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Is this the problem here? People are letting their personal experiences decide whether or not this was rape or right? Guess that gets back to my point earlier about the introspection hitting too close to home for some, obviously.
Like it or not, that isn't how the law really works here. Considering he had already gotten a vocal no, he should have been hyper-attentitive to signals like being pushed away IMO.
"SOME WOMEN LIKE IT ROUGH AND ARE INTO RAPE FANTASIES. THERE WAS NO WEAPON, SO NO RAPE"
That's something you talk about beforehand or even during. Doesn't seem like that happened here.
Pretty much all of them jackass.
It's good to know despite many other's effort to get this thread back to being somewhat productive we can count on someone like you to try and take the thread back down to a level that they can relate to. God bless the petty people.
We can only go off the information you give us. Its a thread about your secondhand account. Clarifying what you said seems rather relevant.
This thread has been on-track and productive the whole way. You just don't like what you're hearing, which is that this isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think. Even those of us who more or less agree with you (I'm one of them) can see clear as day that you're heavily invested in this thing emotionally and aren't willing to listen to alternative points of view.
I posted earlier that based on what PG has said, the girl consented to sex all the way through being carried into the bedroom and (apparently) getting undressed. When people people have pointed this out to him, he's gotten irrationally upset about it, and that's served to derail the discussion.
I know people aren't taking notes on who said what in this thread, but I'm in the "This was probably rape" camp. My only point in the post Rick James is referencing is that PG isn't capable of looking at this objectively.
seems a bit presumptive. "gets a little caught up in the moment" needs to be explained, as that's the only part that could possibly be construed as consent.
I think that's clearly chick-speak for "I was down with things at that point." Plus she ended up naked somehow -- PG doesn't say that she was undressed against her will, and I'm assuming he would have mentioned it if the guy had ripped her clothes off, so I'm reading consent into that too. Honestly, I think that's the only reasonable way to read the OP.
Fair point. But let's just say this would not be the prosecutor's closing argument or opening statement for that matter.
I know. But if you were a prosecutor sitting alone in your office deciding whether to press charges, and the OP was all you had to go on, presumably you'd notice this part.
Couple of things.
It probably wouldn't include her "snapping out of it". Personally I know that look well. Seen it a million times - usually when my underwear comes off.
It sounds like the only definitive signals/responses she gave to his proposition, both verbally and physically, were saying "no", so yeah, that's rape.
You don't think it sounds like she was a willing participant in the whole going upstairs and getting naked part?
Should be in all caps at least.
People that have made a valid argument in a respectful way have been treated in kind. I am willing to admit I am more sensitive on this than I should be but I would think the subject matter would require people to be sensitive in kind. This thread is full of instances where I respect what someone else had to say it has typically been when someone takes what I feel to be a shot at the "victim" where I tend to give a more emotional reply.
Obviously it would. I can not imagine him not having a different version. However, it doesn't change the version of the story that has him pinning a girl down to have sex with him.
*just lays there*.
