Is this the problem here? People are letting their personal experiences decide whether or not this was rape or right? Guess that gets back to my point earlier about the introspection hitting too close to home for some, obviously.So, to be absolutely clear here, which scenario applies to you:Evidently saying that she didn't think it was a good idea isn't a strong enough stop for these clowns. In fact, it is part of a series of actions that keep getting described as her giving consent.timschochet said:The message I'm getting here is that she should have said "stop" or "no"- not that it would have prevented her from being raped , but it would have helped her win this message board debate months later. Surprised she didn't consider that at the time...
1. You have never had a woman withdraw consent either verbally or non verbally as you tried to advance the level of intimacy from kissing to intercourse
2. You have had a woman withdraw consent either verbally or non verbally and then you waited and reattempted without asking for explicit consent
3. You have made out with a woman, had her withdraw consent in some fashion and then said, "Hey, five minutes ago you said,"No". Can I touch your ##### now?"
To answer your question: I'm probably closer to number 2 most of the times I'd been in that situation. Obviously being pushed away or having to pin someone down would have been considered an additional signal of non-consent.