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Not sure if the signing of Bibbs was purely for depth. He was just on the radio and said the Bills had offered him a contract and Denver matched instead of losing him.
Not sure if the signing of Bibbs was purely for depth. He was just on the radio and said the Bills had offered him a contract and Denver matched instead of losing him.
I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
Well, it could have been the world's worst timing for Ball, true... but Hillman (SO FAR) has seized the moment. Watching the two together,although briefly, reminding me of Richardson/Bradshaw 2013. There were never any holes for T-Rich either... then they magically opened up when Bradshaw came in.I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
Ball will be the GL back and Hillman earned some reps, Ball is still going to get a good bit of carries.Well, it could have been the world's worst timing for Ball, true... but Hillman (SO FAR) has seized the moment. Watching the two together,although briefly, reminding me of Richardson/Bradshaw 2013. There were never any holes for T-Rich either... then they magically opened up when Bradshaw came in.I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
Groin injury, tough to get that explosiveness back... I wonder now if it was bothering him all along this season. He looked slow out of the gate starting in week 1.Ball will be the GL back and Hillman earned some reps, Ball is still going to get a good bit of carries.Well, it could have been the world's worst timing for Ball, true... but Hillman (SO FAR) has seized the moment. Watching the two together,although briefly, reminding me of Richardson/Bradshaw 2013. There were never any holes for T-Rich either... then they magically opened up when Bradshaw came in.I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
Players heal well with the technology and medical science teams have access too.Groin injury, tough to get that explosiveness back... I wonder now if it was bothering him all along this season. He looked slow out of the gate starting in week 1.Ball will be the GL back and Hillman earned some reps, Ball is still going to get a good bit of carries.Well, it could have been the world's worst timing for Ball, true... but Hillman (SO FAR) has seized the moment. Watching the two together,although briefly, reminding me of Richardson/Bradshaw 2013. There were never any holes for T-Rich either... then they magically opened up when Bradshaw came in.I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
Technology helps the body everyday thanks in part because of how smart some doctors are. Why do players use Hyperbaric chambers? Surgeries which are made possible by technology? Technology allows stem cell treatments and so on.Technology can't heal the body. I don't care how smart your doctors are.
That's interesting. Kind of erases any "Give the CSU kid a shot... it's good PR" thoughts.Not sure if the signing of Bibbs was purely for depth. He was just on the radio and said the Bills had offered him a contract and Denver matched instead of losing him.
why on earth would the hillman owner do that? I own ball and im gonna offer him up to the hillman owner for keenan allen. His value is almost nil.Trying to trade ball and decker for maclin to the hillman owner. Im getting off this train
Totally this.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
That sounds like a convenient excuse for Ball. Hillman may just be better at finding and exploding through the existing holes.I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
He also had the appendix surgery before the season and didn't seem to recover too quickly.Players heal well with the technology and medical science teams have access too.Groin injury, tough to get that explosiveness back... I wonder now if it was bothering him all along this season. He looked slow out of the gate starting in week 1.Ball will be the GL back and Hillman earned some reps, Ball is still going to get a good bit of carries.Well, it could have been the world's worst timing for Ball, true... but Hillman (SO FAR) has seized the moment. Watching the two together,although briefly, reminding me of Richardson/Bradshaw 2013. There were never any holes for T-Rich either... then they magically opened up when Bradshaw came in.I wonder what Ball would have did with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I cut him loose. Team looks so much more dangerous with Hillman at RB. Hard to see Ball getting his starting gig back unless the fumbles start showing up for Hillman.
You're reaching.Technology helps the body everyday thanks in part because of how smart some doctors are. Why do players use Hyperbaric chambers? Surgeries which are made possible by technology? Technology allows stem cell treatments and so on.Technology can't heal the body. I don't care how smart your doctors are.
Agreed, Moreno looked like a lost cause too.Ilov80s said:I'm hanging on to Ball and I'm not really sure why. Might as well see where it goes.
I don't like being right cause a guy got hurt, but Ball had bust written all over him. The Broncos running game simply looks a lot better without him.Agreed. Maybe, as a Broncos fan, I am just jaded by several fumbles he had last year in bad spots, but when I watch him play, he is just another RB. Obviously, he is in a great situation, and if he plays a lot, he should be productive, but I wouldn't be surprised if he busts this year. I'm just not sold on him at his current ADP.
So Ball had bust written all over him? What did Hillman have written all over him until he busted loose recently? I said it before, I wonder what a talent like Ball would have done with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I don't like being right cause a guy got hurt, but Ball had bust written all over him. The Broncos running game simply looks a lot better without him.Agreed. Maybe, as a Broncos fan, I am just jaded by several fumbles he had last year in bad spots, but when I watch him play, he is just another RB. Obviously, he is in a great situation, and if he plays a lot, he should be productive, but I wouldn't be surprised if he busts this year. I'm just not sold on him at his current ADP.
Hillman has made a few nice runs, but take away the 37 yard TD, and he was 13-37, less than 3 yards a carry. Granted, he looks better than Ball, and Ball is not capable of that 37-yard run, but aside form a couple of good runs, Hillman's not tearing it up either. I'm still intrigued by Thompson, who's looked good between the tackles in limited action.So Ball had bust written all over him? What did Hillman have written all over him until he busted loose recently? I said it before, I wonder what a talent like Ball would have done with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I don't like being right cause a guy got hurt, but Ball had bust written all over him. The Broncos running game simply looks a lot better without him.Agreed. Maybe, as a Broncos fan, I am just jaded by several fumbles he had last year in bad spots, but when I watch him play, he is just another RB. Obviously, he is in a great situation, and if he plays a lot, he should be productive, but I wouldn't be surprised if he busts this year. I'm just not sold on him at his current ADP.
49ers defense without Bowman & Willis is not n.1, 5 or 8 against the run.Ah, the ole "take away his best play" game. Gimme a break. Hillman is averaged 4.7 YPC the last three games on 53 carries against the number 1, 5 and 8 defenses against the run. Not sure that constitutes "tearing it up," but as a Broncos fan, I'll take it.
Ball went 119/560/4 (4.6 ypc) and 20/145, so if that type of running in an offense led by Manning doesn't warrant his ADP, what does?I never said he sucked; I said he was a) nothing special, and b) had bust written all over him this year considering his ADP. I said in multiple threads this past summer that Ball was very high on my AVOID list.
Averaging under 3 YPC against Indy is doing well?
They were blowing Indy out early, too, and maybe it would have stayed that way had they had a lead RB then who was capable of grinding the clock with 1st downs (see: not Monte Ball).
Again, I am a Broncos fan, so the last thing I want is for him to fail when he is in there, but he just looks like a stiff to me. He is only gonna get you what the line gives him.
The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
My wife left the hospital 5 hours after her appendectomy - went to a show and got drinks with friends that very night.Chaka said:He also had the appendix surgery before the season and didn't seem to recover too quickly.
Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Do it. Drop him, join us. We will frolic in the Elysian fields of the Waver Wire forever more. Join us, NREC, join us.I want to see what happens Thursday with Hillman. Maybe dropping this guy is the correct move.
Did she also have to run through five 300 pound and about six 225 pound men while they were trying to chase her and tackle her at full speed over and over about 20 times that night with a little kick to the abdomen for giggles after they got off her after chasing her and tackling her?My wife left the hospital 5 hours after her appendectomy - went to a show and got drinks with friends that very night.Chaka said:He also had the appendix surgery before the season and didn't seem to recover too quickly.
I dropped Ball in my redraft league without a second thought.
Not to downplay Hillman, but it is ironic that Hillman's biggest run was where he actually misread his blocks on a play that was designed to go right. So really, if Hillman had ran correctly, he too may have only gotten 8-10 yds. I'm not trying to defend Ball's inefficiency, but it is a little funny that Hillman got rewarded by running the wrong direction.We can wonder all day, but it is what it is. That TD Hillman broke off the other day (the 37-yarder or whatever) is a play Ball probably would have gotten 8-10 yards cause of how big the hole was, and then because of his lack of burst and wiggle, would have gotten tackled by someone. I was never a big Hillman fan, but he is showing a burst that the running game needs. It sure beats Ball plodding ahead for 3 yards every time.
Huh? I would tend to look at that as a player seeing a bigger hole was open somewhere else and made a big play out of it; not every play is gonna go exactly by design. Perhaps Hillman just had an instinct that resulted in a big play. It's been known to happen.Not to downplay Hillman, but it is ironic that Hillman's biggest run was where he actually misread his blocks on a play that was designed to go right. So really, if Hillman had ran correctly, he too may have only gotten 8-10 yds. I'm not trying to defend Ball's inefficiency, but it is a little funny that Hillman got rewarded by running the wrong direction.We can wonder all day, but it is what it is. That TD Hillman broke off the other day (the 37-yarder or whatever) is a play Ball probably would have gotten 8-10 yards cause of how big the hole was, and then because of his lack of burst and wiggle, would have gotten tackled by someone. I was never a big Hillman fan, but he is showing a burst that the running game needs. It sure beats Ball plodding ahead for 3 yards every time.
Again, don't have to be a great RB in this offense to have great results.Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Hillman wasn't exactly lights out against San Fran or Arizona.
I won't say Ball is better, but Hillman isn't showing himself to be a great RB either.
As someone who every day works with patients with injuries and surgeries, I will say that technology definitely helps improve healing time.Chaka said:You're reaching.Technology helps the body everyday thanks in part because of how smart some doctors are. Why do players use Hyperbaric chambers? Surgeries which are made possible by technology? Technology allows stem cell treatments and so on.Technology can't heal the body. I don't care how smart your doctors are.
Great analogy! How many 320 lb DTs did she get hit by at the show?My wife left the hospital 5 hours after her appendectomy - went to a show and got drinks with friends that very night.Chaka said:He also had the appendix surgery before the season and didn't seem to recover too quickly.
I dropped Ball in my redraft league without a second thought.
Ha! I love the couch potatoe or former hs athlete that thinks they are someone with knowledge about recovery time or healing time because they had an injury a long time ago, the "same" surgery or they know someone who also had that. When they cut your core open (doesn't matter how small the incision) to remove something, and your job is to be as fit and strong as you can. And most of your strength is lost in a weak core, you're probably going to take a longer time to recover than Mrs. Daisey who was able to go out for margaritas the next night with her girlfriends. Just my professional opinion, that I get paid daily forDid she also have to run through five 300 pound and about six 225 pound men while they were trying to chase her and tackle her at full speed over and over about 20 times that night with a little kick to the abdomen for giggles after they got off her after chasing her and tackling her?My wife left the hospital 5 hours after her appendectomy - went to a show and got drinks with friends that very night.Chaka said:He also had the appendix surgery before the season and didn't seem to recover too quickly.
I dropped Ball in my redraft league without a second thought.
If so get a police report.
I am not sure I buy the premise that there are suddenly more/better holes along the Denver line. It is very possible that there are the same number but Hillman is just quicker at identifying them and/or getting to them.So Ball had bust written all over him? What did Hillman have written all over him until he busted loose recently? I said it before, I wonder what a talent like Ball would have done with the holes Hillman is all of a sudden getting.I don't like being right cause a guy got hurt, but Ball had bust written all over him. The Broncos running game simply looks a lot better without him.Agreed. Maybe, as a Broncos fan, I am just jaded by several fumbles he had last year in bad spots, but when I watch him play, he is just another RB. Obviously, he is in a great situation, and if he plays a lot, he should be productive, but I wouldn't be surprised if he busts this year. I'm just not sold on him at his current ADP.
We see what we want to see. I have been a Ball supporter , and owner, since day one but objectively Hillman looks better and it seems pretty easy to blame it on external factors but both Ball and Hillman are playing with the same 10 guys around them and against objectively equivalent teams (Colts, Chiefs, Seahawks does not look tougher then Cardinals, Jets, Niners) and Hillman has looked better by a pretty wide margin.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
would you say Hillman has had great results?Again, don't have to be a great RB in this offense to have great results.Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Hillman wasn't exactly lights out against San Fran or Arizona.
I won't say Ball is better, but Hillman isn't showing himself to be a great RB either.
100+ total yards in two games and 2 TDs in one of them, yes.would you say Hillman has had great results?Again, don't have to be a great RB in this offense to have great results.Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Hillman wasn't exactly lights out against San Fran or Arizona.
I won't say Ball is better, but Hillman isn't showing himself to be a great RB either.
Agreed. Certainly better then Ball's results by a wide margin.100+ total yards in two games and 2 TDs in one of them, yes.would you say Hillman has had great results?Again, don't have to be a great RB in this offense to have great results.Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Hillman wasn't exactly lights out against San Fran or Arizona.
I won't say Ball is better, but Hillman isn't showing himself to be a great RB either.
Circumstance obviously doesnt matter to some.Agreed. Certainly better then Ball's results by a wide margin.100+ total yards in two games and 2 TDs in one of them, yes.would you say Hillman has had great results?Again, don't have to be a great RB in this offense to have great results.Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Hillman wasn't exactly lights out against San Fran or Arizona.
I won't say Ball is better, but Hillman isn't showing himself to be a great RB either.
You are making excuses. They have been in virtually identical circumstances against virtually identical competition. Each had two home games and one road game and they have 64 and 63 touches respectively. Hillman has been objectively better.Circumstance obviously doesnt matter to some.Agreed. Certainly better then Ball's results by a wide margin.100+ total yards in two games and 2 TDs in one of them, yes.would you say Hillman has had great results?Again, don't have to be a great RB in this offense to have great results.Denver didn't blow out the Jets and Hillman netted exactly 100 yards on the ground. That's against a bottom 5 defense.The reason Denver is running more is that they now have a better running back. You look at the burst Hillman has vs Ball and it's easy to see the improvement in the running game. I don't think Ball sucks, he just not the best running back on the roster. Good running game opens up the passing game more which equals more blowouts. It's not that hard.This Ball bashing is funny. Wasnt trying to avoid the pun.
Ball played Week 1 and did well against a good Indy D. with 23/67/1 and 2/16
Week 2 played KC and went 12/60 and 3/29
Week 3 they lost to Seattle in Seattle and had a bad game.
Week 4 BYE
Week 5 Hurt early.
Glad everyone is really keeping the perspective here, especially in the last few games Denver are blowing out teams and running more then they did earlier in the year. This type of stuff people notice is why some owners get the jump on others. The bad fantasy owners only see the end result, while the good ones see the reason for it.
Easy for some to say Ball sucks, but when you put it in perspective, well.
Hillman wasn't exactly lights out against San Fran or Arizona.
I won't say Ball is better, but Hillman isn't showing himself to be a great RB either.