvelle Vague. This picture filmized a novel written by an author, eh, in my memory, named Robbe-Grillet. It caused hot discussions on itself. This movie is not very easy to approach - various oppositional notions, e.g., 'now vs. past' and/or 'reality vs. unreality', are presented in it. But its expressional methods very much stimulated my interest."

52. What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (Robert Aldrich, 1962)

"Even when she was young, Bette Davis had a funny face. A very attractive. She was also beautiful in "Jezebel" (1938), and excellent in "All about Eve" as well. I liked them. In this movie, too, she is fantastic, isn't she? She was not really that old at all, but her performance was terrifically convincing. In "The whales of August" she was really a grandma, but she, of course, was still brilliant, wasn't she?"

53. Lawrence of Arabia (David Lean, 1962)

"It's a masterpiece of 70 mms, I think. When the camels suddanly went wild and O'Toole was injured, Lean, I've heard, wanted FIRST to know if he could still play! "How merciless!", O'Tool moaned. But, eh, I can very well see what a director feels and thinks, when he is working in full swing. But wait! Me, I am more tender."

54. Mélodie en sous-sol (Henri Verneuil, 1963)

"This director is a first-class suspense maker. It's thrilling! The use of the music is also nice, modern. And he used Delon and Gabin very cleverly - they well and clearly portrayed their characters. Its monochromic pictures were also very sharply shot. Excellent."

55. The Birds (Alfred Hitchcock, 1963)

"In Hitchcock's movies, mysteries, one sometimes finds slight inconsequences in the story. But, I think, it would be also a right opinion that movies should only be enjoyable. Well, I, I dread that many birds! Indeed, how did they shoot those scenes?!"

56. Il deserto rosso (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1964)

"Once I've ridden on an elephant with him at an Indian film festival. Journalist fussed over that 'two severe directors were together riding on an elephant', but we are NOT severe at all. Journalists watch us only when we are angry and they amuse themselves with it. "It's unfair", we talked each other. Indeed, how can one ALWAYS be angry, eh!? And now, in this movie, e.g., a scarlet room was very impressively used, and one can see clearly his talent in it."

57. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Mike Nichols, 1966)

"Elizabeth Taylor is terrific, isn't she? This true beauty plays that hideous woman, without regard to her looks, doesn't she? To Japanese actresses, too, it may not be the most important matter that their appearance is simply beautiful. They, even big stars as well, should follow her professionalism, I hope."

58. Bonnie and Clyde (Arthur Penn, 1967)

"When I've once visited USA, he welcomed me very kindly. When he was going to make "Two on a seesaw", he asked me if I could recommend anyone, and I recommended Kamatari Fujiwara. Unfortunately, this movie was not presented in Japan, but it was a very neat, little piece. When Kama-san [Mr. Kamatari] wanted to know why I recommended him, I said mockingly "because there was no dialogue text for you!". Then we burst into laughter."

59. In the Heat of the Night (Norman Jewison, 1969)

"The original novel is also brilliant, but the movie has filmized it very skillfully, hasn't it? I love Sidney Poitier. I love his intelligent eyes. In the region where the racism is still deeply rooted, the case is being snappily cleared. The audience feel indeed satisfied."

60. The Charge of the Light Brigade (Tony Richardson, 1968)

"This movie did not especially come up. But I thought it was a very nice picture. In it even the finest details were well portrayed - e.g., in the battlefield, where people after people were dying, one heard a fly's buzz."

61. Midnight cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969)

"He's from UK, but he nevertheless very well portrayed an atmosphere of disease in New York City, didn't he? The actors, of course, performed brilliantly, and it made me think about what it would bring to live in such a run-down metropolis. Very depressing, isn't it?"

62. M*A*S*H (Robert Altman, 1970)

"Interesting. It looks 'messy', but, I saw, the screenplay is very solid. A black-comedy nicely made. Later I've heard that the author of the original was a surgeon. No wonder that the matters were concretly, objectively and therefore interestingly portrayed. This is also a kind of anti-war-movie, isn't it?"

63. Johnny Got his Gun (Dalton Trumbo, 1971)

"There are many anti-war-movies. But it is very difficult to shoot battle scenes, for if one simply shot, as many people actually do, scenes in that soldiers are firing, they would look brave and thus the war could be glorified. In this sense, this picture is a true ant-war movie."

64. The French Connection (William Friedkin, 1971)

"I remember that it was, so to speak, a pioneer of 'car-chase-movies', and that cars were chasing cars at breakneck speed in it. Action scenes were terrific. Enjoyable it was! In any case, most of American movies at that time consisted in pretty good part of car scenes, in great detail portrayed - how one opens the door, get in and drive out of the parking lot and so on... If one cut away those car scenes the movies would shrink to about two thirds, I always say."

65. El espiritu de la colmena (Victor Erice, 1972)

"At first glance it's a sweet piece, but really it is a wonderous, very horrific story - the cruelity children have was skillfully portrayed. And the children were well performing. The lighting and camera work had a very fine touch. A nice movie."

66. Solyaris (Andrei tarkovsky, 1972)

"We were very good friends. He was like a little brother for me. We once, drunk in Dom Kino, sang together "Shichinin no samurai"'s theme music. His expression of 'water', the way in that water is depicted, is really peculiar to him. This picture indeed makes me feel myself yearning to return to the earth."

67. The Day of the Jackal (Fred Zinneman, 1973)

"The method with that the movie follows in very composed eyes how the hero is carrying out every preparation for an assassination one by one is, so to speak, without fat, I mean, brief and clear. A very thrilling touch."

68. Gruppo de famiglia in un interno (Luchino Visconti, 1974)

"Visconti is a true blue blood. Whether because he was raised in such an environment or simply because of his blue-blood birth, he had a touch that none but he can have. I met him several times, but he was a hardly approachable person. If someone, e.g., during the shooting came in, he, I've heard, shouts at him in an aristocratic posture "leave from here!". He is a very severe person, I've heard."

69. The Godfather Part II (Francis Ford Coppola, 1974)

"Among the Godfather trilogy I like "Part II" the best. The cold-hearted atmosphere, the terrible atmosphere in the family was very well depicted. It, accompanied with THAT music, really horrified my heart."

70. Sandakan hachiban shokan bokyo (Kei Kumai, 1974)

"We dined together, I remember, immediately before or after this movie. He was a very quiet, earnest person and liked to make movies that treated social issues. I therfore was surprised to see in this film that he was really competent also in portraying women. Kinuyo Tanaka was excellent. His "Umi to dokuyaku" is also brilliantly made. I am 'afraid of' such a story, but he, he could depict it! He must have a very strong personality, doesn't he?"

71. One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest (Milos Forman, 1975)

"Ah, so many actors perform 'too' brilliantly! How painful experiences everyone has in his life - so painful that they have got mentaly that diseased... The actors portrayed it so skillfuly, I simply admired it. That nurse is also teeeerrific!"

72. O Thiassos (Theodoros Angelopoulos, 1975)

"He's a wonderful person. What he says makes one feel as if one's deepst soul is looked into by him. A true mature adult one could call him. Especially this picture was nothing less than 'mature eyes', wasn't it?"

73. Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick, 1975)

"He made many masterpieces. I've heard that this picture was shot in the light of candles with highly sensitive films and special lenses. And he had got wonderful, very beautiful pictures. His experiments absolutely succeeded."

74. Daichi no komoriuta (Yasuzo Masumura, 1976)

"This movie is pretty well made. Above all, Mieko Harada was brilliant. I was convinced that the actress was going to better her skill further. It was why I used her in "Ran", and, look, her Lady Kaede earned a big reputation abroad. She brilliantly did it, I think."

75. Annie Hall (Woody Allen, 1977)

"Watching Woody Allen's pictures one clearly see that he's terrifically intellectual. Eh, I was afraid that he did not like my movies, for my movies are simple and are not such ones. But then Richard Gere told me Allen was my fan. I was very pleased!"

76. Neokonchennaya pyesa dlya mekhanicheskogo pianino (Nikita Mikhalkov ,1977)

"Nikita is a very eloquent, lively man like a white bear, but shoots really, truly delicate pictures. Watch, e.g., his "Oci ciornie" and then the director himself! One could not believe THAT man really made THAT movie. In any case, he's full of power and talent."

77. Padre Padrone (Paolo & Vittorio Taviani, 1977)

"Those two brother-directors' movie is not only a wonderful picture in itself, but also based on a very difficult original. That intellectuality is, of course, wonderful, but moreover - uh, I cannot find the word for it - one feels oneself shaken from the deepst bottom of the earth. Terrific, isn't it? Indeed, a movie earns wideness and depth in various sense if brothers cooperated in directing, right? I envy them."

78. Gloria (John Cassavetes, 1980)

"When I saw "Shadows", because it was a very nice picture, I wanted to praise it. Bur he was so shy that he was somehow embarrased and fled. His movies were not presented in Japan for long time, and I all the time concerned about him. But now, look, I was right, he showed himself to be very talented! This picture is one of my favourite Cassavetes'. Gena Rawlands' performance is also great. I was really sad to lose such a big talent. He was still so young!"

79. Haruka naru yama no yobigoe (Yoji Yamada, 1980)

"I said to Mr. Yamada himself that one cannot praise enough that he succeeded in continuing to make the Torajiro-series throughout. It would be possible only if every characters in it was perfectly established and described. Well, this picture is, so to speak, "Shane"* á la Japanese, isn't it?. Very well made."

(Note*: The theme music of "Shane" (composed by Victor Young), which is very popular in Japan, is named "Haruka naru yama no yobigoe" [Call of mountains from far away] in Japan. I cannot imagine that the movie's title has nothing to do with the theme music. Therefore Kurosawa, I think, mentioned "Shane" here.)

80. La Traviata (Franco Zeffirelli, 1982)

"It filmized an opera. Do you know how difficult it is? I was also asked once by Seiji Ozawa if I could direct an opera. 'But I am a movie director, I cannot do it', I declined. Zeffirelli, on the other hand, has been working on the stage. No wonder that art, lighting, and costuming are all brilliant. Very beautiful picture."

81. Fanny och Alexander (Ingmar Bergman, 1982)

"It's a long movie, follows a night throughout. Of course the camera and art succeeded in presenting an excellent colour. But, above all, the small episodes, which let me imagine in what environment he had been raised, are interesting. I love his "Smultronstället" and/or "Jungfrukällan" as well."

82. Fitzcarraldo (Werner Herzog, 1982)

"I am sorry that not many people have seen this movie yet. In it they go on a steamboat in the Amazon River upwards, pull the boat up on a hill and then lower it. What a hard work! The energy with that they really did it is well visible in the picture. By the way, it was before I saw the movie when I've met him. He, a very conscientious person, said that he wanted to give me a book but he unfortunately was going to depart that day. But he came to me the next day again! He said that he has canceled the air plane to find and hand me the book. "Here you are, I've found it!", he said. 'Such an earnest person well could make such a movie', I thought when I later saw his movie."

83. The King of Comedy (Martin Scorsese, 1983)

"Scorsese is, of course, a very good director and actor, but he is above all a wonderful person. He's energetically wrestling with various matters, e.g., how films, especially colour films could be kept undameged, he also looks after retired movie makers. He is, so to speak, a bundle of energy. The Japanese movie industry also would need such a person, I think."

84. Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence (Nagisa Oshima, 1983)

"With Mr. Oshima I discussed many issues, e.g., the issue of film directors' associations. Many people say that he is impatient or so, but he really is a very consistant, earnest person. 'I rely on you to develop Japanese movies', I said him several times when we dined together. This picture must have been a very hard work, for he's a person who cannot save work at all. The cast is also pretty interesting. A really skilled film maker he is!"

85. The Killing Fields (Roland Joffe, 1984)

"It's a story about the civil war in Cambodia. They brainwash even that little children. Can human being get so insane that they themselves don't see at all what they are doing? Isn't it horrific!? And wars justify such an insanity. Horrific. Well, the Cambodian guide was very natural, nicely performed, and brilliant."

86. Stranger than Paradise (Jim Jarmusch, 1984)

"I did not meet him yet, but I was very very pleased to see such an interesting talent. I watched his movies all on rental videos. This movie is made according to the principle 'one-scene-one-shot'. The spaces between the sequences are brilliant: They are connected with darks, and there, BETWEEN the sequences, one really feels oneself seeing a movie! I'm looking forward to seeing his future. And this movie, in which some old films are also used, tells us that it is a talent to be able to shoot a good movie even on a not very high budget."

87. Dongdong de jiaqi (Hou Hsiao-Hsien, 1984)

"He made also big pictures, e.g., "Beiqing chengshi" ("A city of sadness"). In the movie there are some points that one could not easily understand without thorough historical knowledge, but he has very sincere eyes. A wonderful movie maker. He reminds me of the times when Japanese movie industry was still seriously shooting pictures. I really love this movie. A very pleasant piece. I'm looking forwards to see his future."

88. Paris, Texas (Wim Wenders, 1984)

"When "Hachi-gatsu no kyoshikyoku" was premiered in Japan, I had a talk with him. There he forgot that it was an interview for a magazine, and asked me about practical, technical matters only, e.g., "Mr. Kurosawa, you let it rain really beautifully. How do you shoot it?" or so... To be honest, for me also such topics are more welcome, and we discussed it further. But the editors were pretty embarrassed."

89. Witness (Peter Weir, 1985)

"His "Picnic at Hanging Rock" also presents a wonderful colour and very interested me. This movie's story is described in a particular world, but the story, presenting the particular life so well that we outsiders can comprehend it, goes very tidily. Yes, it's a very tidy movie, so to speak, built on a solide foundation."

90. The Trip to Bountiful (Peter Masterson, 1985)

"Even a movie whose motif is a pretty small matter can be such a tidy picture. This movie is a very good example of that one can make a quality film without spending big money. I hope for many young people to see it."

91. Otac na sluzbennom putu (Emir Kustarica, 1985)

"I was astonished when I saw his work for the first time. He's from Yugoslavia, is still very young. He nevertheless shoots wonderful pictures all with composure. Very skilled. His pictures came up also in Cannes. "We must not be lazy, for so many great talents apear one after another from various countries.", we talked."

92. The Dead (John Huston, 1987)

"A black coach and black horses emerge. That is the shadow of death. He shot this movie being supplied with oxygen, in such a condition he made it. No wonder that the picture is somehow demonic and horrific. When he, who was cross with the tops of the film production, was going to die, he shouted "Do you have a gun?! OK, let's kill them!", and then he died, I heard."

93. Khane-ye doust kodjast (Abbas Kiarostami, 1987)

"I met him, and, as every good director is, he was a really nice person. I wondered how he could shoot such a movie, for all characters were so ordinary, natural, and convincing. I asked him. He said, he makes the people, because they are all laymen, REALLY think that they should finish the wash and/or do homework, and then he let them perform it."

94. Out of Rosenheim (Percy Adlon, 1987)

"My Children recommended that I should see this movie, for it, they said, really interesting. Indeed, I really enjoyed it!! The use of colour is brilliant, from it one can learn something. The actors are also very natural. And it somehow reminded me of "Donzoko"... In any case, I say, that is 'a movie'! It was so interesting that I saw it two times successively."

95. The Whales of August (Lindsay Anderson, 1987)

"When I won a prize in U.K., I met him as a critic. He also shoots nonfictions - he has insightful, reliable eyes, right? I did not expect that he would begin shooting films, but I was not surprised when I saw that his "If..." was a good movie. And "The Whales of August" definitely convinced me of his talent."

96. Running on Empty (Sidney Lumet, 1988)

"That scene! The scene that portrayed how the car's door suddenly opened and he*, who was going to leave the town, left the dog there is wonderful. Lumet is one of my best friends, a friendly 'uncle' who is always smiling. But his pictures on NY's detectives, in a hard-boiled touch, are horrifically serious. By the way, the NY's block is very wide, isn't it? So he runs round on rollersketes. His assistant director could not follow him, ran into a toy shop to buy rollerskates, and thus could catch up with him. The second assistant, however, could not buy anything because rollerskates were sold out. The poor man must run after him on his own legs. He cheerfully told it himself to me."

(Note*: In Japanese Text it is not given who was going to leave. But I think that it is 'the family's eldest son' as it is given in Imdb, so I added the pronoun 'he' to the sentence. (In Japanese sentences the grammatical subject is very often omitted....))

97. Tonari no Totoro (Hayao Miyazaki, 1988)

"It's an animation, but I was deeply moved. I really liked that 'cat bus', for no one else would think up such a thing! His "Majo no takkyuubin" actually made me weep. Indeed, many talents nowadays whom I would have loved to kept for movies have gone to the animation industry... We, the movie industry, must not be lazy - we must make pictures that stimulate young talents' interest in movies."

98. A-un (Yasuo Furuhata, 1989)

"We know Shinobu Hashimoto (art) really for a long time, don't we? She and Yoshiro Muraki (art) have fallen in love and used to sit closely side by side in an open set. I know them ever since... Her art is really good, isn't it? That old good time when we were all so is unforgettable. Kuniko Mukoda wrote really solide scenarios... I am so sorry about her... By the way, the Mrs. in "A-un" is a little similar to my Kiyoko, isn't she?"

99. La Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette, 1991)

"I actually would have liked to make the movie. Its original is Balzac's novel. A first-rate artist can see what we cannot see. I, e.g., paint quickly and carelessly, but an artist doesn't do it. He can hardly satisfy himself because he sees far more various things. That difficult theme was very nicely filmized."

100. Hana-Bi (Takeshi Kitano, 1997)

"I am convinced of his talent since I saw "Sono otoko, kyobo ni tsuki". The first works of a talented person often seem to be a little incoherent because the author tries many experiments in them, because he is sparkling with talent. In this movie there are some pretty daring portrayals, audaciously intruding in the matters. I really enjoyed it. Every character's existence is competently depicted. Wonderful."*** SPOILER ALERT! Click this link to display the potential spoiler text in this box. ***");document.close();

 
On the subject of film rankings, here's a different take: Kurosawa listing his 100 favorite movies. The English translation is pretty clumsy, but it's still really cool for a different perspective.
Wow, this is really cool. Big :confused: . I don't know quite a few of the movies from some of the Japanese directors. Love seeing things like Stranger than Paradise on his list.
 
Sorry it took so long to give you all things to yell at me about, but I am lazy. I also listened to every record picked that I wasn't already intimately familiar with. I was surprised at some of the picks. (Minutemen? Richard Pryor? The Eagles?) Equally surprised at some things that didn't get picked. (Where's Stardust, Just As I Am, Spiderland, The Redheaded Stranger, or Satan Is Real?) The best part of this draft for me was that I got to hear in toto the perfect and amazing and totally messed up masterpiece that is The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. What a record.

The second best thing was re-discovering how totally awesome Master Of Puppets really is.

All in all I thought y'all did a great job. Headache after headache.

As you can tell, I made a deliberate effort to keep multiple efforts by the same band/artist out of the top tier. It is unfair that two equally great Beatles records should take up a spot that could otherwise be occupied by the greatest efforts of equally innovative artists like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis.

Please keep in mind that the picks in each tier are not in order, nor are the tiers set in stone. I can be persuaded by well-reasoned argument. Unless you are arguing for The Eagles, in which case you are SOL.

I.

Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys

The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus

Brilliant Corners - Thelonious Monk

The Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground

Innervisions - Stevie Wonder

Kind of Blue - Miles Davis

Revolver - The Beatles

In the Wee Small Hours - Frank Sinatra

What's Going On - Marvin Gaye

IV - Led Zeppelin

II.

Otis Blue - Otis Redding

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here Comes the Sex Pistols - The Sex Pistols

Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan

Giant Steps - John Coltrane

Astral Weeks - Van Morrison

Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones

Are You Experienced - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

The Ramones - The Ramones

The White Album - The Beatles

Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan

III.

London Calling - The Clash

Electric Ladyland - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

Paranoid--Black Sabbath

Ella and Louie--E Fitzgerald, louie Armstrong

Live at the Apollo! - James Brown

A Love Supreme--John Coltrane

Back in Black - AC/DC

It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - Public Enemy

Double Nickels on the Dime - The Minutemen

IV.

At Folsom Prison - Johnny Cash

OK Computer - Radiohead

Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles

Abbey Road - The Beatles

Let It Bleed - The Rolling Stones

Rubber Soul - The Beatles

Live at Leeds - The Who

Elvis Presley - Elvis Presley

Tapestry - Carole King

Master of Puppets - Metallica

V.

Quadrophenia - The Who

Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs - Derek and the Dominoes

Truth - Jeff Beck

Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music - Ray Charles

Rain Dogs - Tom Waits

Dirty Deeds done dirt cheap--ac/dc

Unplugged - Nirvana

Graceland - Paul Simon

Nevermind - Nirvana

Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen

VI.

Joshua Tree - U2

The Stranger - Billy Joel

The bends--radiohead

The Wall--Pink Floyd

Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd

That ######'s Crazy - Richard Pryor

Michael Jackson - Thriller

Metallica--Metallica the black album

X.

Hotel California - The Eagles
The idea has been thrown out there in some cases that we were not drafting as much the recognized great works, but trying to find the judges preferences.Music is very subjective, we all have different tastes - therefore I feel it is MORE incumbent on judging in this area to rely heavily on outside thoughts and opinions.

Placing SGT Peppers in the 4th Tier is a travesty.

Well below The Ramones, Otis Blue, The Sex Pistols, below even Back in Black, London Calling, Paranoid, Double Nickels.....................................

In a tier with Ok Computer, Let it Bleed, and Master of Puppets

SPLHCB has been rated one of the most influential and best albums of all time by numerous sources.......................

The Rolling Stone Top 500 of All Time starts like this........................

1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles

2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys

3. Revolver, The Beatles

4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan

5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles

6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye

7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones

8. London Calling, The Clash

9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan

10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles

11. The Sun Sessions, Elvis Presley

12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis

13. Velvet Underground and Nico, The Velvet Underground

14. Abbey Road, The Beatles

15. Are You Experienced?, The Jimi Hendrix Experience

16. Blood on the Tracks, Bob Dylan

17. Nevermind, Nirvana

18. Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen

19. Astral Weeks, Van Morrison

20. Thriller, Michael Jackson
The BESTEVERALBUM ranking has it at #4, not tier 4..........Besteveralbum rankings

Rankapple has SPLHCB #3.........................

Rankapple list

AVrev has it #2..........................

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Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the eighth studio album by the British rock band The Beatles. Recorded over a 129-day period beginning on 6 December 1966,[1] the album was released on 1 June 1967 in the United Kingdom and the following day in the United States. Sgt. Pepper is recognized as one of the most influential albums of all time by prominent critics and publications. It was ranked the greatest album of all time by Rolling Stone in 2003.[2]
This is clearly a Tier One, and has a case for being rated #1 overall. That is why I selected it early on. I am not even a Beatles Fan, but there can be no doubt of the greatness of the work, its influence and legacy.
 
As you can tell, I made a deliberate effort to keep multiple efforts by the same band/artist out of the top tier. It is unfair that two equally great Beatles records should take up a spot that could otherwise be occupied by the greatest efforts of equally innovative artists like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis.
The above makes no sense - it is like a lazy and biased Midwestern AP voter, who ranks Georgia # 9, even though he believes they deserve to be # 5, just because Florida and Alabama are ranked # 1 and # 4.
 
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As you can tell, I made a deliberate effort to keep multiple efforts by the same band/artist out of the top tier. It is unfair that two equally great Beatles records should take up a spot that could otherwise be occupied by the greatest efforts of equally innovative artists like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis.
The above makes no sense - it is like a lazy and biased Midwestern AP voter, who ranks Georgia # 9, even though he believes they deserve to be # 5, just because Florida and Alabama are ranked # 1 and # 4.
What the heck is a midwestern AP voter?
 
This is clearly a Tier One, and has a case for being rated #1 overall. That is why I selected it early on. I am not even a Beatles Fan, but there can be no doubt of the greatness of the work, its influence and legacy.
The Rolling Stone list also believes that Elton John's Greatest Hits is a few dozen points higher than Funhouse by the Stooges, The Redheaded Stranger by Willie Nelson, Desire by Bob Dylan and Closer by the Joy Division. I have no use for this list.You picked a record that you aren't really a fan of because you wanted to "win" this draft. Because you "aren't even a Beatles fan", you would rather accept the received wisdom of The Culture Burghers at Rolling Stone than pick a record you really love and defend it on its own merits. Boo hoo.

 
TidesofWar said:
[sure - the guy put something named Radiohead in the same tier with SGT Peppers

the SGT was below ACDC Back in black

he is not fit to judge, he obviously has an agenda, a pre-conceived order, and has no intellectual flexibility

Absurd that this exercise has ended in the hands of fools, which claim I believe is justified by the action of the "Judges"
Tides of War, it's not the judging that is currently hurting this draft, but your reaction to it. Rather than choose to make well-reasoned arguments on your own behalf, you have decided to call the judges names. Of course you are free to simply insult people if you want to, but it doesn't help your cause any.
I guess name-calling is only allowed for a certain few?I came in after a day of golf in blistering heat, and the hard drinking that followed, as one of my buddies nailed a hole-in-one.

I was pleased to see the album ramkings, but enraged at what I saw. It brought out my bi-polarity, and I must say I never thought I could get that worked up over ANY Beatles work.

Not a fan of the Fab 4, you see, but common sense and research told me that SPLHCB might be the # 1 overall album.

Now if you will excuse, it is time for the weekly intervention - hope its DR Phils week, cause he brings some tasty fried chicken :lmao:

 
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Overall a very nice job, Oliver. I disagree with you on two points, one general and one specific.

General: I don't think it's right for you to attempt to keep the same artist from having multiple albums in the top tier. IMO, it really shouldn't matter who the artist is, only the the output. You may not believe that Revolver, Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, and Rubber Soul are 4 of the top ten albums of all time. But if you DO believe it, then the fact that they are by the same artist should not be relevant.
Perhaps you are right. Krista has made essentially the same argument, and I see the merits in it. However, with the top few tiers of music, the best of the best are so flipping close in terms of actual greatness, that I'd rather acknowledge the variety of great music in the picks. But I may recant. I don't know yet.
Specific: I think London Calling is too low. Most great albums are either innovative, influential, great to listen to, or full of incredible pop melodies and performances. London Calling combines all of these. One of the amazing things about this album is that it's a double album, and yet there are still no wasted moments. (Compare that to the Clash's next effort, Sandinista, which has several brilliant moments but also many throwaway songs.) I didn't draft the Clash so there is no particular reason for me to be making this argument- except that it has to be made. It is, IMO, the one glaring error in your rankings.
I'll listen to this record again today. To be honest, I haven't heard it quite a while. My impression, and why I had it ranked lower, is that it isn't my favorite Clash record. That the first one was the business, while this one was kind of Clash-lite. I am probably wrong about this, and will adjust accordingly.I will not listen to the abortion that is Sandinista! ever again, however.

 
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I'll listen to this record again today. To be honest, I haven't heard it quite a while. My impression, and why I had it ranked lower, is that it isn't my favorite Clash record. That the first one was the business, while this one was kind of Clash-lite. I am probably wrong about this, and will adjust accordingly.
No, that's pretty much spot on.
 
This is clearly a Tier One, and has a case for being rated #1 overall. That is why I selected it early on. I am not even a Beatles Fan, but there can be no doubt of the greatness of the work, its influence and legacy.
The Rolling Stone list also believes that Elton John's Greatest Hits is a few dozen points higher than Funhouse by the Stooges, The Redheaded Stranger by Willie Nelson, Desire by Bob Dylan and Closer by the Joy Division. I have no use for this list.You picked a record that you aren't really a fan of because you wanted to "win" this draft. Because you "aren't even a Beatles fan", you would rather accept the received wisdom of The Culture Burghers at Rolling Stone than pick a record you really love and defend it on its own merits. Boo hoo.
As noted, I made the selection because I have the sense to realize that my eclectic tastes does not make me right, and the majority of the music business, and the world, wrong.This draft was not a "Pick your Favorite", after all. Maybe that concept has eluded you.

I referenced much more than just RS, as well. Sounds like you have something personal with them, perhaps.

The path of wisdom includes the ability to realize that things are not always the way you wish them, see them, or want them.

You just seem to be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes, and I think that it is wrong.

Just seems to be a chance to rail at the "establishment" - maybe a continium of the punk rocker days.

:cry:

 
Thanks for the effort you put into the tiering OH (and others that have posted theirs so far). There were so many great albums drafted but unfortunately some of them are going to get low rankings. Too bad we couldn't give out more 20's.

 
I'm not going to get into a long winded defense of my album picks because it's clear it won't matter. I appreciate OH's work here and it looks like he worked hard/is going to work hard on the album rankings. But anyone who so thoroughly attacks the Eagles has an opinion I really don't even care about music wise. (I don't mean that as an attack, but as a descriptive statement of my opinion.)

Further, I knew my Richard Pryor album wouldn't get too much love, but last tier isn't fair either. It's the greatest stand up comedy album ever made. But hey, it gets hurt because the rest of the category is music.

Again, OH, thanks for the help with everything. But I doubt you and I would ever be able to sit in the same room together without killing each other trying to listen to music.

 
This is clearly a Tier One, and has a case for being rated #1 overall. That is why I selected it early on. I am not even a Beatles Fan, but there can be no doubt of the greatness of the work, its influence and legacy.
The Rolling Stone list also believes that Elton John's Greatest Hits is a few dozen points higher than Funhouse by the Stooges, The Redheaded Stranger by Willie Nelson, Desire by Bob Dylan and Closer by the Joy Division. I have no use for this list.You picked a record that you aren't really a fan of because you wanted to "win" this draft. Because you "aren't even a Beatles fan", you would rather accept the received wisdom of The Culture Burghers at Rolling Stone than pick a record you really love and defend it on its own merits. Boo hoo.
You just seem to be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes, and I think that it is wrong.
I noticed. You seem to think that I should be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes.
 
Thanks for the effort you put into the tiering OH (and others that have posted theirs so far). There were so many great albums drafted but unfortunately some of them are going to get low rankings. Too bad we couldn't give out more 20's.
:confused: I'm soooooo glad that Postradamus took over acting performances. That category is full of almost nothing but 19s and 20s. Albums and songs are, too.
 
Tier 4:GettysburgDie HardPatton
Seriously? Die Hard.... last tier? Patton as well? I really don't know how to comment. It'e been clear that you have a taste in movies that is not solely American, while I don't think I could count the amount of foreign films I've seen on my thumbs, but still. I will give you one thing, though. There are going to be films that get hosed here - like TV shows - that shouldn't but the competition is just fierce. Still, Die Hard should be much higher as should Patton. As for Gettysburg, you said you didn't see it so all I can say is, watch it. You should love it.
 
I'm not going to get into a long winded defense of my album picks because it's clear it won't matter. I appreciate OH's work here and it looks like he worked hard/is going to work hard on the album rankings. But anyone who so thoroughly attacks the Eagles has an opinion I really don't even care about music wise. (I don't mean that as an attack, but as a descriptive statement of my opinion.)Further, I knew my Richard Pryor album wouldn't get too much love, but last tier isn't fair either. It's the greatest stand up comedy album ever made. But hey, it gets hurt because the rest of the category is music.Again, OH, thanks for the help with everything. But I doubt you and I would ever be able to sit in the same room together without killing each other trying to listen to music.
I think as long as the two of you didn't talk about politics, religion, music, literature, or movies, you'd get along famously. :confused:
 
This is clearly a Tier One, and has a case for being rated #1 overall. That is why I selected it early on. I am not even a Beatles Fan, but there can be no doubt of the greatness of the work, its influence and legacy.
The Rolling Stone list also believes that Elton John's Greatest Hits is a few dozen points higher than Funhouse by the Stooges, The Redheaded Stranger by Willie Nelson, Desire by Bob Dylan and Closer by the Joy Division. I have no use for this list.You picked a record that you aren't really a fan of because you wanted to "win" this draft. Because you "aren't even a Beatles fan", you would rather accept the received wisdom of The Culture Burghers at Rolling Stone than pick a record you really love and defend it on its own merits. Boo hoo.
You just seem to be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes, and I think that it is wrong.
I noticed. You seem to think that I should be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes.
I would like to go on record saying the rankings should be according to my personal likes and dislikes. I would appreciate it if the judges would comply. TIA.
 
I'm not going to get into a long winded defense of my album picks because it's clear it won't matter. I appreciate OH's work here and it looks like he worked hard/is going to work hard on the album rankings. But anyone who so thoroughly attacks the Eagles has an opinion I really don't even care about music wise. (I don't mean that as an attack, but as a descriptive statement of my opinion.)Further, I knew my Richard Pryor album wouldn't get too much love, but last tier isn't fair either. It's the greatest stand up comedy album ever made. But hey, it gets hurt because the rest of the category is music.Again, OH, thanks for the help with everything. But I doubt you and I would ever be able to sit in the same room together without killing each other trying to listen to music.
I think as long as the two of you didn't talk about politics, religion, music, literature, or movies, you'd get along famously. :confused:
So...... the only topic that's fair game is.......... you.Interesting.
 
I'm not going to get into a long winded defense of my album picks because it's clear it won't matter. I appreciate OH's work here and it looks like he worked hard/is going to work hard on the album rankings. But anyone who so thoroughly attacks the Eagles has an opinion I really don't even care about music wise. (I don't mean that as an attack, but as a descriptive statement of my opinion.)

Further, I knew my Richard Pryor album wouldn't get too much love, but last tier isn't fair either. It's the greatest stand up comedy album ever made. But hey, it gets hurt because the rest of the category is music.

Again, OH, thanks for the help with everything. But I doubt you and I would ever be able to sit in the same room together without killing each other trying to listen to music.
Dad?Just kidding. I ranked the Richard Pryor album low, as I would any comedy record that makes it on to that list, for a reason. And that reason is that comedy--no matter how great--is more temporal, more ephemeral, and less essential than music. Believe it or not, I found that record on YouTube and listened to the whole damn thing. It is pretty great, but I would trade it for Giant Steps in a second. I'm sorry.

YankeeFan, some of my best friends have the absolute worst taste in music I've ever heard. Some of them even like the Eagles. We'd probably get along fine.

Oh, and just so you don't believe that I am inherently incapable of enjoying music made by Eagles personnel, please enjoy this face-slaying performance of Joe Walsh's James Gang kicking ### all over the place.

 
Tier 4:GettysburgDie HardPatton
Seriously? Die Hard.... last tier? Patton as well? I really don't know how to comment. It'e been clear that you have a taste in movies that is not solely American, while I don't think I could count the amount of foreign films I've seen on my thumbs, but still. I will give you one thing, though. There are going to be films that get hosed here - like TV shows - that shouldn't but the competition is just fierce. Still, Die Hard should be much higher as should Patton. As for Gettysburg, you said you didn't see it so all I can say is, watch it. You should love it.
I had Patton ranked in Tier 3 but needed to balance the tiers, and that was the one I moved down. I don't like having any of these movies in the last tier.I did watch Gettysburg, and I think there are some really cool things about it. It just can't compare to the other great movies on this scale. As someone said earlier, there weren't many "Anna Nicole Smith" moments in this draft, and there were none in the movie selections. I'd be much happier if we could do away with the requirement that we only have a certain number of 20s, 19s, etc. Without that scale, I don't think I'd rank anything on this list lower than a 13 or 14.I love Die Hard. Really love it. But the problem I had with ranking it higher is the problem I had when I wanted to rank Monty Python higher as well. It's that while it's arguably one of the best action movies--as Monty Python is arguably one of the best comedies--it's not clearly in a realm above a whole list of others. It doesn't do anything extraordinary--it is simply a very good action movie and a lot of fun. The movies in the tiers above it are more distinguishable.As for American vs. foreign, my tiers are very balanced between them, as I think they should be. No country or region dominates quality movie-making, which is part of the reason I love movies so much--I can choose from a great Hollywood blockbuster like Die Hard or a fabulous Iranian film like Children of Heaven. Both have their merits!
 
Nod to the judges, thanks for the rankings and ratings and facilitating our discussions.

That said, some of us will ##### and moan about the placements (I recall one odd duck defending a cricket sporting achievement based on the bell curve!). Try not to take it to heart, it sucks to be attacked by numerous people, just think of it as people passionately defending their own biases rather than personal attacks. These are among the best achievements of man, of course the rankings are going to be difficult.

That said, please continue to go by (and let us know) the things that move you. Thats the only real yard stick we can use here. If I wanted to know what popular lists had ranked, I could have skipped the exercise and cut and pasted them.

That said, OH rank At Folsom Prison higher, or I shall send Richard Gere's Gerbil Brigade after you! :thumbup:

 
This is clearly a Tier One, and has a case for being rated #1 overall. That is why I selected it early on. I am not even a Beatles Fan, but there can be no doubt of the greatness of the work, its influence and legacy.
The Rolling Stone list also believes that Elton John's Greatest Hits is a few dozen points higher than Funhouse by the Stooges, The Redheaded Stranger by Willie Nelson, Desire by Bob Dylan and Closer by the Joy Division. I have no use for this list.You picked a record that you aren't really a fan of because you wanted to "win" this draft. Because you "aren't even a Beatles fan", you would rather accept the received wisdom of The Culture Burghers at Rolling Stone than pick a record you really love and defend it on its own merits. Boo hoo.
You just seem to be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes, and I think that it is wrong.
I noticed. You seem to think that I should be ranking according to your personal likes and dislikes.
No - You should be ranking objectively and fairlyIf I was ranking my personal 50 favorite albums, there would be no Beatles

That does not diminish their quality of work or influence.

 
Tier 1:

Citizen Kane - I get the technical love of this movie, but I wouldn't tier 1 this thing.

Casablanca - obvious

The Godfather - obvious

Seven Samurai - never saw it

The Battleship Potemkin - I would drop this

Vertigo - teir 2

Rear Window - tough. I think I would drop it

Singin’ in the Rain - This is one of my personal favoite movies and I wouldn't put it in tier 1

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - I get it. I don't like it, but I get it.

The Rules of the Game - too high

Chinatown - solid

The Third Man - meh

City Lights - meh

Schindler’s List - solid

2001: A Space Odyssey - sorry, this movie sucked. I know that annoys some people but it's true.

Bicycle Thieves - never saw it

Dr Strangelove - solid

The Wizard of Oz - solid

Modern Times - I guess

The Searchers - I guess

Tier 2:

Lawrence of Arabia - tier 1

Aguirre, The Wrath of God

The Battle of Algiers

M

North by Northwest

Star Wars - tier 1

The Godfather, Part II - tier 1

Some Like It Hot

Gone with the Wind - tier 1

Raging Bull - tier 1

Psycho - this is a tough one. You really couldn't argue it in tier 1, and it seems low here a little

Blade Runner - I wouldn't put this higher then tier 3

Pulp Fiction - a personal fav but this is about right, low end of this tier.

The Gold Rush

Apocalypse Now

It’s a Wonderful Life

On the Waterfront - tier 1

Sunset Boulevard

The Silence of the Lambs

Unforgiven

Tier 3:

E.T. - this has to go higher somehow

Jaws - so does this

Rocky - and this

The Shawshank Redemption - and this

Notorious

The Last Picture Show

Ben-Hur

The Empire Strikes Back - as far as actual story, this movie was light years better then Star Wars

The Graduate

Ikiru

The Deer Hunter - I agree and find this movie overrated by many

The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

Throne of Blood

Cinema Paradiso

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

Through a Glass Darkly

The Exorcist

Midnight Express

The Maltese Falcon

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

The Outlaw Josie Wales

12 Angry Men

Tier 4:

Castle in the Sky

Gettysburg - with the competition tier 4 isn't exactly bad

The Longest Day

Reservoir Dogs - has to be higher

Scarface - has to be higher

Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Alien

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King

The Jazz Singer

The Sting

Die Hard - has to be higher

Pinocchio

The Usual Suspects

Patton - has to be higher

I tried to move them around into the tiers I would put them all in and decided that I'd rather go to the dentist. This is tough.

 
I'm not going to get into a long winded defense of my album picks because it's clear it won't matter. I appreciate OH's work here and it looks like he worked hard/is going to work hard on the album rankings. But anyone who so thoroughly attacks the Eagles has an opinion I really don't even care about music wise. (I don't mean that as an attack, but as a descriptive statement of my opinion.)

Further, I knew my Richard Pryor album wouldn't get too much love, but last tier isn't fair either. It's the greatest stand up comedy album ever made. But hey, it gets hurt because the rest of the category is music.

Again, OH, thanks for the help with everything. But I doubt you and I would ever be able to sit in the same room together without killing each other trying to listen to music.
Dad?Just kidding. I ranked the Richard Pryor album low, as I would any comedy record that makes it on to that list, for a reason. And that reason is that comedy--no matter how great--is more temporal, more ephemeral, and less essential than music. Believe it or not, I found that record on YouTube and listened to the whole damn thing. It is pretty great, but I would trade it for Giant Steps in a second. I'm sorry.

YankeeFan, some of my best friends have the absolute worst taste in music I've ever heard. Some of them even like the Eagles. We'd probably get along fine.

Oh, and just so you don't believe that I am inherently incapable of enjoying music made by Eagles personnel, please enjoy this face-slaying performance of Joe Walsh's James Gang kicking ### all over the place.

:thumbup:
 
Tier 4:GettysburgDie HardPatton
Seriously? Die Hard.... last tier? Patton as well? I really don't know how to comment. It'e been clear that you have a taste in movies that is not solely American, while I don't think I could count the amount of foreign films I've seen on my thumbs, but still. I will give you one thing, though. There are going to be films that get hosed here - like TV shows - that shouldn't but the competition is just fierce. Still, Die Hard should be much higher as should Patton. As for Gettysburg, you said you didn't see it so all I can say is, watch it. You should love it.
I had Patton ranked in Tier 3 but needed to balance the tiers, and that was the one I moved down. I don't like having any of these movies in the last tier.I did watch Gettysburg, and I think there are some really cool things about it. It just can't compare to the other great movies on this scale. As someone said earlier, there weren't many "Anna Nicole Smith" moments in this draft, and there were none in the movie selections. I'd be much happier if we could do away with the requirement that we only have a certain number of 20s, 19s, etc. Without that scale, I don't think I'd rank anything on this list lower than a 13 or 14.I love Die Hard. Really love it. But the problem I had with ranking it higher is the problem I had when I wanted to rank Monty Python higher as well. It's that while it's arguably one of the best action movies--as Monty Python is arguably one of the best comedies--it's not clearly in a realm above a whole list of others. It doesn't do anything extraordinary--it is simply a very good action movie and a lot of fun. The movies in the tiers above it are more distinguishable.As for American vs. foreign, my tiers are very balanced between them, as I think they should be. No country or region dominates quality movie-making, which is part of the reason I love movies so much--I can choose from a great Hollywood blockbuster like Die Hard or a fabulous Iranian film like Children of Heaven. Both have their merits!
Fair enough. Like I said above, I tried to do your job here and can't. So, how can I argue?
 
No - You should be ranking objectively and fairly
Sounds good. You show me a method, or unbiased scientific instrument, that measures the inherent quality and cultural influence of each record and I shall apply it. Until you do, SPLHCB remains less important to me and world-at-large than the first Ramones record. :nyah-nyah-nyah emoticon:
 
Nod to the judges, thanks for the rankings and ratings and facilitating our discussions.That said, some of us will ##### and moan about the placements (I recall one odd duck defending a cricket sporting achievement based on the bell curve!). Try not to take it to heart, it sucks to be attacked by numerous people, just think of it as people passionately defending their own biases rather than personal attacks. These are among the best achievements of man, of course the rankings are going to be difficult.That said, please continue to go by (and let us know) the things that move you. Thats the only real yard stick we can use here. If I wanted to know what popular lists had ranked, I could have skipped the exercise and cut and pasted them.That said, OH rank At Folsom Prison higher, or I shall send Richard Gere's Gerbil Brigade after you! :popcorn:
I have only had a problem with one judge, I think the others have done well in their initial listings.The one judge acts as if we should have drafted for his personal likes, and is not open or receptive to other inputs. He acts as if God has decreed him "Supreme Musical Authority." Had I known this during the draft, I would have just said the hell with the albums, and used the last 3 picks for some Mark Knopfler and The Replacements.
 
I have only had a problem with one judge, I think the others have done well in their initial listings.The one judge acts as if we should have drafted for his personal likes,
It would be cooler if you did. [/mcconaughey]
and is not open or receptive to other inputs.
Not true. See above posts where I agreed to review and revise my rankings.
He acts as if God has decreed him "Supreme Musical Authority."
No. I appointed myself as such.
Had I known this during the draft, I would have just said the hell with the albums, and used the last 3 picks for some Mark Knopfler and The Replacements.
You might've done better for yourself, at least as far as the 'Mats are concerned. Great band. Knopfler? Dunno. That stuff is dad-rock. I'd have to hear more than "Sultans" and that MTV song to decide.
 
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Sorry it took so long to give you all things to yell at me about, but I am lazy. I also listened to every record picked that I wasn't already intimately familiar with. I was surprised at some of the picks. (Minutemen? Richard Pryor? The Eagles?) Equally surprised at some things that didn't get picked. (Where's Stardust, Just As I Am, Spiderland, The Redheaded Stranger, or Satan Is Real?) The best part of this draft for me was that I got to hear in toto the perfect and amazing and totally messed up masterpiece that is The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. What a record.

The second best thing was re-discovering how totally awesome Master Of Puppets really is.

All in all I thought y'all did a great job. Headache after headache.

As you can tell, I made a deliberate effort to keep multiple efforts by the same band/artist out of the top tier. It is unfair that two equally great Beatles records should take up a spot that could otherwise be occupied by the greatest efforts of equally innovative artists like Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis.

Please keep in mind that the picks in each tier are not in order, nor are the tiers set in stone. I can be persuaded by well-reasoned argument. Unless you are arguing for The Eagles, in which case you are SOL.

I.

Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys

The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus

Brilliant Corners - Thelonious Monk too high

The Velvet Underground and Nico - The Velvet Underground too high, it's good, but there are better albums below

Innervisions - Stevie Wonder same with this one.

Kind of Blue - Miles Davis

Revolver - The Beatles

In the Wee Small Hours - Frank Sinatra too high

What's Going On - Marvin Gaye too high

IV - Led Zeppelin

II.

Otis Blue - Otis Redding

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here Comes the Sex Pistols - The Sex Pistols this has to be below the Ramones, probably a tier lower

Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan too low

Giant Steps - John Coltrane

Astral Weeks - Van Morrison too high

Exile on Main Street - The Rolling Stones

Are You Experienced - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

The Ramones - The Ramones

The White Album - The Beatles TOO HIGHI meant low, but really I mean Rubber SOul and Sgt. Pepper need to be above it.

Blonde on Blonde - Bob Dylan

III.

London Calling - The Clash

Electric Ladyland - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

Paranoid--Black Sabbath

Ella and Louie--E Fitzgerald, louie Armstrong

Live at the Apollo! - James Brown

A Love Supreme--John Coltrane

Back in Black - AC/DC WAY TOO HIGH

It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - Public Enemy

Double Nickels on the Dime - The Minutemen Too high

IV.

At Folsom Prison - Johnny Cash too low

OK Computer - Radiohead

Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles way too low

Abbey Road - The Beatles

Let It Bleed - The Rolling Stones too low

Rubber Soul - The Beatles too low

Live at Leeds - The Who

Elvis Presley - Elvis Presley too low

Tapestry - Carole King

Master of Puppets - Metallica too high for sure

V.

Quadrophenia - The Who toooo low

Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs - Derek and the Dominoes

Truth - Jeff Beck

Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music - Ray Charles too low

Rain Dogs - Tom Waits too low

Dirty Deeds done dirt cheap--ac/dc too high

Unplugged - Nirvana

Graceland - Paul Simon too high

Nevermind - Nirvana TOO LOW

Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen

VI.

Joshua Tree - U2

The Stranger - Billy Joel too high

The bends--radiohead

The Wall--Pink Floyd

Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd both are too low

That ######'s Crazy - Richard Pryor

Michael Jackson - Thriller SERIOUSLY!??

Metallica--Metallica the black album

X.

Hotel California - The Eagles WAAAAYY too high :lol:
Overall, I disagree with your rankings strongly, obviously there is a lot of personal opinion in music, but some amazing, music changing albums are getting completely disrespected. sorry.
 
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Ollie, I'd be interested in your reason for putting Tapestry in Tier 4. Outside of being one of the biggest selling albums of all time and on the charts for 6 years (which I know doesn't really make any difference) it is the only (or one of only a few) albums by a female singer, who also wrote many of the songs andwho served as godmother to a whole generation of women singer-songwriters.

I'm not calling you out over this, but curious. :lmao:

BTW, excellent job on these albums. :shrug:

 

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