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It's about time this stuff started coming out. Get it all out there in the open. Root out the bad apples, provide better training, create a safe haven for whistle-blowers, and have something good come out of all this.
sadly both of those articles are old.It's about time this stuff started coming out. Get it all out there in the open. Root out the bad apples, provide better training, create a safe haven for whistle-blowers, and have something good come out of all this.
Pinky, I'll point out a couple things in those articles:sadly both of those articles are old.It's about time this stuff started coming out. Get it all out there in the open. Root out the bad apples, provide better training, create a safe haven for whistle-blowers, and have something good come out of all this.
This is just so ####ed up. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/video-shows-police-shot-ohio-man-on-sight-as-he-leaned-on-toy-gun-in-walmart-attorney-says/Now imagine these folks were black:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/nyregion/funeral-for-slain-nypd-officer-rafael-ramos.html?_r=0A Sea of Blue, Mourning the First of Two Slain Comrades At Funeral for Officer Rafael Ramos, Police Department’s Solidarity Is on DisplayThe broad Queens avenue began filling with blue coats early. The footsteps of the saddened officers, the buzz of police talk, fed the medley of sounds of an apprehensive city shaking itself awake.
The temperature was generous for the season. Christmas decorations bedecked doorways and windows, clashing with the morning’s solemn event: the funeral of a police officer whose barbaric death has sliced deep into the city’s conscience and tested its character.
On Saturday, one week removed from the slayings, the city wept for an officer, Rafael Ramos, N.Y.P.D. Shield No. 6335, who was murdered Dec. 20 along with another officer for their choice of occupation.
The turnout was extraordinary. Though no reliable count was made, it appeared that more than 20,000 police officers came to Queens, from as far away as Wisconsin and California and England, some driving through the night to make it. Bordering streets were shut to traffic for blocks around. Traffic lights continued to change their colors, but there was no traffic, nothing but thick rows of police officers as far as anyone could see. ...
What a tremendous show of support from across the country. Unfortunately the AlSharptons have tried to make a national issue out of isolated incidents in different places, and if that's how they're being attacked then that is how they will support each other. Apparently this was quite a moving, proud and tremendously sad event.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/two-men-shoot-up-walmart-threaten-customers-with-bb-gun-arent-shot-by-police-for-some-reason/
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/28/tennessee-woman-body-armor-shoots-suburban-neighborhood.html
Report: Gun Deaths Of Officers Jump 56 Percent
CBS; December 30, 2014
WASHINGTON — The number of law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the U.S. jumped by 56 percent this year and included 15 ambush assaults, according to a report released Tuesday.
The annual report by the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund found that 50 officers were killed by guns this year, compared to 32 in 2013.
In all, the report found that 126 federal, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014. That’s a 24 percent jump from last year’s 102 on-duty deaths. Shootings were the leading cause of officer deaths in 2014 followed by traffic-related fatalities, at 49.
The sharp increase in gun-related deaths among officers followed a dramatic dip in 2013, when the figure fell to levels not seen since the 19th century. This year’s uptick comes amid increased tension between police and the public following the high-profile deaths of unarmed black men by white police officers, including that of Eric Garner in New York and Mike Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
The states that saw the most officer deaths were California, at 14, Texas, at 11, and New York, at nine. Florida followed with six deaths, and Georgia had five, according to the report.
The 15 ambush assaults on police officers this year compares to just five in 2013, but matched 2012 for the highest total since 1995, the report said.
“With the increasing number of ambush-style attacks against our officers, I am deeply concerned that a growing anti-government sentiment in America is influencing weak-minded individuals to launch violent assaults against the men and women working to enforce our laws and keep our nation safe,” said Craig Floyd, chairman and CEO of the memorial fund.
“Enough is enough,” he said in a statement. “We need to tone down the rhetoric and rally in support of law enforcement and against lawlessness.”
Among the ambush assaults were the fatal attacks on two police officers in New York City on Dec. 20. Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were gunned down in their patrol car by Ismaaiyl Brinsley after Brinsley had made threatening posts online, including a vow to put “wings on pigs” and references to the Garner and Brown cases.
After shooting the officers, Brinsley ran into a subway station and killed himself. Police said he was troubled and had shot and wounded an ex-girlfriend in Baltimore earlier that day.
I would love to compare that against national stats for how many people cops have killed. but it seems like it is taboo to collect these stats. I have heard there is basically no good source of compiled data for killings by cop.Report: Gun Deaths Of Officers Jump 56 Percent
CBS; December 30, 2014
WASHINGTON — The number of law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the U.S. jumped by 56 percent this year and included 15 ambush assaults, according to a report released Tuesday.
The annual report by the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund found that 50 officers were killed by guns this year, compared to 32 in 2013.
In all, the report found that 126 federal, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014. That’s a 24 percent jump from last year’s 102 on-duty deaths. Shootings were the leading cause of officer deaths in 2014 followed by traffic-related fatalities, at 49.
The sharp increase in gun-related deaths among officers followed a dramatic dip in 2013, when the figure fell to levels not seen since the 19th century. This year’s uptick comes amid increased tension between police and the public following the high-profile deaths of unarmed black men by white police officers, including that of Eric Garner in New York and Mike Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
The states that saw the most officer deaths were California, at 14, Texas, at 11, and New York, at nine. Florida followed with six deaths, and Georgia had five, according to the report.
The 15 ambush assaults on police officers this year compares to just five in 2013, but matched 2012 for the highest total since 1995, the report said.
“With the increasing number of ambush-style attacks against our officers, I am deeply concerned that a growing anti-government sentiment in America is influencing weak-minded individuals to launch violent assaults against the men and women working to enforce our laws and keep our nation safe,” said Craig Floyd, chairman and CEO of the memorial fund.
“Enough is enough,” he said in a statement. “We need to tone down the rhetoric and rally in support of law enforcement and against lawlessness.”
Among the ambush assaults were the fatal attacks on two police officers in New York City on Dec. 20. Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were gunned down in their patrol car by Ismaaiyl Brinsley after Brinsley had made threatening posts online, including a vow to put “wings on pigs” and references to the Garner and Brown cases.
After shooting the officers, Brinsley ran into a subway station and killed himself. Police said he was troubled and had shot and wounded an ex-girlfriend in Baltimore earlier that day.
I would love to compare that against national stats for how many people cops have killed. but it seems like it is taboo to collect these stats. I have heard there is basically no good source of compiled data for killings by cop.Report: Gun Deaths Of Officers Jump 56 Percent
CBS; December 30, 2014
WASHINGTON — The number of law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the U.S. jumped by 56 percent this year and included 15 ambush assaults, according to a report released Tuesday.
The annual report by the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund found that 50 officers were killed by guns this year, compared to 32 in 2013.
In all, the report found that 126 federal, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014. That’s a 24 percent jump from last year’s 102 on-duty deaths. Shootings were the leading cause of officer deaths in 2014 followed by traffic-related fatalities, at 49.
The sharp increase in gun-related deaths among officers followed a dramatic dip in 2013, when the figure fell to levels not seen since the 19th century. This year’s uptick comes amid increased tension between police and the public following the high-profile deaths of unarmed black men by white police officers, including that of Eric Garner in New York and Mike Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
The states that saw the most officer deaths were California, at 14, Texas, at 11, and New York, at nine. Florida followed with six deaths, and Georgia had five, according to the report.
The 15 ambush assaults on police officers this year compares to just five in 2013, but matched 2012 for the highest total since 1995, the report said.
“With the increasing number of ambush-style attacks against our officers, I am deeply concerned that a growing anti-government sentiment in America is influencing weak-minded individuals to launch violent assaults against the men and women working to enforce our laws and keep our nation safe,” said Craig Floyd, chairman and CEO of the memorial fund.
“Enough is enough,” he said in a statement. “We need to tone down the rhetoric and rally in support of law enforcement and against lawlessness.”
Among the ambush assaults were the fatal attacks on two police officers in New York City on Dec. 20. Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were gunned down in their patrol car by Ismaaiyl Brinsley after Brinsley had made threatening posts online, including a vow to put “wings on pigs” and references to the Garner and Brown cases.
After shooting the officers, Brinsley ran into a subway station and killed himself. Police said he was troubled and had shot and wounded an ex-girlfriend in Baltimore earlier that day.
I'm against all if them by the way.
Extremism and propaganda by our media lead to this crap. I'm looking at you, Fox, Drudge, MSNBC, Blogoverse.
killedbypolice.netMore Than 1,000 People Have Been Killed by Police in 2014Reason
There are no frills to be found at www.killedbypolice.net. The site is just a simple spreadsheet. The information it contains, though, is invaluable. It is a list of every single person documented to have been killed by police in the United States in 2013 and 2014. There are links to a media report for every single death, as well as their names, ages, and when known, sex and race.
The site is so valuable because, as we’ve noted previously, there is no reliable national database for keeping track of the number of people killed by police each year. The FBI tracks homicides by law enforcement officers, but participation is voluntary, and many agencies don’t participate. As I noted last week, Eric Garner’s death at the hands of a New York Police Department won’t show up in the FBI’s statistics for 2014 because the state of New York does not participate in the program.
The FBI’s statistics for 2013 say that law enforcement officers killed 461 people that year. Killedbypolice.net apparently got its start last year. Using their system of monitoring by news report, they have calculated that police actually killed 748 people between May and December. That’s 287 more than the FBI reports for the whole year.
And for 2014, which still has a couple of weeks left, the site has reported 1,029 people have been killed by police. That’s about a 30 percent increase over last year, though with four-month gap at the start of 2013 (measuring 25 percent of the year), it's possible the numbers would be much closer if we had January through April. Even with the FBI’s broken numbers, we know that 2013 marked a two-decade high in killings by police.
Neither the site nor its Facebook page indicates who is responsible for compiling this information, and they’re protecting their identity by hosting the site through GoDaddy. We can’t talk to whoever is responsible for this database about how or why they started it and how much effort it is to keep track of this information. Here is a page for people to submit information to help improve the quality of the database.
they should fire all those cops. ridiculous.
Stay Classy vs. Stay Safe
Jesus, that's appalling.Stay Classy vs. Stay Safe
The percent of the drop off in arrests and tickets being so high is surprising, but the fact that there is a drop off is not surprising at all since the police essentially admitted days ago that they were switching protocol to emphasize officer safety.
A flurry of notices by police union leaders stopped short of urging members not to respond to calls for help, but prescribed steps for putting their own safety first, whether that created a deployment problem for commanders or not. The changes could reverse two decades of policing conceived by Mr. Bratton in his first stint as city police commissioner, and push the force into a reactive mode.
“Make sure officers are backing each other up at all radio runs,” wrote Lou Turco, president of the Lieutenant’s Benevolent Association. “Your main job is to ensure the safety of yourselves and your officers.” (NYT, December 21, 2014)
So they just don't do their jobs? Just ridiculous, but par for the course. As an NYC resident paying for these people's salaries, I expect more.Stay Classy vs. Stay Safe
The percent of the drop off in arrests and tickets being so high is surprising, but the fact that there is a drop off is not surprising at all since the police essentially admitted days ago that they were switching protocol to emphasize officer safety.
A flurry of notices by police union leaders stopped short of urging members not to respond to calls for help, but prescribed steps for putting their own safety first, whether that created a deployment problem for commanders or not. The changes could reverse two decades of policing conceived by Mr. Bratton in his first stint as city police commissioner, and push the force into a reactive mode.
“Make sure officers are backing each other up at all radio runs,” wrote Lou Turco, president of the Lieutenant’s Benevolent Association. “Your main job is to ensure the safety of yourselves and your officers.” (NYT, December 21, 2014)
2 Boston police officers attacked by teenagers
AP; December 30, 2014
BOSTON (AP) — Two Boston police officers were hospitalized after they were attacked by six teenagers related to a person they were arresting, authorities said Tuesday.
Boston Police Commissioner William Evans said the officers, a woman and a man, were "pretty banged up" in Monday's attack but recovering. Both were treated for undisclosed injuries and have been released from the hospital. Their names have not been made public.
Mayor Martin Walsh said he does not believe the assault has anything to do with rising national tensions over police conduct following the killings of unarmed men in Missouri and New York City. Evans agreed but added: "It's troubling to me that all this animosity is geared toward our department because we work our hardest every day to make sure the streets of Boston are as safe as possible."
Evans said the officers went to an apartment in the city's Roxbury neighborhood Monday morning to serve a warrant on a 19-year-old man for defaulting on court appearances. Seven people were arrested in all, including the person police were originally seeking. He was identified by the district attorney's office as Woobenson Morisset.
Morisset and 18-year-old Lorcen Morisset, who is accused of participating in the attack, were scheduled for arraignment Tuesday. It wasn't known if either one has a lawyer.
The other teens, a 17-year-old boy and girls ages 13, 14, 15, and 16, face assault and battery on a police officer, resisting arrest and other delinquency charges. In juvenile court Tuesday, a judge set bail at $500 for the 17-year-old and $1 for the younger teens, with that amount to be posted only by their parents. The next court date for all five teens, who live in Dorchester, is Feb. 12.
Police say Woobenson Morisset attacked the two officers when they confronted him in a rear stairwell.
The officers were about to handcuff Morisset when the other teens came to his aid and "kicked, punched, and choked" the officers. The officers used pepper spray to fight off the attackers until other officers arrived, but they never drew their guns.
Evans said he expected the officers would be out of work for some time. "It (the attack) stresses the dangers of our job everyday going into situations never knowing what will happen," he said.
Huh?Isnt this what you have been clamoring for tobias? Reduced arrests?
You arrogant, entitled son of a #####.Jesus, that's appalling.Stay Classy vs. Stay Safe
The percent of the drop off in arrests and tickets being so high is surprising, but the fact that there is a drop off is not surprising at all since the police essentially admitted days ago that they were switching protocol to emphasize officer safety.
A flurry of notices by police union leaders stopped short of urging members not to respond to calls for help, but prescribed steps for putting their own safety first, whether that created a deployment problem for commanders or not. The changes could reverse two decades of policing conceived by Mr. Bratton in his first stint as city police commissioner, and push the force into a reactive mode.
“Make sure officers are backing each other up at all radio runs,” wrote Lou Turco, president of the Lieutenant’s Benevolent Association. “Your main job is to ensure the safety of yourselves and your officers.” (NYT, December 21, 2014)
If you're unwilling to serve the public if it means putting yourself in danger, you have no business collecting a paycheck for law enforcement or being authorized by the state to use force. If that means we have to raise police pay in order to attract people who are brave and noble enough to do the job properly, great. I'd be happy to pay more taxes if it means having cops who actually do their jobs. Everyone else can do a great job of ensuring their own safety at home.
Interesting. Just how far should/could the NYPD dial it back before someone says something? Zero arrests/citations?You arrogant, entitled son of a #####.Jesus, that's appalling.Stay Classy vs. Stay Safe
The percent of the drop off in arrests and tickets being so high is surprising, but the fact that there is a drop off is not surprising at all since the police essentially admitted days ago that they were switching protocol to emphasize officer safety.
A flurry of notices by police union leaders stopped short of urging members not to respond to calls for help, but prescribed steps for putting their own safety first, whether that created a deployment problem for commanders or not. The changes could reverse two decades of policing conceived by Mr. Bratton in his first stint as city police commissioner, and push the force into a reactive mode.
“Make sure officers are backing each other up at all radio runs,” wrote Lou Turco, president of the Lieutenant’s Benevolent Association. “Your main job is to ensure the safety of yourselves and your officers.” (NYT, December 21, 2014)
If you're unwilling to serve the public if it means putting yourself in danger, you have no business collecting a paycheck for law enforcement or being authorized by the state to use force. If that means we have to raise police pay in order to attract people who are brave and noble enough to do the job properly, great. I'd be happy to pay more taxes if it means having cops who actually do their jobs. Everyone else can do a great job of ensuring their own safety at home.
"Die for me because I pay you to."
That an unfair and terrible paraphrase of what I wrote.You arrogant, entitled son of a #####.Jesus, that's appalling.Stay Classy vs. Stay Safe
The percent of the drop off in arrests and tickets being so high is surprising, but the fact that there is a drop off is not surprising at all since the police essentially admitted days ago that they were switching protocol to emphasize officer safety.
A flurry of notices by police union leaders stopped short of urging members not to respond to calls for help, but prescribed steps for putting their own safety first, whether that created a deployment problem for commanders or not. The changes could reverse two decades of policing conceived by Mr. Bratton in his first stint as city police commissioner, and push the force into a reactive mode.
“Make sure officers are backing each other up at all radio runs,” wrote Lou Turco, president of the Lieutenant’s Benevolent Association. “Your main job is to ensure the safety of yourselves and your officers.” (NYT, December 21, 2014)
If you're unwilling to serve the public if it means putting yourself in danger, you have no business collecting a paycheck for law enforcement or being authorized by the state to use force. If that means we have to raise police pay in order to attract people who are brave and noble enough to do the job properly, great. I'd be happy to pay more taxes if it means having cops who actually do their jobs. Everyone else can do a great job of ensuring their own safety at home.
"Die for me because I pay you to."
what actions are you talking about in this case?Yeah, having trouble faulting the police on this one. Actions have consequences.
Didn't you and I have a discussion along this very same line in the looting thread? Didn't you feel that cops basically take on the role of adversary to the people and that we all speed, let our plates expire, and drive in bike lanes so the cops shouldn't pull people over for that stuff? That city revenues were too dependent on these fines that were unfairly given to black people?Huh?Isnt this what you have been clamoring for tobias? Reduced arrests?
I'm thinking that you are being just a tad disingenuous here. If that is a false assumption, I apologize.Didn't you and I have a discussion along this very same line in the looting thread? Didn't you feel that cops basically take on the role of adversary to the people and that we all speed, let our plates expire, and drive in bike lanes so the cops shouldn't pull people over for that stuff? That city revenues were too dependent on these fines that were unfairly given to black people?Huh?Isnt this what you have been clamoring for tobias? Reduced arrests?
I admit I don't have a good notebook and I may just be jumping to conclusions because you do seem like the most likely candidate to present such an argument. If that is a false assumption I apologize.
Apology accepted.I'm thinking that you are being just a tad disingenuous here. If that is a false assumption, I apologize.Didn't you and I have a discussion along this very same line in the looting thread? Didn't you feel that cops basically take on the role of adversary to the people and that we all speed, let our plates expire, and drive in bike lanes so the cops shouldn't pull people over for that stuff? That city revenues were too dependent on these fines that were unfairly given to black people?Huh?Isnt this what you have been clamoring for tobias? Reduced arrests?
I admit I don't have a good notebook and I may just be jumping to conclusions because you do seem like the most likely candidate to present such an argument. If that is a false assumption I apologize.
Not buying it. You know that we're not talking about tickets for chewing gum in public and the like. We are talking about police responses to real- perhaps life and death- issues being compromised.Apology accepted.I'm thinking that you are being just a tad disingenuous here. If that is a false assumption, I apologize.Didn't you and I have a discussion along this very same line in the looting thread? Didn't you feel that cops basically take on the role of adversary to the people and that we all speed, let our plates expire, and drive in bike lanes so the cops shouldn't pull people over for that stuff? That city revenues were too dependent on these fines that were unfairly given to black people?Huh?Isnt this what you have been clamoring for tobias? Reduced arrests?
I admit I don't have a good notebook and I may just be jumping to conclusions because you do seem like the most likely candidate to present such an argument. If that is a false assumption I apologize.
Not buying what exactly? If you look at the %s that were released (which btw are an incredibly small snapshot) the minor citations that you mention are what are down the biggest %. Drug arrests were down 84% That is all that was released other than overall arrests being down 66%. Seems logical to conclude that the major arrests were down less significant %s.Not buying it. You know that we're not talking about tickets for chewing gum in public and the like. We are talking about police responses to real- perhaps life and death- issues being compromised.
Post quoted traffic stops and disorderly conduct citations both down 94%Not buying what exactly? If you look at the %s that were released (which btw are an incredibly small snapshot) the minor citations that you mention are what are down the biggest %. Drug arrests were down 84% That is all that was released other than overall arrests being down 66%. Seems logical to conclude that the major arrests were down less significant %s.Not buying it. You know that we're not talking about tickets for chewing gum in public and the like. We are talking about police responses to real- perhaps life and death- issues being compromised.
Tons of arrests stem from traffic stops too. Seems likely that this would lead to a huge reduction.Post quoted traffic stops and disorderly conduct citations both down 94%Not buying what exactly? If you look at the %s that were released (which btw are an incredibly small snapshot) the minor citations that you mention are what are down the biggest %. Drug arrests were down 84% That is all that was released other than overall arrests being down 66%. Seems logical to conclude that the major arrests were down less significant %s.Not buying it. You know that we're not talking about tickets for chewing gum in public and the like. We are talking about police responses to real- perhaps life and death- issues being compromised.
I think major crime wouldn't be ignored, but the broken windows approach is shelved for the moment.
I'd be fine with this approach if:Tons of arrests stem from traffic stops too. Seems likely that this would lead to a huge reduction.
Those that have argued that the police have been militarized and taken an adversarial role should be welcoming this new approach. It would be hypocritical to oppose it now, no?
Thanks for posting that. I found another article which provides some historical numbers to provide some perspective. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/12/30/Law-enforcement-deaths-up-24-percent-in-2014-in-US/7431419953675/Report: Gun Deaths Of Officers Jump 56 Percent
CBS; December 30, 2014
WASHINGTON — The number of law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the U.S. jumped by 56 percent this year and included 15 ambush assaults, according to a report released Tuesday.
The annual report by the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund found that 50 officers were killed by guns this year, compared to 32 in 2013.
In all, the report found that 126 federal, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty in 2014. That’s a 24 percent jump from last year’s 102 on-duty deaths. Shootings were the leading cause of officer deaths in 2014 followed by traffic-related fatalities, at 49.
The sharp increase in gun-related deaths among officers followed a dramatic dip in 2013, when the figure fell to levels not seen since the 19th century. This year’s uptick comes amid increased tension between police and the public following the high-profile deaths of unarmed black men by white police officers, including that of Eric Garner in New York and Mike Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
The states that saw the most officer deaths were California, at 14, Texas, at 11, and New York, at nine. Florida followed with six deaths, and Georgia had five, according to the report.
The 15 ambush assaults on police officers this year compares to just five in 2013, but matched 2012 for the highest total since 1995, the report said.
“With the increasing number of ambush-style attacks against our officers, I am deeply concerned that a growing anti-government sentiment in America is influencing weak-minded individuals to launch violent assaults against the men and women working to enforce our laws and keep our nation safe,” said Craig Floyd, chairman and CEO of the memorial fund.
“Enough is enough,” he said in a statement. “We need to tone down the rhetoric and rally in support of law enforcement and against lawlessness.”
Among the ambush assaults were the fatal attacks on two police officers in New York City on Dec. 20. Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were gunned down in their patrol car by Ismaaiyl Brinsley after Brinsley had made threatening posts online, including a vow to put “wings on pigs” and references to the Garner and Brown cases.
After shooting the officers, Brinsley ran into a subway station and killed himself. Police said he was troubled and had shot and wounded an ex-girlfriend in Baltimore earlier that day.
The number of U.S. law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty rose 24 percent in 2014 to 126, a report released Tuesday said.
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund in a preliminary report said that 50 of those officers died from gun shots, up 56 percent from the 32 firearms deaths in 2013. But the number was still below the average of 53 a year in the decade between 2000 and 2009 and below the 1970s, when an average of 127 police officers were fatally shot every year with firearms deaths peaking at 156 in 1973.
Thanks for posting that as well.killedbypolice.netMore Than 1,000 People Have Been Killed by Police in 2014Reason
There are no frills to be found at www.killedbypolice.net. The site is just a simple spreadsheet. The information it contains, though, is invaluable. It is a list of every single person documented to have been killed by police in the United States in 2013 and 2014. There are links to a media report for every single death, as well as their names, ages, and when known, sex and race.
The site is so valuable because, as we’ve noted previously, there is no reliable national database for keeping track of the number of people killed by police each year. The FBI tracks homicides by law enforcement officers, but participation is voluntary, and many agencies don’t participate. As I noted last week, Eric Garner’s death at the hands of a New York Police Department won’t show up in the FBI’s statistics for 2014 because the state of New York does not participate in the program.
The FBI’s statistics for 2013 say that law enforcement officers killed 461 people that year. Killedbypolice.net apparently got its start last year. Using their system of monitoring by news report, they have calculated that police actually killed 748 people between May and December. That’s 287 more than the FBI reports for the whole year.
And for 2014, which still has a couple of weeks left, the site has reported 1,029 people have been killed by police. That’s about a 30 percent increase over last year, though with four-month gap at the start of 2013 (measuring 25 percent of the year), it's possible the numbers would be much closer if we had January through April. Even with the FBI’s broken numbers, we know that 2013 marked a two-decade high in killings by police.
Neither the site nor its Facebook page indicates who is responsible for compiling this information, and they’re protecting their identity by hosting the site through GoDaddy. We can’t talk to whoever is responsible for this database about how or why they started it and how much effort it is to keep track of this information. Here is a page for people to submit information to help improve the quality of the database.
But the anti-police protestors were (ie the first funeral).Neither does the Westboro Church.The cops weren't protesting the funeral.Matt Binder @MattBinder ·
complete list of groups who stage protests at funerals:
- Westboro Baptist Church
- New York Police Department
What did this have to do with the two good police officers who were helping their community?So... refresh my memory.... what exactly doe these allegations have to do with the brutal assassination of two good police officers who were helping their community, which is what this thread is about?
Annnd I am going to ask a question that will be scoffed at but who cares because the truth is the truth right? This is the video posted above showing the whole context of the 'til the killer cops are in a jail cell' chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4tbMdoL6UI&feature=youtu.be
At ~1:28-1:34 there is a man in a red outfit and a red flag.
What does the red flag and his wearing of those colors signify? Anyone?
That had to do with the nature of the protests and whether the person who killed Liu and Ramos was typical of the general mass of proetstors. I believe we ultimately fairly concluded he was not, but that there were extremists on the outside of the protest who were of a like mindset.What did this have to do with the two good police officers who were helping their community?So... refresh my memory.... what exactly doe these allegations have to do with the brutal assassination of two good police officers who were helping their community, which is what this thread is about?
Annnd I am going to ask a question that will be scoffed at but who cares because the truth is the truth right? This is the video posted above showing the whole context of the 'til the killer cops are in a jail cell' chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4tbMdoL6UI&feature=youtu.be
At ~1:28-1:34 there is a man in a red outfit and a red flag.
What does the red flag and his wearing of those colors signify? Anyone?
What first funeral?But the anti-police protestors were (ie the first funeral).Neither does the Westboro Church.The cops weren't protesting the funeral.Matt Binder @MattBinder ·
complete list of groups who stage protests at funerals:
- Westboro Baptist Church
- New York Police Department
Since page one you've been using 2 dead police officers, who shouldn't be dead, as a platform to blast protestors you don't like. You've brought in numerous extraneous links to do so. Nobody stopped you.That had to do with the nature of the protests and whether the person who killed Liu and Ramos was typical of the general mass of proetstors. I believe we ultimately fairly concluded he was not, but that there were extremists on the outside of the protest who were of a like mindset.What did this have to do with the two good police officers who were helping their community?So... refresh my memory.... what exactly doe these allegations have to do with the brutal assassination of two good police officers who were helping their community, which is what this thread is about?
Annnd I am going to ask a question that will be scoffed at but who cares because the truth is the truth right? This is the video posted above showing the whole context of the 'til the killer cops are in a jail cell' chant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4tbMdoL6UI&feature=youtu.be
At ~1:28-1:34 there is a man in a red outfit and a red flag.
What does the red flag and his wearing of those colors signify? Anyone?
What's the point here then? That the protestors have a point? Yes, we know that but it has no relationship to the man who killed Ramos and Liu. Does it?
What first funeral?But the anti-police protestors were (ie the first funeral).Neither does the Westboro Church.The cops weren't protesting the funeral.Matt Binder @MattBinder ·
complete list of groups who stage protests at funerals:
- Westboro Baptist Church
- New York Police Department
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sick-cheers-for-cop-killer-in-brooklyn.htmlBut the scene outside Woodhull Hospital wasn't entirely supportive. "You're a bunch of killers," a passerby told cops standing sentry there, according to one police source. And short distance from the crime scene—where a crowd was backed up by the police tape—a few members of the crowd repeated "f___ the cops" within earshot of a Daily Beast reporter.
One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didn’t hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria aftewards and walked to the police tape.
“A lot of people were clapping and laughing,” he said.
“Some were saying, ‘They deserved it,’ and another was shouting at the cops, ‘Serves them right because you mistreat people!’” he said.
Where is the first funeral protests you referred to? Still waiting.What first funeral?But the anti-police protestors were (ie the first funeral).Neither does the Westboro Church.The cops weren't protesting the funeral.Matt Binder @MattBinder ·
complete list of groups who stage protests at funerals:
- Westboro Baptist Church
- New York Police Departmenthttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sick-cheers-for-cop-killer-in-brooklyn.htmlBut the scene outside Woodhull Hospital wasn't entirely supportive. "You're a bunch of killers," a passerby told cops standing sentry there, according to one police source. And short distance from the crime scenewhere a crowd was backed up by the police tapea few members of the crowd repeated "f___ the cops" within earshot of a Daily Beast reporter.
One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didnt hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria aftewards and walked to the police tape.
A lot of people were clapping and laughing, he said.
Some were saying, They deserved it, and another was shouting at the cops, Serves them right because you mistreat people! he said.
There is that, as an example.
But I was thinking I recalled a post here about protestors chanting anti-cop slogans at a reporter outside the Ramos funeral. No, no link for that right now.
Ok this is it.squistion said:Where is the first funeral protests you referred to? Still waiting.SaintsInDome2006 said:squistion said:What first funeral?SaintsInDome2006 said:But the anti-police protestors were (ie the first funeral).Neither does the Westboro Church.The cops weren't protesting the funeral.Matt Binder @MattBinder ·
complete list of groups who stage protests at funerals:
- Westboro Baptist Church
- New York Police Departmenthttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sick-cheers-for-cop-killer-in-brooklyn.htmlBut the scene outside Woodhull Hospital wasn't entirely supportive. "You're a bunch of killers," a passerby told cops standing sentry there, according to one police source. And short distance from the crime scenewhere a crowd was backed up by the police tapea few members of the crowd repeated "f___ the cops" within earshot of a Daily Beast reporter.
One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didnt hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria aftewards and walked to the police tape.
A lot of people were clapping and laughing, he said.
Some were saying, They deserved it, and another was shouting at the cops, Serves them right because you mistreat people! he said.
There is that, as an example.
But I was thinking I recalled a post here about protestors chanting anti-cop slogans at a reporter outside the Ramos funeral. No, no link for that right now.
So that's there was anti-police rhetoric at the crime scene, at the hospital where they died, and at the memorial... but not at a funeral.A CNN correspondent at the makeshift memorial to slain NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos reported seeing a small group of protesters heckling police officers who were there to pay their respects.
You really should be ashamed of yourself.Ok this is it.squistion said:Where is the first funeral protests you referred to? Still waiting.SaintsInDome2006 said:squistion said:What first funeral?SaintsInDome2006 said:But the anti-police protestors were (ie the first funeral).Neither does the Westboro Church.The cops weren't protesting the funeral.Matt Binder @MattBinder ·
complete list of groups who stage protests at funerals:
- Westboro Baptist Church
- New York Police Departmenthttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/20/sick-cheers-for-cop-killer-in-brooklyn.htmlBut the scene outside Woodhull Hospital wasn't entirely supportive. "You're a bunch of killers," a passerby told cops standing sentry there, according to one police source. And short distance from the crime scenewhere a crowd was backed up by the police tapea few members of the crowd repeated "f___ the cops" within earshot of a Daily Beast reporter.
One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didnt hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria aftewards and walked to the police tape.
A lot of people were clapping and laughing, he said.
Some were saying, They deserved it, and another was shouting at the cops, Serves them right because you mistreat people! he said.
There is that, as an example.
But I was thinking I recalled a post here about protestors chanting anti-cop slogans at a reporter outside the Ramos funeral. No, no link for that right now.
Which links to this.
So that's there was anti-police rhetoric at the crime, scene, at the hospital where they died, and at the memorial... but not at a funeral. You were right, that's so much better!A CNN correspondent at the makeshift memorial to slain NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos reported seeing a small group of protesters heckling police officers who were there to pay their respects.
Ok fine I deleted the last part, I apologize for being cavalier about a serious subject. But that's what I was referring to, working off recollection.You really should be ashamed of yourself.
Wonder if you or I could get away with throwing someone down on the ground for dancing?It appears to be...Oh come on. He's lucky someone didn't punch him in the face. That is purposely trying to antagonize.And some people are still wondering why the public is losing trust in the police department. link
dancing...
This was not the argument.Didn't you and I have a discussion along this very same line in the looting thread? Didn't you feel that cops basically take on the role of adversary to the people and that we all speed, let our plates expire, and drive in bike lanes so the cops shouldn't pull people over for that stuff? That city revenues were too dependent on these fines that were unfairly given to black people?Huh?Isnt this what you have been clamoring for tobias? Reduced arrests?
I admit I don't have a good notebook and I may just be jumping to conclusions because you do seem like the most likely candidate to present such an argument. If that is a false assumption I apologize.
The full videoIt appears to be...Oh come on. He's lucky someone didn't punch him in the face. That is purposely trying to antagonize.And some people are still wondering why the public is losing trust in the police department. link
dancing...