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Seems silly to me. The Hall isn't a zero sum game. Why should admitting Greg Maddux mean bumping somebody down a level. Inducting Rabbit Maranville doesn't diminish Honus Wagner's achievements one iota, it just means one more plaque for shadyridr to obliviously wander past.
I don't see how this is hypocrisy. It's not like they openly condoned PED use or used themselves. Yes, they didn't do their jobs well with respect to coverage of PEDs, but I don't see what they did then that has to do with how they feel now about whether certain players meet certain subjective criteria.Don't get me wrong- if I had a ballot I'd vote for those guys. I just don't see the hypocrisy.
My bet is that he breaks the record for voting %.
I'll take the under
Skinny nerdy guy with 4 CY's and 350+ wins in the steroid era? The BBWAA will have one huge collective boner about putting him in next year following their statement this year.
I don't mind it either. Piazza should have gotten in all things being equal though, Biggio probably as well. But I'm fine with none as long as there is going to be some consistency. Do I think not letting Bonds and Clemons in is a joke? Yes. But letting both stew for a few years is fine with me.
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The BBWAA membership have so many individual agendas that near unanimity is impossible. There are probably a few guys who still get ballots sent to them who haven't followed the game since the days of Garry and Elliott Maddox.
boy, i do. so much sanctimony about guys they totally celebrated along the way.
She also voted for Bernie Williams.Her full ballot was Biggio, Green, Lofton, Martinez, Mattingly, Williams
Exactly.....Peace
If they took all the cheaters out of the Hall of Fame, Shady would only have to spend six minutes there. Especially pitchers doctoring the ball. Think what you want but Tim Kurkjian said today Bonds is the greatest player he's ever seen, and I agree with him 100%. Take the steroid years off, he still belongs in. He was incredible.
Say what now?
Individuals have chosen the wrong road, and they're choosing that as their legacy.....Andre DawsonAs you point out, Bonds didn't have to do them.
Clubhouse leader for 2013 quote of the year.
Clubhouse leader for 2013 quote of the year.
DrD, pass that quote through the internet.
I see the awkwardness, just not sure if it's hypocrisy. What were they supposed to do, not write about Bonds and McGwire and Sosa chasing records? Just ignore it based on their suspicions? Or condemn them for using PEDs without real evidence of it? Even an in-depth investigation (which granted, more of them should have done) would have likely come up empty. I also don't see the vote necessarily as sanctimony. For whatever reason, the Hall vote directions include stuff about "character and integrity." I don't much care about PED use back then so it doesn't bother me enough that I'd vote "no," but the criteria is so soft that I don't see how you can say someone is wrong.
I admittedly never gave much thought to Biggio on the juice, but it's guys like him that should get more scrutiny. We see guys like Bagwell and Sosa and Piazza and say that they became these home run hitting machines due to steroids, and it's reflected in their numbers. But guys like Biggio get a pass because he didn't have video game type stats. But maybe Biggio was a 3-5 HR guy and the juice got him to 15-20. Those are the guys who are WAY too under the radar to me, not just the guys who put up legendary stats. If a B+ talent takes steroids, he might become an A+ player. But if a C+ talent takes steroids, he becomes a B+ player. There are a lot more C+ talents around the game than anything else.
There were like 5 guys that submitted a ballot of just Jack Morris. If those petulant children do the same, plus the "hey look at me, I submitted a blank ballot" idiots, and I don't think highest percentage is even in play.
do you have any reasoning?
Maybe if Hawk had taken HGH he would have actually been deserving of his HOF election. Though he likely took amphetemines and quite possibly steriods too. I mean, 49 HRs were quite an abberation,
Not in 1987 they weren't.
- wrong place / wrong time teammates with Bags / Caminiti / LuGo / Finley Numbers took a decent sized jump in the mid 90's 'steroid era'. Went from a 4-6 HR hitter to 15-20. I know they moved the fences in at the Astrodome somewhere in that time, but I'd assume (maybe incorrectly) that if it coincided with the #s spike, his OPS+ would have held steady over that time since it accounts for the ballpark.Noticeable, at least to me, change is body during that time too. Went from pipsqueak, 'that guy catches?' to ripped little monster.
I remember some used to think they were all corking their bats.
That was always the speculation but was it ever proven or admitted to? Why did they juice the balls in 1987? Why did they only do so for one year?
no the players were
Any evidence to back these claims up other than your personal feelings? Baseball is alive and well.
Enjoyed this article very much. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks GB. 
