I would mind Childress Hell, Id be fine firing McCarthy right now and hiring Gruden.I don't mind Childress, but fire him now and pick up Gruden!!!!
Shanahan to Tampa Bay?I've been a big Gruden guy, but that was a pretty inexcusable collapse. I'm sure the Glazers saw Arizona and Philly in the NFCCG and decided that was it.That said, I'm shocked. They must have something in place.
Allen, Gruden Dismissed
Jan 16, 2009 -
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers today announced that they have dismissed head coach Jon Gruden and General Manager Bruce Allen.
“We will be forever grateful to Jon for bringing us the Super Bowl title, and we thank Bruce for his contributions to our franchise,” said Buccaneers Co-Chairman Joel Glazer. “However after careful consideration, we feel that this decision is in the best interest of our organization moving forward.”
That has to be what it is. You don't fire a guy unless you got a better guy lined up.Shanahan to Tampa Bay?I've been a big Gruden guy, but that was a pretty inexcusable collapse. I'm sure the Glazers saw Arizona and Philly in the NFCCG and decided that was it.That said, I'm shocked. They must have something in place.
Then why did they fire Gruden possibly for Shanny?That has to be what it is. You don't fire a guy unless you got a better guy lined up.Shanahan to Tampa Bay?I've been a big Gruden guy, but that was a pretty inexcusable collapse. I'm sure the Glazers saw Arizona and Philly in the NFCCG and decided that was it.
That said, I'm shocked. They must have something in place.
I'm not sure Shanny is better.Cowher.. you have my attention. Shanny....lateral move IMOThat has to be what it is. You don't fire a guy unless you got a better guy lined up.Shanahan to Tampa Bay?I've been a big Gruden guy, but that was a pretty inexcusable collapse. I'm sure the Glazers saw Arizona and Philly in the NFCCG and decided that was it.That said, I'm shocked. They must have something in place.
They fired Gruden because his team collapsed, even though he won them a Superbowl. And they are going to hire Shanahan who was fired because his team collapsed, even though he won them a Superbowl?Then why did they fire Gruden possibly for Shanny?That has to be what it is. You don't fire a guy unless you got a better guy lined up.Shanahan to Tampa Bay?I've been a big Gruden guy, but that was a pretty inexcusable collapse. I'm sure the Glazers saw Arizona and Philly in the NFCCG and decided that was it.
That said, I'm shocked. They must have something in place.
Or it could be Raheem Morris. The Glazers knew they were losing him next year, if not before, and maybe decided it was in the best interests of the franchise just to cut bait now so they don't lose a young guy like Tomlin or Wisenhunt (sp?). I'm assuming it will be either Shanny or Morris.If they have someone lined up, he better be a minority else they run afoul of the Rooney Rule.
I'm not sure I pin it on Gruden. The D rolled over and died the minute Monty said he was Rocky Top bound.The D gave up 38,13,41,31 over the last 4 weeks.The O was stil putting up respectable numbers which were enough to win football games.I've been a big Gruden guy, but that was a pretty inexcusable collapse. I'm sure the Glazers saw Arizona and Philly in the NFCCG and decided that was it.That said, I'm shocked. They must have something in place.
Buccaneers.com
Allen, Gruden Dismissed
Jan 16, 2009 -
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers today announced that they have dismissed head coach Jon Gruden and General Manager Bruce Allen.
“We will be forever grateful to Jon Tony Dungy for bringing us the Super Bowl title, and we thank Bruce for his contributions to our franchise,” said Buccaneers Co-Chairman Joel Glazer. “However after careful consideration, we feel that this decision is in the best interest of our organization moving forward.”
Ah. His name has been thrown out a lot hasn't it? Good call.Or it could be Raheem Morris. The Glazers knew they were losing him next year, if not before, and maybe decided it was in the best interests of the franchise just to cut bait now so they don't lose a young guy like Tomlin or Wisenhunt (sp?). I'm assuming it will be either Shanny or Morris.If they have someone lined up, he better be a minority else they run afoul of the Rooney Rule.
Yeah, there's no way they give a couple of token interviews to minorities, then hand the job to the guy they have lined up.If they have someone lined up, he better be a minority else they run afoul of the Rooney Rule.Leslie Frazier? He does run a version of the Tampa 2 here in Minnesota.
I hate this stupid, braindead argument, but you may want to go check those playoff scores for the two years before that before you go shouting off about that topic. Dungy's teams were butchered in back to back years by the Eagles, while Gruden took them up there and won the NFCCG in that yard.But thanks for showing off your GED.Buccaneers.com
Allen, Gruden Dismissed
Jan 16, 2009 -
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers today announced that they have dismissed head coach Jon Gruden and General Manager Bruce Allen.
“We will be forever grateful to Jon Tony Dungy for bringing us the Super Bowl title, and we thank Bruce for his contributions to our franchise,” said Buccaneers Co-Chairman Joel Glazer. “However after careful consideration, we feel that this decision is in the best interest of our organization moving forward.”
The Glazers must be used to seeing success every year now that they own Man United.If this is true, it doesn't make any sense, why fire a good (dare I say great) coach? This makes zero sense.
Are we at the point now if you don't make it to the Super Bowl at least every 5 years you just fire the coach?
If the Chiefs are smart, fire Herm NOW and go get Gruden NOW.
Yeah, though I'm fairly happy with the Schwartz hiring in Detroit, I would have LOVED to see Gruden there (not that he would probably accept that offer).He won't be out of work long.
As OC under Shanahan?This late in the game, you assume TB has a plan...right?How about Gruden back to OAK?
this is exactly how i am..i have always loved gruden..still hoping for that .01% chance he will be our OCYeah, though I'm fairly happy with the Schwartz hiring in Detroit, I would have LOVED to see Gruden there (not that he would probably accept that offer).He won't be out of work long.
If TB was Dungy's team, the team they beat in the superbowl [Oakland] was Gruden's team. Either way Gruden gets credit for getting a team to the SB. Given the horribleness of the Raiders since Gruden's been gone, he is much beloved among us Raider fans.Someone wanna tell me why Gruden is so great? He won a SB with Dungy's team...he finished what Dungy couldnt do but that team was ready...He has won ZERO playoff games since the SB even though they have hosted a few...and they hadnt had back to back winning season with him since he got to Tampa until this year and last...I dont see the greatness...do I think he is good, yes, do I think he is so great as to not be fired, no way...
I actually will give him credit for getting Oakland there...still, he has done NOTHING the last 5 years...If TB was Dungy's team, the team they beat in the superbowl [Oakland] was Gruden's team. Either way Gruden gets credit for getting a team to the SB. Given the horribleness of the Raiders since Gruden's been gone, he is much beloved among us Raider fans.Someone wanna tell me why Gruden is so great? He won a SB with Dungy's team...he finished what Dungy couldnt do but that team was ready...He has won ZERO playoff games since the SB even though they have hosted a few...and they hadnt had back to back winning season with him since he got to Tampa until this year and last...I dont see the greatness...do I think he is good, yes, do I think he is so great as to not be fired, no way...
They could also let Herm finish the last year of the contract and target a new coach next year, when Cowher or the like is available. I think its takes more than 1 year to turn that franchise around.If this is true, it doesn't make any sense, why fire a good (dare I say great) coach? This makes zero sense. Are we at the point now if you don't make it to the Super Bowl at least every 5 years you just fire the coach? If the Chiefs are smart, fire Herm NOW and go get Gruden NOW.
This HAS to be it. Shanny is not an improvement, he's had teams fall apart on him over and over again. I watched this team fall apart just like everyone else, but I still didn't expect this. Especially after losing Kiffin. And getting rid of Allen? 2009 might be an ugly year.Capella said:Or it could be Raheem Morris. The Glazers knew they were losing him next year, if not before, and maybe decided it was in the best interests of the franchise just to cut bait now so they don't lose a young guy like Tomlin or Wisenhunt (sp?). I'm assuming it will be either Shanny or Morris.Andy Dufresne said:If they have someone lined up, he better be a minority else they run afoul of the Rooney Rule.
He should have gone to the SB with the raiders. Then his team did go to the SB, which he destroyed. He won a SB. Clearly he should be a coach not a GM imho. But he's done a lot more in his young career then most coaches in the NFL.vikingdave said:Someone wanna tell me why Gruden is so great? He won a SB with Dungy's team...he finished what Dungy couldnt do but that team was ready...He has won ZERO playoff games since the SB even though they have hosted a few...and they hadnt had back to back winning season with him since he got to Tampa until this year and last...I dont see the greatness...do I think he is good, yes, do I think he is so great as to not be fired, no way...
I'd listen to him. When it comes to having no playoff succcess over the past several seasons Vikings Fans definitely know of where they speak.vikingdave said:I actually will give him credit for getting Oakland there...still, he has done NOTHING the last 5 years...Delusions Of Adequacy said:If TB was Dungy's team, the team they beat in the superbowl [Oakland] was Gruden's team. Either way Gruden gets credit for getting a team to the SB. Given the horribleness of the Raiders since Gruden's been gone, he is much beloved among us Raider fans.vikingdave said:Someone wanna tell me why Gruden is so great? He won a SB with Dungy's team...he finished what Dungy couldnt do but that team was ready...He has won ZERO playoff games since the SB even though they have hosted a few...and they hadnt had back to back winning season with him since he got to Tampa until this year and last...I dont see the greatness...do I think he is good, yes, do I think he is so great as to not be fired, no way...