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A Smith lost out to Von Miller for DROY
:thumbdown: Didn't Von Miller miss some time due to injury? Aldon's feat was way more impressive... all those sacks while only playing on "passing downs".
Take away Justin Smith and get back to your myopia.
huh?
Without Justin Smith, Aldon wouldn't have as much an impact on 3rd down passing situations. That's why Aldon was effective on "situational downs". Von Miller also had more tackles than Aldon. Take away the overall performance of the d-line and Justin Smith, then you have Patrick Willis' name called every play. With Aldon having less sacks.
I had a feeling this was what you were getting at, just wanted to be clear...I'm not a big fan of "well if you take away this, then that" arguments. Are you saying that any rookie could have replicated Aldon's performance b/c of Justin Smith? :no:

Don't get me wrong... Von Miller is a beast, and of course I'm being biased, but I still think what Aldon did was more impressive.
Andre Carter had 12.5 sacks in his second year, doubling his rookie season. Guess who was on the D-Line then? You're dismissing Miller for being benched for a half, and thinking a situational player who is a rookie with one of the Top 2 defensive front sevens in the League (which a lot of Aldon's sacks were compiled of favorable 3rd down and other passing situations against a lot of scrub QBs to add) is more impressive because of a sack total, whereas Miller as a rook had one of the most important stats well over Aldon: tackles, and against the run at that. Miller had to fill and learn be a motor. Aldon was the extra gear of Justin Smith's and the other Vet's engine. Nice to have that extra gear when you need it, against the NFCW too.
Your argument that playing in the NFC West & against scrub QB's helped Smith, couldn't be more off. He averaged more sacks against pro bowl type QB's than against scrubs. He also averaged more sacks against the rest of his schedule than against the NFC West. Carry on with your anti-49er bias.
6 of those sacks were against the NFCW. Show me a Pro Bowler QB out of that division. He had 2.5 against PIT with a gimpy Roth. If you think Freeman and McCoy were PB level this season, then you are dumber than I give you credit for. BTW, Miller had 51 tackles to Aldon's 31, and just 3 sacks less starting. I guess the numbers are Anti 49er. That's why I'm Anti Ninerfan like who you represent. Not very bright, but now even more myopic than the fellow Bay Area AFCW football fan.

 
A Smith lost out to Von Miller for DROY
:thumbdown: Didn't Von Miller miss some time due to injury? Aldon's feat was way more impressive... all those sacks while only playing on "passing downs".
Take away Justin Smith and get back to your myopia.
huh?
Without Justin Smith, Aldon wouldn't have as much an impact on 3rd down passing situations. That's why Aldon was effective on "situational downs". Von Miller also had more tackles than Aldon. Take away the overall performance of the d-line and Justin Smith, then you have Patrick Willis' name called every play. With Aldon having less sacks.
I had a feeling this was what you were getting at, just wanted to be clear...I'm not a big fan of "well if you take away this, then that" arguments. Are you saying that any rookie could have replicated Aldon's performance b/c of Justin Smith? :no:

Don't get me wrong... Von Miller is a beast, and of course I'm being biased, but I still think what Aldon did was more impressive.
Andre Carter had 12.5 sacks in his second year, doubling his rookie season. Guess who was on the D-Line then? You're dismissing Miller for being benched for a half, and thinking a situational player who is a rookie with one of the Top 2 defensive front sevens in the League (which a lot of Aldon's sacks were compiled of favorable 3rd down and other passing situations against a lot of scrub QBs to add) is more impressive because of a sack total, whereas Miller as a rook had one of the most important stats well over Aldon: tackles, and against the run at that. Miller had to fill and learn be a motor. Aldon was the extra gear of Justin Smith's and the other Vet's engine. Nice to have that extra gear when you need it, against the NFCW too.
Your argument that playing in the NFC West & against scrub QB's helped Smith, couldn't be more off. He averaged more sacks against pro bowl type QB's than against scrubs. He also averaged more sacks against the rest of his schedule than against the NFC West. Carry on with your anti-49er bias.
6 of those sacks were against the NFCW. Show me a Pro Bowler QB out of that division. He had 2.5 against PIT with a gimpy Roth. If you think Freeman and McCoy were PB level this season, then you are dumber than I give you credit for. BTW, Miller had 51 tackles to Aldon's 31, and just 3 sacks less starting. I guess the numbers are Anti 49er. That's why I'm Anti Ninerfan like who you represent. Not very bright, but now even more myopic than the fellow Bay Area AFCW football fan.
Wrong again. He had 5 sacks against the NFCW & 9 against the rest of the schedule. As I said, his sack average was higher against the rest of the schedule. He also had 6 sacks in 4 games against Vick, Stafford, Manning & Roethlisberger, again, a higher average than against the NFCW. Roethlisbergers condition doesn't change the fact that he was a Pro Bowl type QB. I don't have a problem with Miller winning the award, the problem is when you just make stuff up to support your argument, which you do regularly.
 
'mcd said:
A Smith lost out to Von Miller for DROY
:thumbdown: Didn't Von Miller miss some time due to injury? Aldon's feat was way more impressive... all those sacks while only playing on "passing downs".
Take away Justin Smith and get back to your myopia.
huh?
Without Justin Smith, Aldon wouldn't have as much an impact on 3rd down passing situations. That's why Aldon was effective on "situational downs". Von Miller also had more tackles than Aldon. Take away the overall performance of the d-line and Justin Smith, then you have Patrick Willis' name called every play. With Aldon having less sacks.
I had a feeling this was what you were getting at, just wanted to be clear...I'm not a big fan of "well if you take away this, then that" arguments. Are you saying that any rookie could have replicated Aldon's performance b/c of Justin Smith? :no:

Don't get me wrong... Von Miller is a beast, and of course I'm being biased, but I still think what Aldon did was more impressive.
Andre Carter had 12.5 sacks in his second year, doubling his rookie season. Guess who was on the D-Line then? You're dismissing Miller for being benched for a half, and thinking a situational player who is a rookie with one of the Top 2 defensive front sevens in the League (which a lot of Aldon's sacks were compiled of favorable 3rd down and other passing situations against a lot of scrub QBs to add) is more impressive because of a sack total, whereas Miller as a rook had one of the most important stats well over Aldon: tackles, and against the run at that. Miller had to fill and learn be a motor. Aldon was the extra gear of Justin Smith's and the other Vet's engine. Nice to have that extra gear when you need it, against the NFCW too.
Your argument that playing in the NFC West & against scrub QB's helped Smith, couldn't be more off. He averaged more sacks against pro bowl type QB's than against scrubs. He also averaged more sacks against the rest of his schedule than against the NFC West. Carry on with your anti-49er bias.
6 of those sacks were against the NFCW. Show me a Pro Bowler QB out of that division. He had 2.5 against PIT with a gimpy Roth. If you think Freeman and McCoy were PB level this season, then you are dumber than I give you credit for. BTW, Miller had 51 tackles to Aldon's 31, and just 3 sacks less starting. I guess the numbers are Anti 49er. That's why I'm Anti Ninerfan like who you represent. Not very bright, but now even more myopic than the fellow Bay Area AFCW football fan.
Wrong again. He had 5 sacks against the NFCW & 9 against the rest of the schedule. As I said, his sack average was higher against the rest of the schedule. He also had 6 sacks in 4 games against Vick, Stafford, Manning & Roethlisberger, again, a higher average than against the NFCW. Roethlisbergers condition doesn't change the fact that he was a Pro Bowl type QB. I don't have a problem with Miller winning the award, the problem is when you just make stuff up to support your argument, which you do regularly.
Well, I gsve him one more sack against the NFCW which I got that math wrong, and I didn't include post season. But I also see that you didn't include Freeman and McCoy, and a gimpy Roth is a gimpy Roth, period. Being a statue back there helps any defensive player. So take away the DET and PHI regular season sacks, add in gimpy Roth (of course you think a ankle sprain is no big deal), and you have the bulk of sacks against the NFCW, TAM, CLE, PIT (with said gimpy Roth). Minus the post season. PHI was a mess this season too. They were in the midst of a 4 game losing streak, and won only 3 out of their first 8 games.

But none of what Aldon did happens without the Vet front. That's my original point. You got #### hurt over nothing here. If you wanna dismiss the rest of the front 7 to prop up Aldon Smith (while forgetting Justin Smith, who I am actually praising here but you fail to see that because you are #### hurt) for the sake of one individual player, than you really aren't the fan you say you are. Guess what? That front 7 also helps the back 4.

So really, you're making up more that I am here. I can see why because you like things simple.

 
You already played take away by dismissing a starter over a situational player. While being Webzone about the 49er defense. I'm still trying to keep Wingnut from linking that crap board here. Can you help a Brutha out? TIA.
:rolleyes: Show me one instance where I posted a link to their forum. I post articles, which are usually from external sources. Ive never even read the forum over there.Now, back to business....According to reports, SF resigned CJ Spillman to a 3 year deal, and Goldson has parted ways Rosenhaus. No confirmation link yet for the Spillman story.
 
SF has a lot of cash to spend. Doesn't mean they HAVE to spend it but here are some of the bigger fa's available.

Any favorites from that list? VJax would be an upgrade. Go cheap and bring in Meachem? Steve Johnson? Laurent Robinson? Trade the draft pick for Mike Wallace? Carl Nicks to beef up the o-line? Mario replacing Brooks would be a move straight out of Madden! Finnegan instead of keeping Rodgers? Dump Smith to grab Flynn?
If VJax can't perform consistently with Rivers, then he won't do anything with Smith. Although I'm not so sure I would want Rivers either.I still think we should go for Meachem.

I'm not a fan of Desean, but he would definitely be a guy that could stretch the field. Meachem would be cheaper, obviously.



Some of your suggestions are straight out of Madden ;)
:lol: I was just listing the big names. Mario is a dream not restrained by reality. If I were SF I'd sign one or two lower wr's (Manningham, Meachem, Robinson, etc.). Those would be the biggest names I'd chase after. Then I'd re-sign most of our own guys (again, assuming none get too pricey).

Pretty sure Goldson will get tagged if they can't work out a deal.

 
You already played take away by dismissing a starter over a situational player. While being Webzone about the 49er defense. I'm still trying to keep Wingnut from linking that crap board here. Can you help a Brutha out? TIA.
:rolleyes: Show me one instance where I posted a link to their forum. I post articles, which are usually from external sources. Ive never even read the forum over there.Now, back to business....According to reports, SF resigned CJ Spillman to a 3 year deal, and Goldson has parted ways Rosenhaus. No confirmation link yet for the Spillman story.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=580477&view=findpost&p=12842729ETZ: not the forum, but commentary. I get what the content is. But it's still "Webzone".
 
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Maybe the 49ers should go after someone like Manningham or Meachem in FA and then take someone like TE Cody Fleener with the 30th pick in the first. Fleener & Vernon Davis could be like Gronk & Hernandez in NE. Seemed to work pretty good for the Patriots. Harbaugh would probably like a 2 TE set. Delanie Walker's ok but I think a Davis & Fleener combo would be better.

 
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Maybe the 49ers should go after someone like Manningham or Meachem in FA and then take someone like TE Cody Fleener with the 30th pick in the first. Fleener & Vernon Davis could be like Gronk & Hernandez in NE. Seemed to work pretty good for the Patriots. Harbaugh would probably like a 2 TE set. Delanie Walker's ok but I think a Davis & Fleener combo would be better.
That's a popular scenario amongst the fanbase now, but who knows what Baalke has in mind. I like it though.
 
You already played take away by dismissing a starter over a situational player. While being Webzone about the 49er defense. I'm still trying to keep Wingnut from linking that crap board here. Can you help a Brutha out? TIA.
:rolleyes: Show me one instance where I posted a link to their forum. I post articles, which are usually from external sources. Ive never even read the forum over there.

Now, back to business....According to reports, SF resigned CJ Spillman to a 3 year deal, and Goldson has parted ways Rosenhaus. No confirmation link yet for the Spillman story.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=580477&view=findpost&p=12842729ETZ: not the forum, but commentary. I get what the content is. But it's still "Webzone".
Didnt think so. I rest my case.
 
I'm not a big fan of Grant Cohn but I agree with this piece even if he's saying nothing more than keep these guys unless they get too expensive (which is what we've all said).

Trent Baalke reiterated this morning at the NFL Combine that the 49ers want to keep their guys in place, as in re-sign their free agents.Baalke said there’s no priority list for who he wants to re-sign, which is baloney, probably.Let’s try to guess that priority list.Which of the 49ers free agents are most important to resign? And in what order?Keep in mind, no free agent is so important that Baalke will overspend for him – that’s not his style. Baalke most likely has a price point in mind for each free agent, and if demands exceed, he’ll move on to the next option.Assuming the 49ers free agents all want to re-sign for fair contracts, here’s how I’d rank them in order of importance if I were Baalke.1. Carlos Rogers. Rogers is the most difficult 49er to replace because he covers slot receivers as well as any cornerback does in the NFL. The way the 49ers defensive scheme is set up, the outside cornerbacks have a much easier job than the slot guy does. The outside cornerbacks get safety help, so they play underneath coverage. That means they can let the wide receiver run past a little bit and beat them because a safety is in position to make a big hit or interception if the quarterback throws it “over the top” of the underneath coverage. Also, they get to play with inside leverage, meaning they line up slightly inside of the receiver, as in between the receiver and the quarterback. This cuts off the middle of the field and baits the wideout into running down the sideline towards the safeties.This scheme is set up to make the cornerback’s job easier. He gets help from a safety and a sideline, and he’s in position to intercept passes because he’s playing underneath. Tarell Brown, who had never excelled in the NFL, excelled in this scheme this past season. But Rogers frequently covered slot receivers (like Victor Cruz) man-to-man with no safety help. He didn’t get sideline help, either, because the slot receiver lines up in the middle of the field. So, Rogers job was extremely difficult, much more difficult than Brown’s.Rogers is a master of slot coverage because he anticipates breaks, not merely react to them. In the second half of the NFC championship game, to finally neutralize Cruz he outsmarted him. Instead of playing him straight, Rogers lined up with leverage, guessing that Cruz would cut away from the leverage, as he had done in the first half with great success. Rogers guessed right. He’d line up inside of Cruz, then jump outside when Cruz chopped his feet (and vice versa, lining up outside and jumping inside). This worked. He perfectly anticipated Cruz’s routes in the second half, and shut him down. Chris Culliver isn’t ready to do that. Neither is Tramaine Brock or Tarell Brown.Rogers’ ability to cover the best slot receivers one-on-one is one of the many things that makes the Niners’ D great. If they lose Rogers, they’d have to start doubling the best slot receivers and counting on Culliver to lock down No. 1 wide receivers without safety help, like Darrelle Revis does, and Deion Sanders used to do. That’s too much to ask from Culliver, which is why Rogers tops this list.2. Alex Smith. He probably should be No. 1 just by virtue of being a quarterback. But, if he wants to be paid like a Pro-Bowler, or a top-ten QB, I bet Baalke tells him he’s welcome to seek that money from other teams. As much as Harbaugh likes Smith, he’s a very confident coach, and I’d guess he believes he can win with Colin Kaepernick or Scott Tolzien or even himself as the QB. Smith will come back to the Niners on the Niners’ terms, or he won’t come back at all. He has less negotiating leverage than Rogers, so that’s why he’s No. 2 on this list.3. Dashon Goldson. He’s third on this list only because there are no good replacement options. There are many free safeties that could thrive on the Niners D with that great pass rush, but none that could outperform Dashon Goldson in 2012. I’d be surprised if Baalke offered him much more than what he offered and Goldson turned down last offseason – 5 years, $25 million. If Goldson rejects that again, he’ll probably get the franchise tag, as he should.4. Ahmad Brooks. He’s a better 3-4 outside linebacker than Goldson is a free safety, but the Niners can more easily replace Brooks. They view Aldon Smith as a three-down player in 2012, and they still have Parys Haralson under contract for one more season. He can play the strong OLB spot, Brooks’ spot, on first and second down, set the edge and cover, and Baalke can draft a third down pass rusher who can develop into a three-down OLB and take Haralson’s job in 2013. In 2012, Haralson and the rookie pass rusher should be able to nearly replicate Brooks’ production.5. Adam Snyder. He’s a mediocre guard, but the Niners have no replacement for him on the roster. Their O-line performed much worse last season when Snyder wasn’t playing, and because of that he has a good deal of negotiating leverage for a mediocre guard. Will he use it? If he does, he’s probably a goner. Baalke let David Baas walk last offseason because he wanted more than Baalke thought he was worth. If Snyder walks, Baalke will probably replace him with another mediocre free agent guard.The next player I would put on this list is Ted Ginn Jr., but if I were Baalke I’d only resign him as a return man. I would replace him as a receiver. Baalke has to determine how much he’d pay for a return specialist, and that figure may not satisfy Ginn.
 
'Wingnut said:
'drummer said:
You already played take away by dismissing a starter over a situational player. While being Webzone about the 49er defense. I'm still trying to keep Wingnut from linking that crap board here. Can you help a Brutha out? TIA.
:rolleyes: Show me one instance where I posted a link to their forum. I post articles, which are usually from external sources. Ive never even read the forum over there.

Now, back to business....According to reports, SF resigned CJ Spillman to a 3 year deal, and Goldson has parted ways Rosenhaus. No confirmation link yet for the Spillman story.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=580477&view=findpost&p=12842729ETZ: not the forum, but commentary. I get what the content is. But it's still "Webzone".
Didnt think so. I rest my case.
Well, linking a commentary section (who has the Sydney Mahew as a writer) is guilt by association. Oscar Apracio is just as bad too. :shrug:

 
I'm not a big fan of Grant Cohn but I agree with this piece even if he's saying nothing more than keep these guys unless they get too expensive (which is what we've all said).

Trent Baalke reiterated this morning at the NFL Combine that the 49ers want to keep their guys in place, as in re-sign their free agents.Baalke said there’s no priority list for who he wants to re-sign, which is baloney, probably.Let’s try to guess that priority list.Which of the 49ers free agents are most important to resign? And in what order?Keep in mind, no free agent is so important that Baalke will overspend for him – that’s not his style. Baalke most likely has a price point in mind for each free agent, and if demands exceed, he’ll move on to the next option.Assuming the 49ers free agents all want to re-sign for fair contracts, here’s how I’d rank them in order of importance if I were Baalke.1. Carlos Rogers. Rogers is the most difficult 49er to replace because he covers slot receivers as well as any cornerback does in the NFL. The way the 49ers defensive scheme is set up, the outside cornerbacks have a much easier job than the slot guy does. The outside cornerbacks get safety help, so they play underneath coverage. That means they can let the wide receiver run past a little bit and beat them because a safety is in position to make a big hit or interception if the quarterback throws it “over the top” of the underneath coverage. Also, they get to play with inside leverage, meaning they line up slightly inside of the receiver, as in between the receiver and the quarterback. This cuts off the middle of the field and baits the wideout into running down the sideline towards the safeties.This scheme is set up to make the cornerback’s job easier. He gets help from a safety and a sideline, and he’s in position to intercept passes because he’s playing underneath. Tarell Brown, who had never excelled in the NFL, excelled in this scheme this past season. But Rogers frequently covered slot receivers (like Victor Cruz) man-to-man with no safety help. He didn’t get sideline help, either, because the slot receiver lines up in the middle of the field. So, Rogers job was extremely difficult, much more difficult than Brown’s.Rogers is a master of slot coverage because he anticipates breaks, not merely react to them. In the second half of the NFC championship game, to finally neutralize Cruz he outsmarted him. Instead of playing him straight, Rogers lined up with leverage, guessing that Cruz would cut away from the leverage, as he had done in the first half with great success. Rogers guessed right. He’d line up inside of Cruz, then jump outside when Cruz chopped his feet (and vice versa, lining up outside and jumping inside). This worked. He perfectly anticipated Cruz’s routes in the second half, and shut him down. Chris Culliver isn’t ready to do that. Neither is Tramaine Brock or Tarell Brown.Rogers’ ability to cover the best slot receivers one-on-one is one of the many things that makes the Niners’ D great. If they lose Rogers, they’d have to start doubling the best slot receivers and counting on Culliver to lock down No. 1 wide receivers without safety help, like Darrelle Revis does, and Deion Sanders used to do. That’s too much to ask from Culliver, which is why Rogers tops this list.2. Alex Smith. He probably should be No. 1 just by virtue of being a quarterback. But, if he wants to be paid like a Pro-Bowler, or a top-ten QB, I bet Baalke tells him he’s welcome to seek that money from other teams. As much as Harbaugh likes Smith, he’s a very confident coach, and I’d guess he believes he can win with Colin Kaepernick or Scott Tolzien or even himself as the QB. Smith will come back to the Niners on the Niners’ terms, or he won’t come back at all. He has less negotiating leverage than Rogers, so that’s why he’s No. 2 on this list.3. Dashon Goldson. He’s third on this list only because there are no good replacement options. There are many free safeties that could thrive on the Niners D with that great pass rush, but none that could outperform Dashon Goldson in 2012. I’d be surprised if Baalke offered him much more than what he offered and Goldson turned down last offseason – 5 years, $25 million. If Goldson rejects that again, he’ll probably get the franchise tag, as he should.4. Ahmad Brooks. He’s a better 3-4 outside linebacker than Goldson is a free safety, but the Niners can more easily replace Brooks. They view Aldon Smith as a three-down player in 2012, and they still have Parys Haralson under contract for one more season. He can play the strong OLB spot, Brooks’ spot, on first and second down, set the edge and cover, and Baalke can draft a third down pass rusher who can develop into a three-down OLB and take Haralson’s job in 2013. In 2012, Haralson and the rookie pass rusher should be able to nearly replicate Brooks’ production.5. Adam Snyder. He’s a mediocre guard, but the Niners have no replacement for him on the roster. Their O-line performed much worse last season when Snyder wasn’t playing, and because of that he has a good deal of negotiating leverage for a mediocre guard. Will he use it? If he does, he’s probably a goner. Baalke let David Baas walk last offseason because he wanted more than Baalke thought he was worth. If Snyder walks, Baalke will probably replace him with another mediocre free agent guard.The next player I would put on this list is Ted Ginn Jr., but if I were Baalke I’d only resign him as a return man. I would replace him as a receiver. Baalke has to determine how much he’d pay for a return specialist, and that figure may not satisfy Ginn.
Brooks has about as much leverage as Alex Smith has in an open market, so they should wait and see what the market dictates. Brooks' career started as a Nolan reclamation project. I like what Brooks has brought, and I have no problem with his play. But no way do I want to see Haralson in place of him. I like Rogers a lot. But he can also drop off like Walt Harris did (Harris suffered injuries as well that pretty much ended his career). Rogers has been great at coaching up the secondary as well. Big fan of Rogers, and I hope to see him back playing at the same level. Goldson would be an interesting watch. I doubt he get's any big time offers, but you never know. One thing I can hope is that Baalke has a contingency plan in case Goldson demands are high and thus a tag. I think the 49ers real need is more at Center than Snyder at guard. I think Baas being let go hurt them a bit. QB: won't go down the Smith road, but to me Cohn has the obvious point that everybody knows. Losing Smith won't hurt them as much, and Smith really needs to get failure out of his head. Long term commitment? To me, it looks like the team will set itself up to avoid that. No way he is worth a Fitzpatrick type contract, not with a couple of guys waiting in the wings (really want to see how Tolzien looks, and Kaep is more of a shelf guy you don't want to rush into, but who knows how he will respond during the off-season). 2-3 years at 8 Mil per for Smith is fair enough.
 
I'm not a big fan of Grant Cohn but I agree with this piece even if he's saying nothing more than keep these guys unless they get too expensive (which is what we've all said).

4. Ahmad Brooks. He’s a better 3-4 outside linebacker than Goldson is a free safety, but the Niners can more easily replace Brooks. They view Aldon Smith as a three-down player in 2012, and they still have Parys Haralson under contract for one more season. He can play the strong OLB spot, Brooks’ spot, on first and second down, set the edge and cover, and Baalke can draft a third down pass rusher who can develop into a three-down OLB and take Haralson’s job in 2013. In 2012, Haralson and the rookie pass rusher should be able to nearly replicate Brooks’ production.
I feel like this is putting a ton of pressure on (a) Aldon to excel as a 3 down LB while still retaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher, when he wasn't asked to do that at all last year, and (b) to find another third down pass rush specialist in the draft to rotate with Haralson. I'm guessing that Goldson would be easier to replace than people think.
 
I'm not a big fan of Grant Cohn but I agree with this piece even if he's saying nothing more than keep these guys unless they get too expensive (which is what we've all said).

4. Ahmad Brooks. He’s a better 3-4 outside linebacker than Goldson is a free safety, but the Niners can more easily replace Brooks. They view Aldon Smith as a three-down player in 2012, and they still have Parys Haralson under contract for one more season. He can play the strong OLB spot, Brooks’ spot, on first and second down, set the edge and cover, and Baalke can draft a third down pass rusher who can develop into a three-down OLB and take Haralson’s job in 2013. In 2012, Haralson and the rookie pass rusher should be able to nearly replicate Brooks’ production.
I feel like this is putting a ton of pressure on (a) Aldon to excel as a 3 down LB while still retaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher, when he wasn't asked to do that at all last year, and (b) to find another third down pass rush specialist in the draft to rotate with Haralson. I'm guessing that Goldson would be easier to replace than people think.
Looks like we won't find out. Per Schefter SF is going to place the franchise tag of 6.2 million on Goldson. And :lol: at drummer sending me PM's filled with obscenities and screaming about me and a few others from this thread ruining everything. Cute shtick, guy.

 
Not so sure I agree with the sentiment here that Brooks is replaceable. I like this move by SF to lock up the rare 3-down pass rushing OLB. Much rather keep Haralson in his existing "run down hold the edge" role.

The San Francisco 49ers announced they have signed LB Ahmad Brooks to a six-year contract extension through the 2017 season.

Brooks (6-3, 259) originally joined the 49ers when he was claimed off waivers from Cincinnati on 8/31/08. Despite not seeing the field in 2008, Brooks went on to play in 45 games (17 starts) over the next three seasons, and recorded 115 tackles, 18.0 sacks, six forced fumbles and one interception. His 18.0 sacks rank second on the team over that span (DT Justin Smith – 22.0 sacks). Brooks started all 16 games and both postseason contests last season, setting career-highs in both tackles (59) and sacks (7.0). In 2009, he set the franchise record for most forced fumbles by a linebacker in a single-season with five.

Brooks originally entered the league as a third round selection in the 2006 supplemental draft by the Cincinnati Bengals. He was later waived by Cincinnati on 8/30/08 and claimed off waivers by San Francisco on 8/31/08. Brooks, a six-year veteran, has played in 58 games (24 starts) and has registered 169 tackles, 20.0 sacks, seven forced fumbles and one interception.

A 27-year old native of Fairfax, VA, Brooks starred collegiately at Virginia, where he earned All-America honors as a sophomore and was a finalist for the Butkus Award.
 
Not sure what the #s are yet

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora

49ers deep in talks with LB Ahmad Brooks. Deal expected soon in range of 5 years/$35M. He's 1 of many key free agents on D #insideslant
Also Maiocco was on the radio yesterday and said that we're also nearing a deal with Dashon Goldson. His new agent is almost set and the new agent has a very good relationship with the 49ers.
 
'5Rings said:
Not sure what the #s are yet

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora

49ers deep in talks with LB Ahmad Brooks. Deal expected soon in range of 5 years/$35M. He's 1 of many key free agents on D #insideslant
Also Maiocco was on the radio yesterday and said that we're also nearing a deal with Dashon Goldson. His new agent is almost set and the new agent has a very good relationship with the 49ers.
Looks like 6/44m with 17 guaranteed. Doesn't strike me as outrageous.
 
'5Rings said:
Not sure what the #s are yet

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora

49ers deep in talks with LB Ahmad Brooks. Deal expected soon in range of 5 years/$35M. He's 1 of many key free agents on D #insideslant
Also Maiocco was on the radio yesterday and said that we're also nearing a deal with Dashon Goldson. His new agent is almost set and the new agent has a very good relationship with the 49ers.
Looks like 6/44m with 17 guaranteed. Doesn't strike me as outrageous.
Agreed. Sure be nice to bring Goldson and Rogers back at affordable deals.I'm gonna predict Goldson 5/$28, Alex 3/$36, and Rogers FT.

 
I feel like this is putting a ton of pressure on (a) Aldon to excel as a 3 down LB while still retaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher, when he wasn't asked to do that at all last year, and (b) to find another third down pass rush specialist in the draft to rotate with Haralson. I'm guessing that Goldson would be easier to replace than people think.
Looks like we won't find out. Per Schefter SF is going to place the franchise tag of 6.2 million on Goldson. And :lol: at drummer sending me PM's filled with obscenities and screaming about me and a few others from this thread ruining everything. Cute shtick, guy.
:lmao: That dude has issues.

 
'Wingnut said:
I feel like this is putting a ton of pressure on (a) Aldon to excel as a 3 down LB while still retaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher, when he wasn't asked to do that at all last year, and (b) to find another third down pass rush specialist in the draft to rotate with Haralson. I'm guessing that Goldson would be easier to replace than people think.ppp
mLooks like we won't find out. Per Schefter SF is going to place the franchise tagpllion on Goldson.

And :lol: at drummer sending me PM's filled with obscenities and screaming about me and a few others from this thread ruining everything. Cute shtick, guy.
:lmao: That dude has issues.
I think he's right more often than not.
 
'Wingnut said:
I feel like this is putting a ton of pressure on (a) Aldon to excel as a 3 down LB while still retaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher, when he wasn't asked to do that at all last year, and (b) to find another third down pass rush specialist in the draft to rotate with Haralson. I'm guessing that Goldson would be easier to replace than people think.ppp
mLooks like we won't find out. Per Schefter SF is going to place the franchise tagpllion on Goldson.

And :lol: at drummer sending me PM's filled with obscenities and screaming about me and a few others from this thread ruining everything. Cute shtick, guy.
:lmao: That dude has issues.
I think he's right more often than not.
You should go back & reread his posts leading into last season.That said, he could be right 100% of the time & it doesn't change the fact that he has issues. Really, if you feel the need to PM obscenities to a stranger on a message board, it's time to take a break & get involved with a real life. You can just see the anger in his posts anytime someone calls him out, take a breath, walk away from the keyboard & come back when you can act like an adult (or at least a less vulgar child).

Back on topic, Matt Williams says the 49ers should get involved in the Manning sweepstakes. If Smith is going to cost around 10+ mil a year to re-sign, wouldn't Manning be interesting at 17-18 mil?

 
I'm gonna predict Goldson 5/$28, Alex 3/$36, and Rogers FT.
Thought it was weird that Rogers described the Brooks signing as "surprising." Didn't seem super-supportive of it. Maybe he felt the teams spent some of the money that should have been earmarked for him on Brooks.
 
I feel like this is putting a ton of pressure on (a) Aldon to excel as a 3 down LB while still retaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher, when he wasn't asked to do that at all last year, and (b) to find another third down pass rush specialist in the draft to rotate with Haralson. I'm guessing that Goldson would be easier to replace than people think.ppp
mLooks like we won't find out. Per Schefter SF is going to place the franchise tagpllion on Goldson.

And :lol: at drummer sending me PM's filled with obscenities and screaming about me and a few others from this thread ruining everything. Cute shtick, guy.
:lmao: That dude has issues.
I think he's right more often than not.
You should go back & reread his posts leading into last season.That said, he could be right 100% of the time & it doesn't change the fact that he has issues. Really, if you feel the need to PM obscenities to a stranger on a message board, it's time to take a break & get involved with a real life. You can just see the anger in his posts anytime someone calls him out, take a breath, walk away from the keyboard & come back when you can act like an adult (or at least a less vulgar child).

Back on topic, Matt Williams says the 49ers should get involved in the Manning sweepstakes. If Smith is going to cost around 10+ mil a year to re-sign, wouldn't Manning be interesting at 17-18 mil?
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: God Bless 49er fans. Too clueless most of the time, and Dr. Awesome leads that parade.

 
Not sure what the #s are yet

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora

49ers deep in talks with LB Ahmad Brooks. Deal expected soon in range of 5 years/$35M. He's 1 of many key free agents on D #insideslant
Also Maiocco was on the radio yesterday and said that we're also nearing a deal with Dashon Goldson. His new agent is almost set and the new agent has a very good relationship with the 49ers.
Looks like 6/44m with 17 guaranteed. Doesn't strike me as outrageous.
Agreed. Sure be nice to bring Goldson and Rogers back at affordable deals.I'm gonna predict Goldson 5/$28, Alex 3/$36, and Rogers FT.
Smith @ 12 Mil per year is still too high IMO. That's like $700 grand per TD pass a year.
 
The Brooks deal is a great signing for SF. For anyone interested in the details, here ya go.

For those just wanting cliff notes, basically his contract has lots of de-escalators in it and a lot of it is based heavily on performance (for better or for worse). And the team can cut ties with him fairly easily and painlessly before any given season.

 
The Brooks deal is a great signing for SF. For anyone interested in the details, here ya go.

For those just wanting cliff notes, basically his contract has lots of de-escalators in it and a lot of it is based heavily on performance (for better or for worse). And the team can cut ties with him fairly easily and painlessly before any given season.
I know Marathe had some role in the pre Harbaugh front office drama, but he is a heck of a negotiator and salary guy. If only he had been around in the mid late 90's.
 
The Brooks deal is a great signing for SF. For anyone interested in the details, here ya go.

For those just wanting cliff notes, basically his contract has lots of de-escalators in it and a lot of it is based heavily on performance (for better or for worse). And the team can cut ties with him fairly easily and painlessly before any given season.
I know Marathe had some role in the pre Harbaugh front office drama, but he is a heck of a negotiator and salary guy. If only he had been around in the mid late 90's.
Terry Donahue brought Marathe in according to Kevin Lynch:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/01/23/SPGD6AV3DU1.DTL&ao=all

Even better older story from the SF Weekly:

http://www.sfweekly.com/2005-12-28/news/offensive-line/

Billy Beane was on KNBR co-hosting with Ralph during the time the SF Weekly article came out. I called in (as drummer) to ask Beane how "Maratheball" (Barbieri chuckled at that) would work in the NFL. He didn't have and answer for it, but said he thought Marathe was a real bright guy.

The interesting thought about this is what would have happened if the 49er hired Jim Schwartz instead of Mike Nolan. Schwartz used to work with Aaron Schatz at Football Outsiders in his spare time tinkering with stats. The pairing of Marathe and Schwartz might have had Marathe as GM instead of the whole Nolan "Face of the Organization" debacle John York created.

But that doesn't mean they have stopped with the FO type analysis at 49er HQ. They are in that stat stuff big time there, and there could be a bigger influence of FO in the future there.

ETA: the criticism of York having a Marathe type there wasn't solely due to Marathe. York had a few key guys in the FO that had MBA's but no NFL experience. Plus, York had his own "Cap Hell" going on after he hiring Walsh back as GM, then the whole Donahue fiasco.

 
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As a A. Smith dynasty owner, I really would love it if Moss signed in SF. If he really has something left, he will improve Smith by a large margin IMO.

 
As a A. Smith dynasty owner, I really would love it if Moss signed in SF. If he really has something left, he will improve Smith by a large margin IMO.
I think Moss would be a great (nfl) fit for the offense. A threat like him that Defenses have to respect deep would open up the run game and midrange (crab,vd) passing attack. From a FFL pov...I can't see Alex and his suspect deep ball making Moss a fantasy factor.Agree with wingnut :)
 
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If the Niners wanna stay in control of their division, they shouldn't sit around and watch Arizona possibly get Manning.

Just sayin.

 
Why not just go for it all and sign Moss and Manning./pipe dream
I like that idea but probably won't happen with Manning, although he should consider where the 9ers are right now, close to going to a SB. I don't think he gets to a SB if he goes to Denver. Moss would be ok but can Alex Smith throw it deep enough to him? If Smith signs his offer in the next few days you can forget about Manning. I'd still say we're a real darkhorse to land Manning. Could happen at the last minute though especially if Peyton takes his time on making a decision.
 
From the Moss thread:

San Francisco 49ers CEO Jed York announced that head coach and former NFL quarterback Jim Harbaugh will be the arm for today's workout of wide receiver Randy Moss. "Former Colt Pro Bowl QB throwing for #49ers tomorrow. Just to clarify, Coach Harbaugh is turning into Capt Comeback to throw to Randy Moss," York wrote on Twitter. The 49ers have quarterbacks Colin Kaepernick and Scott Tolzien under contract, but neither are allowed to participate in workouts at the team's facility during this part of the NFL calendar. Instead of bringing in a free agent quarterback -- as the New Orleans Saints did with Brian Brohm during their workout with Moss last week -- the 49ers are taking advantage of Harbaugh's quarterbacking past.
:thumbup: And:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/alex-smith-says-hes-happy-with-49ers-offer-close-to-signing/

Alex Smith says he’s happy with 49ers’ offer, close to signing

Despite reports that Alex Smith is unhappy about the 49ers only offering him a three-year contract, Smith says he’s perfectly content and expects to re-sign in San Francisco.

Smith told CBS5’s Kim Coyle that reports he demanded a five-year contract are “completely false.” In fact, Smith said he’s happy with the three-year contract the 49ers offered, and that he’s close to signing it.

Of course, being close to signing isn’t the same thing as being under contract. And with free agency starting on Tuesday afternoon, if Smith doesn’t sign within the next 27 hours he’ll be free to see if any other team is willing to offer him a better deal than the 49ers are willing to offer him.

But the reality is that while Smith is coming off a solid season, there probably isn’t another team planning to offer him a deal. The 49ers say they want Smith and Smith says he wants to be there, and that’s probably enough to get a deal done.

 
UPDATE: Matt Maiocco reports that Randy Moss' workout began at 11:30am PT and lasted 15 minutes; Moss and team reps are now talking within the 49ers' building.

From earlier:

Randy Moss? Jed York, 49ers CEO, said that decision is up to coach Jim Harbaugh and general manager Trent Baalke.

Peyton Manning? That's a call that also belonged to Harbaugh and Baalke, York said Monday morning.

Apparently, the 49ers determined Manning is not a fit.

 
Moss would be ok but can Alex Smith throw it deep enough to him?
Im all for the Moss signing. Hes low risk/high reward, IMO. Its not like our WRs can get much worse, but Im not sure it would matter with Alex at QB...That said, Im hoping a full offseason under Harbaugh will show another step in improvement from Alex, so who knows. If Alex can turn into a 20-25td guy, the 49ers will be more than capable of winning a super bowl.
 
Moss would be ok but can Alex Smith throw it deep enough to him?
Im all for the Moss signing. Hes low risk/high reward, IMO. Its not like our WRs can get much worse, but Im not sure it would matter with Alex at QB...
I don't see why anything would think Moss is high reward at this point. His last good season was 2009, when he was 32. He got fired by three different teams in 2010. He turned 35 last month. He doesn't have the speed advantage he once had, and he has shown no interest in running routes other than fly patterns. You're better off with Ted Ginn, at least he'll return kicks.
 
Moss would be ok but can Alex Smith throw it deep enough to him?
Im all for the Moss signing. Hes low risk/high reward, IMO. Its not like our WRs can get much worse, but Im not sure it would matter with Alex at QB...
I don't see why anything would think Moss is high reward at this point. His last good season was 2009, when he was 32. He got fired by three different teams in 2010. He turned 35 last month. He doesn't have the speed advantage he once had, and he has shown no interest in running routes other than fly patterns. You're better off with Ted Ginn, at least he'll return kicks.
His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. He didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference. If he signs, we shall see.typo edit
 
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His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
 
His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
I think he sucked and caused problems for Tennessee and Minnesota because he didnt want to be there. His heart wasnt in the game at that point. Remember him gushing about the Pats after the trade to the media? Had he not been traded, I think 2010 would have been another good season for him (he had 3tds in 4 games before the trade, which projects to about 12tds)I get what youre saying about his age..but at 35, I think hes still better than any WR on the roster, and playing for a Super Bowl contended can cure many ills. Of course, if we dont sign him, this is all moot.
 
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Dont get me wrong, Id rather see them go after a different FA WR, but bottom line for me is I trust Harbaugh and Trent. Whether Moss signs or not, ill trust they made the right decision

 
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His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
I think he sucked and caused problems for Tennessee and Minnesota because he didnt want to be there. That trade came out of nowhere and defeated him. His heart wasnt in the game at that point. Remember him gushing about the Pats after the trade to the media? Had he not been traded, I think 2010 would have been another good season for him (he had 3tds in 4 games before the trade, which projects to about 12tds)I get what youre saying about his age..but at 35, I think hes still better than any WR on the roster, and playing for a Super Bowl contended can cure many ills. Of course, if we dont sign him, this is all moot.
He had 9 receptions in 4 games for the Pats, which projects out to 36 receptions. The reason the Pats got rid of him is that he wasn't willing to run the routes he was supposed to run. He's still a great guy to throw an end-zone fade pattern to, but that's not worth a roster spot.
 
Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss! :)

 
His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
I think he sucked and caused problems for Tennessee and Minnesota because he didnt want to be there. That trade came out of nowhere and defeated him. His heart wasnt in the game at that point. Remember him gushing about the Pats after the trade to the media? Had he not been traded, I think 2010 would have been another good season for him (he had 3tds in 4 games before the trade, which projects to about 12tds)I get what youre saying about his age..but at 35, I think hes still better than any WR on the roster, and playing for a Super Bowl contended can cure many ills. Of course, if we dont sign him, this is all moot.
He had 9 receptions in 4 games for the Pats, which projects out to 36 receptions. The reason the Pats got rid of him is that he wasn't willing to run the routes he was supposed to run. He's still a great guy to throw an end-zone fade pattern to, but that's not worth a roster spot.
He had 3 Tds in 4 games on those 9 receptions. That projects to 12 TDs. In reality, he had 3 Tds in 3 games because NE didn't throw to him a single time in his final game as they were clearly trying to send a message. Yes, he was open in that game too. Moss was catching TDs at a 1 to 3 reception pace in 2010 while playing for the Pats. The reason the Pats got rid of him is because he pissed off the OC and BB.Funny how you don't mention those TDs in your post. :rolleyes:
 
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His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
I think he sucked and caused problems for Tennessee and Minnesota because he didnt want to be there. That trade came out of nowhere and defeated him. His heart wasnt in the game at that point. Remember him gushing about the Pats after the trade to the media? Had he not been traded, I think 2010 would have been another good season for him (he had 3tds in 4 games before the trade, which projects to about 12tds)I get what youre saying about his age..but at 35, I think hes still better than any WR on the roster, and playing for a Super Bowl contended can cure many ills. Of course, if we dont sign him, this is all moot.
He had 9 receptions in 4 games for the Pats, which projects out to 36 receptions. The reason the Pats got rid of him is that he wasn't willing to run the routes he was supposed to run. He's still a great guy to throw an end-zone fade pattern to, but that's not worth a roster spot.
He had 3 Tds in 4 games on those 9 receptions. That projects to 12 TDs. In reality, he had 3 Tds in 3 games because NE didn't throw to him a single time in his final game as they were clearly trying to send a message. Yes, he was open in that game too. Moss was catching TDs at a 1 to 3 reception pace in 2010 while playing for the Pats. The reason the Pats got rid of him is because he pissed off the OC and BB.Funny how you don't mention those TDs in your post. :rolleyes:
I was responding to someone who mentioned the TDs. I was pointing out that being a good target on fade patterns does not equate to being a good WRs.
 
His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
I think he sucked and caused problems for Tennessee and Minnesota because he didnt want to be there. That trade came out of nowhere and defeated him. His heart wasnt in the game at that point. Remember him gushing about the Pats after the trade to the media? Had he not been traded, I think 2010 would have been another good season for him (he had 3tds in 4 games before the trade, which projects to about 12tds)I get what youre saying about his age..but at 35, I think hes still better than any WR on the roster, and playing for a Super Bowl contended can cure many ills.

Of course, if we dont sign him, this is all moot.
He had 9 receptions in 4 games for the Pats, which projects out to 36 receptions. The reason the Pats got rid of him is that he wasn't willing to run the routes he was supposed to run. He's still a great guy to throw an end-zone fade pattern to, but that's not worth a roster spot.
He had 3 Tds in 4 games on those 9 receptions. That projects to 12 TDs. In reality, he had 3 Tds in 3 games because NE didn't throw to him a single time in his final game as they were clearly trying to send a message. Yes, he was open in that game too. Moss was catching TDs at a 1 to 3 reception pace in 2010 while playing for the Pats. The reason the Pats got rid of him is because he pissed off the OC and BB.Funny how you don't mention those TDs in your post. :rolleyes:
I was responding to someone who mentioned the TDs. I was pointing out that being a good target on fade patterns does not equate to being a good WRs.
That's funny, NONE of those TDs were fades. Moss 2010 TDs

 
His last good season was in 2009 because he played for 3 different teams in 2010, and didnt play in 2011. When the Pats traded him, he didnt get to choose where he went. We didnt want to play for Tennessee or Minnesota. He wasnt happy. When hes happy, hes a beast. I think getting to choose where he plays could make a big difference.
He played for three different teams in 2010 because he sucked and caused problems for the teams.He was a beast when he was happy and 30 years old. He's certainly not 30 years old anymore, and will he really be happy on a defensive-focused, run-first team?
great post. What's the over/under on how many games into the season it takes for Moss to start crying??
 

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