MAC_32
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they are infinitely better than the scabs on espn
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mr fancypants
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eric rymer
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They used to be as bad as Rotoworld. Bloom and Lammey started writing over there and it is getting better.Well, I can see my question has been answered!!!
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yep, big fan of Matt Miller's too.They used to be as bad as Rotoworld. Bloom and Lammey started writing over there and it is getting better.Well, I can see my question has been answered
Danish Bengal
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Looks like a very manageble schedule. I am rooting for you guys (for a WC, obv). PIT and BAL aren't scary anymore, remember that
eric rymer
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wadegarrett
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I don't see it. Especially if Watkins comes on board.
Browns were #1 in NFL in pass attempts last year. Were 30th out of 32 in rushing attempts.
Them signing Tate and and Pressley makes me think it balances out more this year. Add Watkins to the equation and Gordon won't come close to last year's numbers.
wadegarrett
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Anyone remember the last time the Browns beat the Steelers twice in one season?
Yeah, me neither.
(Record against them the past 20 years: 6-32.)
RBM
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Seems so ridiculous to not take a QB or a stud OT or a guy like Mack just to take a #2 receiver.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
umm, so? Well damn, guess we better just pack in in and FF.
Hey, anyone remember the last time Seattle won a super bowl (imagine me asking this in december)? Yeah, me either.
ghostguy123
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MAC_32
Footballguy
so now all of the qb prospects are crap, ok.
Bracie Smathers
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So-far, we've brought in the following quarterbacks for private visits:
Connor Shaw, Jimmy Garoppolo, Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Derek Carr, Aaron Murray, Tom Savage.
We're conducting thorough do-dilligence. We are going to take at least one QB in this draft.
The list of QBs includes three guys who project to go in the first round.
With three of the top 35 picks we don't have to take one with the fourth pick or even at twenty-six.
I am hearing things from different sources that makes me more-and-more convinced that we don't go quarterback at four.
I'm crossing off at least two of the top three QBs which means we are looking at Carr or possibly Bridgewater at #26.
Both Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks mocked the Browns to take WR Sammy Watkins at #4 and for QB Teddy Bridgewater to fall to us at #26 so that could happen or something similiar.
That list of QB visits tells me two things. We are taking at least one quarterback and with a list that long it tells me we're not sold on any of them with the #4 pick.
Connor Shaw, Jimmy Garoppolo, Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Derek Carr, Aaron Murray, Tom Savage.
We're conducting thorough do-dilligence. We are going to take at least one QB in this draft.
The list of QBs includes three guys who project to go in the first round.
With three of the top 35 picks we don't have to take one with the fourth pick or even at twenty-six.
I am hearing things from different sources that makes me more-and-more convinced that we don't go quarterback at four.
I'm crossing off at least two of the top three QBs which means we are looking at Carr or possibly Bridgewater at #26.
Both Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks mocked the Browns to take WR Sammy Watkins at #4 and for QB Teddy Bridgewater to fall to us at #26 so that could happen or something similiar.
That list of QB visits tells me two things. We are taking at least one quarterback and with a list that long it tells me we're not sold on any of them with the #4 pick.
ghostguy123
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I kinda think so. Basically the way I view it, if I dont think they will be a top 10 QB in the league, then it's a crap pick at 4MAC_32 said:
I've been following this thread and wondering the same thing. It seems like the NFLN guys are consistently mocking Watkins at #4 to the Browns. I think it'd be a nice pick for them from a real-world football perspective, but I wonder about the fantasy implications of him being the possible #2 guy across from Gordon without a top-level QB throwing the ball (and I like Hoyer). Is there anything local suggesting concrete interest from the Browns in Watkins beyond the obvious connection between their high pick and his high grade?RBM said:
mr fancypants
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It's all part of Farmer's master plan.Soulfly3 said:
ghostguy123
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I didnt think he was all that special even before his crappy workouts.
just something about his game, i dont know
thecardiackid
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agreed. maybe it's farmer's *smokescreen*Soulfly3 said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
NOBODY can explain why they don't like him, probably why I want him here. F u to everyone who doubted him.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ghostguy123
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ghostguy123
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MAC_32
Footballguy
so you are cool with him at 26 but also cool with throwing out I told you sos for him failing.Make up your mind.
ghostguy123
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MAC_32
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ghostguy123
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I wouldnt be nearly as mad as when we took Weeden.
Generally my thought process for QBs is you either take one real high or just dont waste a pick on one at all during the draft.
I also leave room for the possibility I am wrong. So I won't like it, but I won't throw my beer through the TV either.
ghostguy123
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what part of this are you not understanding?
I do not WANT to draft him. BUt if we pick him at 26 I wont spend the entire night and following weeks pissed off like the T-rich/Weeden draft.
If I was somehow hired to be the GM, I pass at 26. I pass on EVERY QB at 26 this year
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MAC_32
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If we draft him at four he is our qb. If we draft him at twenty six he is our qb. You can't be mad about one and not the other. If you don't want him, fine, but have some conviction. Me not having it before after being so negative about Weeden was probably an over correction, but. I want him. I realize that now. He is a great player. Nfl types don't want him because he doesn't fit their model. Just like Russell Wilson didn't. Screw the model, can he play? Bridgewater can play.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Whats wrong with my anger level going down the later we pick a guy I dont want?
Maybe I just dont get mad as easily as you, i dont know.
And what is more "conviction" than me saying "I do not want to draft him, and would not draft him at 26"?
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MAC_32
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if you don't want Bridgewater and you didn't want Weeden then you should act the same when we drafted Weeden if we draft any of these guys 26. They are our guy. The Browns have been trying to find value at qb for 15 years instead of just getting the guy and consistently failed because they don't have the balls to go up and get their guy. If you don't see the qb, then fine, don't pick one, build around Hoyer, get a possible plan b in place later, but if he flames out expect to pick a top guy next year. Stop dancing around qb afraid to get it wrong.
ghostguy123
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for some reason you seem like you think I disagree with you on this.
Teh only part we disagree on is thinking he is the guy. You do. I dont.
But no, there is a difference between taking Bridgewater at 26 and Weeden when we took him. We may as well have just picked a punter instead of Weeden.
I place percentages on things. I think Bridgewaters percentage is low, but weedens was non existent
MAC_32
Footballguy
Why is Bridgewater's percentage low? Because he is ten pounds too light? His hand size is a 1/4 " too small? His deep ball looks like Peyton Manning's?
I really don't mean to be picking on you, it's my general frustration that no one can explain why they don't like him. Mayock, who I used to respect, sent me over the deep end today. His game tape is great, all accounts say he is a whiz in the film room, but he didn't wow in shorts and a t shirt, so - not a franchise qb. It makes me punchy. If you don't think he is any good, fine, tell me why. No one has.
I really don't mean to be picking on you, it's my general frustration that no one can explain why they don't like him. Mayock, who I used to respect, sent me over the deep end today. His game tape is great, all accounts say he is a whiz in the film room, but he didn't wow in shorts and a t shirt, so - not a franchise qb. It makes me punchy. If you don't think he is any good, fine, tell me why. No one has.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
When I watched him play, I didnt think he would be good in the NFL.
If you want me to throw out measurables, well, I am not going to, so too bad. I dont see the point in that. I dont see the point in going any further than saying I dont think he looks like he will be anywhere near a top end NFL QB when watching him play.
He does not pass the eye test for me. What else you want? Like you I say "if a guy can play he can play". I dont care about measurables really. I mean, if he was 4 feet tall thats one thing.
I'll bet ya something on him..........................something halfway reasonable. And someday maybe you can collect in person at a 5k, lol
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MAC_32
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this is all anyone who doesn't like him says. They can't say why they don't like him, they just say they don't. It doesn't make you, or any of them, right. Tell me why. If you can't then you're not saying anything, and even if he fails none of his critics are right. Saying something will happen doesn't mean anything if you can say why. Take it all the way back to grade school. Show your work. If you get the right answer and you can't say why then you're still wrong.What's a rant?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Tell me why he WON'T fail
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And actually, for a GM, it doesnt matter if they can show their work or not. It only matters if they got it right or not. 
MAC_32
Footballguy
his accuracy is excellent, he steps up in big spots, he plays his best against the best, he is a tough sob that plays injured (not hurt) because it is his team, a broken wrist? F that, I have a game to win. while he is not great deep outside the hash he is great deep inside the has, did I mention he is a technician inside twenty yards? He is mobile, he doesn't run a lot but he can if he needs to or if asked to, his pocket presence is phenomenal. he does not clam up against the rush. Football iq, through the roof. He doesn't get a big head after big plays, he doesn't freeze up after a mistake, calm cool and collect, he can play under adversity, mom breast cancer? I'll go out and lead my team to a bcs bowl anyway. Then thump the best defense in the land.
MAC_32
Footballguy
results oriented analysis is a quick path towards failure. Process, process, process.And actually, for a GM, it doesnt matter if they can show their work or not. It only matters if they got it right or not.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You know just about the same exact things can be said about dozens upon dozens of BUSTS in NFL history.
I definitely do not think his accuracy is as good as you think it is. I think he looks awkward actually. Not sure why, just something about it. I saw some quick outs where they were not only not all that accurate, but took quite a long time getting there.
Unfortunately it is not possible to know his football IQ as it relates to the NFL, so can't really say his football IQ is through the roof.
His pocket presence did look ok though, except when he was waiving the ball around holding it with one hand when he scrambled. Not sure how often he did that, but he did it way too much when I watched.
Did you describe Colt Mccoy above?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
A rAtarded GM picking names out of a hat who gets it right year after year and the team wins is getting a job before a genius who never gets it right but has a great "process".results oriented analysis is a quick path towards failure. Process, process, process.And actually, for a GM, it doesnt matter if they can show their work or not. It only matters if they got it right or not.
Not saying I would hire the guy........................but if Opie from Family Guy can get it right more often than not, maybe he deserves an extension.
