That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.
I agree, I like Matt...but I see a huge difference between Gordon and Yeldon. I feel that Ryan has backed away somewhat, I haven't seen as much of his stuff lately.Generally I think Matt Miller is pretty good tdmills. I was looking for Ryan Lownes rankings but didn't find any new material from him. It would be nice to collect as many pre combine lists as we can before things get really silly.
I share the same feeling that White is being over-ranked by a lot of the major draftniks lately.
You put too much stock in measurables.White is a completely different player at 6'1 vs 6'3 doing what he does.
Miller is way off on this take. Funny how he knocks Gordon's prodcution, yet doesn't realize Tevin Coleman was so reliant on the big play.That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
Melvin Gordon still carries RD2 grade for me. Like a lot of his traits, but also question production, next-level ability. Not a safe pick
FSU RB Karlos Williams' "character will be combed over carefully," wrote NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein.Agree it's a solid draft this year -- the top-3/4 is maybe a little soft or with more Qs than in some previous years. But there's depth thru 15-20 for sure.
What's not there this year (at least so far) is completely unheralded guys that make picks 20-40 worth owning. Last year was a bonanza for late picks -- with McKinnon, Carr, Garoppolo, Janis and even some high risk/reward plays that already didn't pan out, like Lyerla. There will probably be a guy or two emerge, but right now I think it'll be fairly bare and appropriately priced after #20 this year.
Too short to be elite, eh?That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
Haven't you heard? Odell Beckham just remeasured in at 6'4. He decided to stand all the way up this time. That explains his prolific season.Too short to be elite, eh?That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
Awesome. Can I draft him this year?I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
Awesome. Can I draft him this year?I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
That's like saying Jonathan Stewart was a better prospect than Jamaal Charles and Steven Jackson. Last time I checked, elite RBs come in all flavors.I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
I couldn't disagree more with your Gurley evaluation. I see nothing sluggish about his game--especially how impressively quick he gets his 225 pound frame to top gear.I haven't watched as much of Gurley yet, but there's a bit of a sluggish quality to his game. Fast top end speed, but slow acceleration. Slow to the LOS. Also runs a bit upright. Chubb is more powerful, more compact, and seemingly a lot faster out of the blocks. I went back and watched him for the sake of comparison after watching Gurley and he stood out more. So if you want to talk about this 2015 class, I would say it's hard to argue that the RBs are elite when there is a better guy in the lower grades already. Zeke Elliott might have a case as well.
Why is it like that? Maybe I just think he's a better talent. He does almost everything better than those guys.That's like saying Jonathan Stewart was a better prospect than Jamaal Charles and Steven Jackson. Last time I checked, elite RBs come in all flavors.I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
Chubb looked great and it's not the end all or be all stat but Gurley did have a higher YPC average than Chubb last season and in similar games. Both looked great but I would not say Chubb looked more impressive than Gurley has ever been.Not likely since Chubb was more impressive as a freshman than Gurley has ever been.
This probably isn't the place for that discussion, but I felt he clearly looked better. It's not just about stats. Tevin Coleman had great stats against amateur defenses, but that doesn't mean he's a better prospect than people like Doug Martin or Steven Jackson who had much more modest numbers in college. What works against college defenses and what works in the NFL aren't exactly the same thing. That being said, I don't think there's any specific part of the game where Gurley has an edge over Chubb.Chubb looked great and it's not the end all or be all stat but Gurley did have a higher YPC average than Chubb last season and in similar games. Both looked great but I would not say Chubb looked more impressive than Gurley has ever been.Not likely since Chubb was more impressive as a freshman than Gurley has ever been.
Gurley faced a much better SEC E and played that nasty Bama D in the championship game as a freshman. That years Florida D is much better than anything Chubb has suited up against. Chubb played in the weakest SEC E in some time last year.Chubb looked great and it's not the end all or be all stat but Gurley did have a higher YPC average than Chubb last season and in similar games. Both looked great but I would not say Chubb looked more impressive than Gurley has ever been.Not likely since Chubb was more impressive as a freshman than Gurley has ever been.
The bolded above are absolutely not true. Also for strengths Gordon's vision is just o.k...I wouldn't list his vision as a strength. Gordon is not a power back by any means but he does run with some power.Awesome. Can I draft him this year?I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
Point was that neither Gordon or Gurley quite looked like the awesome talent I was expecting. I have spent a couple months away from the 2015 class watching devy players, so coming back with a fresh set of eyes was interesting. I'm only about halfway through their games that are available online, but right now my notes on Gordon are that he has good feet behind the LOS, north-south acceleration, patience, and vision. However, he goes down on first contact almost every time, has mediocre-to-below average elusiveness overall, does not appear to have truly elite speed, and has relatively bad balance. He has massive thighs, but no functional power. He made some great individual plays, but no doubt benefited from huge lanes at times. I have the 1.01 rookie pick in one league and I don't know that I could take him there with confidence. It may hinge on the combine a bit. Given how awesome his stats were last year, I don't find his tape to be quite equal to the production.
I haven't watched as much of Gurley yet, but there's a bit of a sluggish quality to his game. Fast top end speed, but slow acceleration. Slow to the LOS. Also runs a bit upright. Chubb is more powerful, more compact, and seemingly a lot faster out of the blocks. I went back and watched him for the sake of comparison after watching Gurley and he stood out more. So if you want to talk about this 2015 class, I would say it's hard to argue that the RBs are elite when there is a better guy in the lower grades already. Zeke Elliott might have a case as well.
Well, not necessarily. It's also important to think about where they fit in the grand scheme of things. Is the QB1 in this draft a "soft" #1 like EJ Manuel or a "solid" #1 like Andrew Luck? Both those guys were drafted as the top player at their position in their draft, but that alone doesn't tell us a whole lot about their ability. My point in bringing up Chubb was that he represents more of a legitimate "wow" type of prospect whereas Gurley and Gordon seem more flawed. So if you're thinking about where these guys fit in the hierarchy of all NFL RBs, I'm not sure it's quite as high as their reputations would lead you to believe.This year it's just a matter of how the prospects rate in relation to each other.
I also have Chubb rated as the best RB in college football. (With the caveat that I've only been able to find video of two of his games, against Louisville & Auburn.) His biggest edge on Gurley is in his power & slipperiness in traffic, which is one area where Gurley is not so special and Chubb is.Awesome. Can I draft him this year?I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
Point was that neither Gordon or Gurley quite looked like the awesome talent I was expecting. I have spent a couple months away from the 2015 class watching devy players, so coming back with a fresh set of eyes was interesting. I'm only about halfway through their games that are available online, but right now my notes on Gordon are that he has good feet behind the LOS, north-south acceleration, patience, and vision. However, he goes down on first contact almost every time, has mediocre-to-below average elusiveness overall, does not appear to have truly elite speed, and has relatively bad balance. He has massive thighs, but no functional power. He made some great individual plays, but no doubt benefited from huge lanes at times. I have the 1.01 rookie pick in one league and I don't know that I could take him there with confidence. It may hinge on the combine a bit. Given how awesome his stats were last year, I don't find his tape to be quite equal to the production.
I haven't watched as much of Gurley yet, but there's a bit of a sluggish quality to his game. Fast top end speed, but slow acceleration. Slow to the LOS. Also runs a bit upright. Chubb is more powerful, more compact, and seemingly a lot faster out of the blocks. I went back and watched him for the sake of comparison after watching Gurley and he stood out more. So if you want to talk about this 2015 class, I would say it's hard to argue that the RBs are elite when there is a better guy in the lower grades already. Zeke Elliott might have a case as well.
I watched three of his games last night. From what I recall he is extremely easy to tackle. Goes down almost every time anyone gets a hand on him. One of the biggest weaknesses in his game. Maybe his vision isn't as good as I've suggested, but to me he did a good job of finding the hole and making the right decisions.The bolded above are absolutely not true. Also for strengths Gordon's vision is just o.k...I wouldn't list his vision as a strength.
But if I'm on the lookout for a RB, these are the first guys I'm going to pick from this year. I could agree they're not necessarily elite prospects but part of that is because the elite bar is set so high.Well, not necessarily. It's also important to think about where they fit in the grand scheme of things. Is the QB1 in this draft a "soft" #1 like EJ Manuel or a "solid" #1 like Andrew Luck? Both those guys were drafted as the top player at their position in their draft, but that alone doesn't tell us a whole lot about their ability. My point in bringing up Chubb was that he represents more of a legitimate "wow" type of prospect whereas Gurley and Gordon seem more flawed. So if you're thinking about where these guys fit in the hierarchy of all NFL RBs, I'm not sure it's quite as high as their reputations would lead you to believe.This year it's just a matter of how the prospects rate in relation to each other.
Each guy has a unique style. At the end of the day, eventual (fantasy) production is what's going to matter. I do like Chubb a lot, but I also like both Gordon and Gurley a lot. In a vacuum I'd take Chubb over Gurley, but I wouldn't say that means Chubb is "a better prospect". He's just better at certain things. Gordon doesn't have either guy's power, but he has great acceleration and great feet. Put each guy behind the same O-line and you'll likely get the same results.Why is it like that? Maybe I just think he's a better talent. He does almost everything better than those guys.That's like saying Jonathan Stewart was a better prospect than Jamaal Charles and Steven Jackson. Last time I checked, elite RBs come in all flavors.I have been reviewing games of Gordon and Gurley for an article that I'm writing. I think Nick Chubb is a much better prospect than either guy.
Sorry, but 100% disagree.I watched three of his games last night. From what I recall he is extremely easy to tackle. Goes down almost every time anyone gets a hand on him. One of the biggest weaknesses in his game. Maybe his vision isn't as good as I've suggested, but to me he did a good job of finding the hole and making the right decisions.The bolded above are absolutely not true. Also for strengths Gordon's vision is just o.k...I wouldn't list his vision as a strength.
Of the 3 things I highlighted you are closest on this. He's not a power runner but he is strong enough to break some tackles. I don't see see him dropping at first contact. I don't think a RB can average over 7 yards a carry over 2 plus years of college football if that were the case. Your assessment of his elusiveness and balance are stunning to me as most everyone lists those as his strengths. His balance is incredible. While his vision is decent he likes to bounce runs outside which worked well at the college level but won't be open as much at the pro level. He will just have an adjustment period that's all.Look I get that not everyone loves Gordon and his success at the NFL level is up for debate I was just shocked at reading your assessment of him because it's so different from not only everything I've read about him but also everything I've seen with my own eyes. Also keep in mind the Badgers offensive line wasn't as good as in years past (still decent) and their passing game was embarrassing for a top 20 program. Gordon was facing stacked boxes all year.I watched three of his games last night. From what I recall he is extremely easy to tackle. Goes down almost every time anyone gets a hand on him. One of the biggest weaknesses in his game. Maybe his vision isn't as good as I've suggested, but to me he did a good job of finding the hole and making the right decisions.The bolded above are absolutely not true. Also for strengths Gordon's vision is just o.k...I wouldn't list his vision as a strength.
You put too much stock into an overall 40 time.His strength will be his explosiveness in his Vertical and Broad Jump, not his long speed. We all know that already. People don't compare him to Charles because of the speed. Charles is special for other reasons besides his speed. There's a reason why he's still good and Chris Johnson is washed up.I just re-watched the 3 games I watched last night: LSU, Nebraska, and Ohio State. Overall, I'll stand by what I said. He does shed contact here and there, but it's not a big part of his game. The Nebraska game was the best game of his career and even that only had a handful of plays with significant yards after contact: the stiff-arm along the sideline in the first half, the busted LB tackle near the end of the game, the sideline hurdle (if you want to count that), and maybe 1-2 more that I'm forgetting. He did most of his damage running around the edge. Not a lot of impressive runs up the middle or good cuts at the second level. Only one big "make-you-miss" play against Nebraska that I can remember.
I'm really curious to see how he fares in the NFL. He's a unique type of back. People compare him to Charles, but a closer look reveals that they're very different. Gordon is a lot bigger, but also not nearly as fast. I counted three plays where he was run down from behind (1 vs. LSU and 2 vs. Nebraska). His acceleration is good, but he does not have the top speed of a real sprinter like Spiller, Charles, or CJ2K. At the same time, he is not especially slippery and/or powerful in traffic. Yes, you will get a juke or a broken tackle here and there, but neither trait is elite. It's kind of hard to pin down exactly what he is. He's not a power back like Stewart or MJD. He's not a juker like Abdullah or McCoy. I'd be tempted to say he's a speed back, but he's not really THAT fast compared with the league's best. You would never see Charles or Spiller run down from behind like Gordon was at times.
None of this guarantees his failure and he could always test better at the combine than expected (220+ pounds and 4.3X in the 40 could be in play, though I would estimate a lower weight and a slower 40 time). Still, I'd be more comfortable with him if he more clearly fit into one of the molds of what's currently working in the NFL.
Breshad Perriman - WR - Knights
NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein says UCF WR Breshad Perriman has the "height, weight and speed numbers that every team covets."
"Quick accelerator off the snap and destroys the cushion, forcing cornerbacks into 'turn-and-run' mode," Zierlein wrote. "Rare combination of size, top-end speed and suddenness that can be found in some of the best receivers in the game." Perriman is one of the hottest prospects in the class at the moment. ESPN's Mel Kiper recently ranked Perriman as the No. 5 receiver in the class and mocked him to the 49ers at No. 15. NFL.com's Gil Brandt says Perriman is in the first-round mix.
Source: NFL.com
Feb 13 - 2:47 AM
Really don't think you can teach that to someone when they're 22. Either you've got it or you don't.Borden said:Man, watching Sammie Coates the whole time I was yelling (not actually yelling) "GO GET THE FING BALL!!" He must drive his WR coach crazy.
He's like a really gifted fighter that needs his trainer to get him pissed off right before the fight. I'd like to see him get mentored by Steve Smith. He needs more hate in his game.
I think you left off Dyer. They have a super low grade on him anyway.Here is Lance Zierleins list from nfl.com sorted by draft grade
Cooper, Amari WR 6'1" 210 Alabama 7.0
Winston, Jameis QB 6'4" 230 Florida St. 6.5
Mariota, Marcus QB 6'4" 219 Oregon 6.3
Gurley, Todd RB 6'1" 226 Georgia 6.3
White, Kevin WR 6'3" 210 West Virginia 6.2
Gordon, Melvin RB 6'1" 213 Wisconsin 6.2
Parker, DeVante WR 6'3" 211 Louisville 6.1
Coleman, Tevin RB 6'1" 210 Indiana 6.1
Ajayi, Jay RB 6'0" 216 Boise St. 5.9
Abdullah, Ameer RB 5'9" 195 Nebraska 5.9
Strong, Jaelen WR 6'3" 215 Arizona State 5.8
Perriman, Breshad WR 6'3" 214 Central Florida 5.8
Johnson, Duke RB 5'9" 206 Miami 5.8
Greene, Rashad WR 6'0" 180 Florida St. 5.7
Smith, Devin WR 6'1" 199 Ohio St. 5.7
Williams, Maxx TE 6'4" 250 Minnesota 5.7
Green-Beckham, Dorial WR 6'6" 225 Missouri 5.6
Dorsett, Phillip WR 5'10" 183 Miami 5.6
Mayle, Vince WR 6'3" 219 Washington St. 5.6
Coates, Sammie WR 6'2" 201 Auburn 5.6
Walford, Clive TE 6'4" 258 Miami 5.6
Funchess, Devin TE 6'5" 230 Michigan 5.6
Yeldon, T.J. RB 6'2" 221 Alabama 5.6
Diggs, Stefon WR 6'0" 190 Maryland 5.5
Agholor, Nelson WR 6'1" 190 USC 5.5
Montgomery, Ty WR 6'2" 220 Stanford 5.5
Lockett, Tyler WR 5'11" 175 Kansas St. 5.5
Rawls, Thomas RB 5'10" 217 Central Michigan 5.5
Conley, Chris WR 6'3" 205 Georgia 5.4
Goodley, Antwan WR 5'11" 220 Baylor 5.4
Smelter, DeAndre WR 6'3" 222 Georgia Tech 5.4
Anderson, Dres WR 6'2" 190 Utah 5.4
Crowder, Jamison WR 5'9" 175 Duke 5.4
Harper, Josh WR 6'1" 185 Fresno St. 5.4
Lippett, Tony WR 6'3" 185 Michigan St. 5.4
Davis, Titus WR 6'2" 190 Central Michigan 5.4
Waller, Darren WR 6'5" 241 Georgia Tech 5.4
Anderson, Rory TE 6'5" 227 South Carolina 5.4
O'Leary, Nick TE 6'3" 247 Florida St. 5.4
Heuerman, Jeff TE 6'5" 255 Ohio St. 5.4
Koyack, Ben TE 6'5" 254 Notre Dame 5.4
Cobb, David RB 5'11" 220 Minnesota 5.4
Davis, Mike RB 5'9" 223 South Carolina 5.4
Artis-Payne, Cameron RB 5'11" 210 Auburn 5.4
Hardy, Justin WR 6'0" 188 East Carolina 5.3
Bell, Kenny WR 6'1" 185 Nebraska 5.3
McBride, Tre WR 6'2" 205 William & Mary 5.3
Kroft, Tyler TE 6'6" 240 Rutgers 5.3
Derby, A.J. TE 6'5" 255 Arkansas 5.3
Lewis, Dezmin WR 6'4" 212 Central Arkansas 5.2
Hill, Austin WR 6'3" 212 Arizona 5.2
Davis, Andre WR 6'1" 205 South Florida 5.2
Luckett, Donatella WR 6'0" 210 Harding 5.2
Christian, Gerald TE 6'3" 250 Louisville 5.2
Uzomah, C.J. TE 6'5" 264 Auburn 5.2
Boyle, Nick TE 6'6" 270 Delaware 5.2
Sifrin, Jean TE 6'7" 250 Massachusetts 5.2
Heard, Braylon RB 5'11" 189 Kentucky 5.2
Murphy, Marcus RB 5'9" 195 Missouri 5.2
Crockett, John RB 6'0" 202 North Dakota St. 5.2
Brown, Malcolm RB 5'11" 222 Texas 5.2
Williams, Trey RB 5'8" 195 Texas A&M 5.2
Sims, Blake QB 6'0" 208 Alabama 5.1
Heinicke, Taylor QB 6'1" 213 Old Dominion 5.1
Halliday, Connor QB 6'4" 201 Washington St. 5.1
Carden, Shane QB 6'2" 221 East Carolina 5.1
Hall, Rannell WR 6'1" 200 Central Florida 5.1
Davis, Devante WR 6'3" 215 UNLV 5.1
Taylor, Jordan WR 6'5" 210 Rice 5.1
Norwood, Levi WR 6'2" 200 Baylor 5.1
Long, Deon WR 6'0" 185 Maryland 5.1
Varga, Tyler FB 5'10" 227 Yale 5.1
Robinson, Josh RB 5'9" 215 Mississippi St. 5.1
Magee, Terrence RB 5'9" 217 LSU 5.1
Bell, Blake TE 6'6" 259 Oklahoma 5.1
Saxton, Wes TE 6'4" 235 South Alabama 5.1
James, Jesse TE 6'7" 254 Penn St. 5.1
Trail, Lynden TE 6'7" 260 Norfolk St. 5.1
Bridge, Brandon QB 6'5" 235 South Alabama 5.0
Fajardo, Cody QB 6'2" 215 Nevada 5.0
Catalon, B.J. RB 5'9" 190 TCU 5.0
Fowler, Jalston FB 6'1" 248 Alabama 5.0
Scheuerman, Ross RB 6'1" 205 Lafayette 5.0
Hart, Dee RB 5'9" 190 Colorado St. 5.0
Lee, Khari TE 6'4" 235 Bowie St. 5.0
Pierce, Casey TE 6'4" 242 Kent St. 5.0
Bibbs, E.J. TE 6'3" 264 Iowa St. 5.0
Pruitt, MyCole TE 6'3" 255 Southern Illinois 5.0
Mason, Hutson QB 6'3" 209 Georgia 4.9
Boone, Anthony QB 6'0" 225 Duke 4.9
D'Orazio, Zach WR 6'2" 217 Akron 4.9
Greenberry, Deontay WR 6'3" 200 Houston 4.9
Williams, Kasen WR 6'3" 217 Washington 4.9
Brown, Da'Ron WR 6'0" 196 Northern Illinois 4.9
King, Nigel WR 6'3" 210 Kansas 4.9
Richards, Addison WR 6'5" 205 Regina 4.9
Kelly, Taylor QB 6'2" 210 Arizona State 4.8
Mumphery, Keith WR 6'1" 211 Michigan St. 4.8
Ruffin, Ezell WR 6'1" 210 San Diego St. 4.8
Thompson, Dylan QB 6'3" 218 South Carolina 4.7
Sumler, Tacoi WR 5'9" 175 Appalachian St. 4.6
Yeah I only did the first page of players of Lance Zierleins list. Not my intent to leave anyone off it.I think you left off Dyer. They have a super low grade on him anyway.Here is Lance Zierleins list from nfl.com sorted by draft grade
Cooper, Amari WR 6'1" 210 Alabama 7.0
Winston, Jameis QB 6'4" 230 Florida St. 6.5
Mariota, Marcus QB 6'4" 219 Oregon 6.3
Gurley, Todd RB 6'1" 226 Georgia 6.3
White, Kevin WR 6'3" 210 West Virginia 6.2
Gordon, Melvin RB 6'1" 213 Wisconsin 6.2
Parker, DeVante WR 6'3" 211 Louisville 6.1
Coleman, Tevin RB 6'1" 210 Indiana 6.1
Ajayi, Jay RB 6'0" 216 Boise St. 5.9
Abdullah, Ameer RB 5'9" 195 Nebraska 5.9
Strong, Jaelen WR 6'3" 215 Arizona State 5.8
Perriman, Breshad WR 6'3" 214 Central Florida 5.8
Johnson, Duke RB 5'9" 206 Miami 5.8
Greene, Rashad WR 6'0" 180 Florida St. 5.7
Smith, Devin WR 6'1" 199 Ohio St. 5.7
Williams, Maxx TE 6'4" 250 Minnesota 5.7
Green-Beckham, Dorial WR 6'6" 225 Missouri 5.6
Dorsett, Phillip WR 5'10" 183 Miami 5.6
Mayle, Vince WR 6'3" 219 Washington St. 5.6
Coates, Sammie WR 6'2" 201 Auburn 5.6
Walford, Clive TE 6'4" 258 Miami 5.6
Funchess, Devin TE 6'5" 230 Michigan 5.6
Yeldon, T.J. RB 6'2" 221 Alabama 5.6
Diggs, Stefon WR 6'0" 190 Maryland 5.5
Agholor, Nelson WR 6'1" 190 USC 5.5
Montgomery, Ty WR 6'2" 220 Stanford 5.5
Lockett, Tyler WR 5'11" 175 Kansas St. 5.5
Rawls, Thomas RB 5'10" 217 Central Michigan 5.5
Conley, Chris WR 6'3" 205 Georgia 5.4
Goodley, Antwan WR 5'11" 220 Baylor 5.4
Smelter, DeAndre WR 6'3" 222 Georgia Tech 5.4
Anderson, Dres WR 6'2" 190 Utah 5.4
Crowder, Jamison WR 5'9" 175 Duke 5.4
Harper, Josh WR 6'1" 185 Fresno St. 5.4
Lippett, Tony WR 6'3" 185 Michigan St. 5.4
Davis, Titus WR 6'2" 190 Central Michigan 5.4
Waller, Darren WR 6'5" 241 Georgia Tech 5.4
Anderson, Rory TE 6'5" 227 South Carolina 5.4
O'Leary, Nick TE 6'3" 247 Florida St. 5.4
Heuerman, Jeff TE 6'5" 255 Ohio St. 5.4
Koyack, Ben TE 6'5" 254 Notre Dame 5.4
Cobb, David RB 5'11" 220 Minnesota 5.4
Davis, Mike RB 5'9" 223 South Carolina 5.4
Artis-Payne, Cameron RB 5'11" 210 Auburn 5.4
Hardy, Justin WR 6'0" 188 East Carolina 5.3
Bell, Kenny WR 6'1" 185 Nebraska 5.3
McBride, Tre WR 6'2" 205 William & Mary 5.3
Kroft, Tyler TE 6'6" 240 Rutgers 5.3
Derby, A.J. TE 6'5" 255 Arkansas 5.3
Lewis, Dezmin WR 6'4" 212 Central Arkansas 5.2
Hill, Austin WR 6'3" 212 Arizona 5.2
Davis, Andre WR 6'1" 205 South Florida 5.2
Luckett, Donatella WR 6'0" 210 Harding 5.2
Christian, Gerald TE 6'3" 250 Louisville 5.2
Uzomah, C.J. TE 6'5" 264 Auburn 5.2
Boyle, Nick TE 6'6" 270 Delaware 5.2
Sifrin, Jean TE 6'7" 250 Massachusetts 5.2
Heard, Braylon RB 5'11" 189 Kentucky 5.2
Murphy, Marcus RB 5'9" 195 Missouri 5.2
Crockett, John RB 6'0" 202 North Dakota St. 5.2
Brown, Malcolm RB 5'11" 222 Texas 5.2
Williams, Trey RB 5'8" 195 Texas A&M 5.2
Sims, Blake QB 6'0" 208 Alabama 5.1
Heinicke, Taylor QB 6'1" 213 Old Dominion 5.1
Halliday, Connor QB 6'4" 201 Washington St. 5.1
Carden, Shane QB 6'2" 221 East Carolina 5.1
Hall, Rannell WR 6'1" 200 Central Florida 5.1
Davis, Devante WR 6'3" 215 UNLV 5.1
Taylor, Jordan WR 6'5" 210 Rice 5.1
Norwood, Levi WR 6'2" 200 Baylor 5.1
Long, Deon WR 6'0" 185 Maryland 5.1
Varga, Tyler FB 5'10" 227 Yale 5.1
Robinson, Josh RB 5'9" 215 Mississippi St. 5.1
Magee, Terrence RB 5'9" 217 LSU 5.1
Bell, Blake TE 6'6" 259 Oklahoma 5.1
Saxton, Wes TE 6'4" 235 South Alabama 5.1
James, Jesse TE 6'7" 254 Penn St. 5.1
Trail, Lynden TE 6'7" 260 Norfolk St. 5.1
Bridge, Brandon QB 6'5" 235 South Alabama 5.0
Fajardo, Cody QB 6'2" 215 Nevada 5.0
Catalon, B.J. RB 5'9" 190 TCU 5.0
Fowler, Jalston FB 6'1" 248 Alabama 5.0
Scheuerman, Ross RB 6'1" 205 Lafayette 5.0
Hart, Dee RB 5'9" 190 Colorado St. 5.0
Lee, Khari TE 6'4" 235 Bowie St. 5.0
Pierce, Casey TE 6'4" 242 Kent St. 5.0
Bibbs, E.J. TE 6'3" 264 Iowa St. 5.0
Pruitt, MyCole TE 6'3" 255 Southern Illinois 5.0
Mason, Hutson QB 6'3" 209 Georgia 4.9
Boone, Anthony QB 6'0" 225 Duke 4.9
D'Orazio, Zach WR 6'2" 217 Akron 4.9
Greenberry, Deontay WR 6'3" 200 Houston 4.9
Williams, Kasen WR 6'3" 217 Washington 4.9
Brown, Da'Ron WR 6'0" 196 Northern Illinois 4.9
King, Nigel WR 6'3" 210 Kansas 4.9
Richards, Addison WR 6'5" 205 Regina 4.9
Kelly, Taylor QB 6'2" 210 Arizona State 4.8
Mumphery, Keith WR 6'1" 211 Michigan St. 4.8
Ruffin, Ezell WR 6'1" 210 San Diego St. 4.8
Thompson, Dylan QB 6'3" 218 South Carolina 4.7
Sumler, Tacoi WR 5'9" 175 Appalachian St. 4.6
I'm not going to say Dyer is a great prospect or a lock to be anything in the league. I agree with the criticism that he's a bit tight and lacks elusiveness, but I did think his film was reasonably good last season in the games I recorded. I think some of the analysts underestimate how well he might test in the drills. You never know until the numbers come in, but I expect him to be one of the most impressive physical specimens at RB and that should at least have teams thinking hard on day three. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the results for all of these guys. There are always surprises.
No. I prefer to look at age instead. Parker will only be 22 in his Rookie year. AJ Green and Demaryius Thomas were 22 in their final college seasons as Juniors.Do you guys ding a top level prospect for being a senior? I'm not talking about a from an age aspect.
For example, Parker is consider by many as a top 3 WR but is the fact that he is a senior a negative for such an elite prospect? Shouldn't that special of an athlete be in the NFL as soon as possible? Parker might be a special case but it's more of just a general thought.
A guy like Zeke Elliot seems to be burdened by the fact he has to go back instead of entering the draft.
Excuse me?msommer said:Too short to be elite, eh?tdmills said:That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.Biabreakable said:
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
White should drop because he's not that good. The perception that he'll measure shorter than listed stems from the fact that he doesn't really outleap defenders often nor does he have a big catch radius.Excuse me?msommer said:Too short to be elite, eh?tdmills said:That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.Biabreakable said:
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
Fixed so you don't speak for the masses. We get it, you don't like White, but add some personal preference to your calls otherwise you come off sounding like a snotty know it all.White should drop because he's not that good TO ME. The perception that he'll measure shorter than listed stems from the fact that he doesn't really outleap defenders often nor does he have a big catch radius.Excuse me?msommer said:Too short to be elite, eh?tdmills said:That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.Biabreakable said:
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
What about it is not "personal" enough? I typed it out myself and it came from my mind. Sorry if it was over your head.Fixed so you don't speak for the masses. We get it, you don't like White, but add some personal preference to your calls otherwise you come off sounding like a snotty know it all.White should drop because he's not that good TO ME. The perception that he'll measure shorter than listed stems from the fact that he doesn't really outleap defenders often nor does he have a big catch radius.Excuse me?msommer said:Too short to be elite, eh?tdmills said:That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.Biabreakable said:
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
Kansas State WR Tyler Locket "put on a clinic" when facing TCU CB Kevin White, according to NFL Media's Daniel Jeremiah.
Lockett "beat him over the top, rolling out of underneath tackles etc.." per Jeremiah. The two faced off a number of times at the Senior Bowl as well. White, like former TCU corner Jason Verrett, plays a physical game despite being a smaller outside corner. Lockett can be swift to create separation and to sustain it.
Source: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter
If you say, like you did, that "he is not that good" then it comes off as you sounding obnoxious and that your opinion is the only one that matters. I thought that was clear. I can't be the only one that read it that way.What about it is not "personal" enough? I typed it out myself and it came from my mind. Sorry if it was over your head.Fixed so you don't speak for the masses. We get it, you don't like White, but add some personal preference to your calls otherwise you come off sounding like a snotty know it all.White should drop because he's not that good TO ME. The perception that he'll measure shorter than listed stems from the fact that he doesn't really outleap defenders often nor does he have a big catch radius.Excuse me?msommer said:Too short to be elite, eh?tdmills said:That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.Biabreakable said:
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
So tell me why you like White so much to be so offended?
P.S. You're too kind. Yeah right. I am a snotty know it all and I don't care what you think of me. I only care what you think about the players. Thanks.
I never said he sucks and my opinions are my own unless otherwise noted. I bet you do this to everyone who doesn't clearly state that what they wrote is their own opinion and doesn't represent the masses. Or you just have a problem with me regardless. Nice double standard.If you say, like you did, that "he is not that good" then it comes off as you sounding obnoxious and that your opinion is the only one that matters. I thought that was clear. I can't be the only one that read it that way.What about it is not "personal" enough? I typed it out myself and it came from my mind. Sorry if it was over your head.Fixed so you don't speak for the masses. We get it, you don't like White, but add some personal preference to your calls otherwise you come off sounding like a snotty know it all.White should drop because he's not that good TO ME. The perception that he'll measure shorter than listed stems from the fact that he doesn't really outleap defenders often nor does he have a big catch radius.Excuse me?msommer said:Too short to be elite, eh?tdmills said:That's crazy...Gordon at RB4 with Yeldon 1 spot behind him.Biabreakable said:
Kevin White is dropping like a rock next week when he measures in at 6'1 instead of 6'3
So tell me why you like White so much to be so offended?
P.S. You're too kind. Yeah right. I am a snotty know it all and I don't care what you think of me. I only care what you think about the players. Thanks.
To answer your question as to why I like White it's quite simple. He runs good routes, is physical, doesn't get pushed around, high points it really well, and breaks tackles. He's also a plus blocker from what I've seen. Compared to other top WR's like Parker/Strong, White has much more explosiveness than those guys too. If you have a different opinion on him that's fine, I just have a problem with the way you portray your attitude towards certain players. He doesn't meet some criteria you've put together therefore he sucks... Give me a break.