Official 49ers 2012 thread (2 Viewers)

[Wingnut]

Now lets see if the sign any other wrs. Moss may be one of a couple new Nine wrs when all is said and done.

Harbaugh proved very quickly last year that he knows what he's doing. I'm sure he has a plan.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Put me with CalBear. I have no interest in bringing out Moss. The guy looked absolutely finished last we saw him. If we insist on going with an ancient wr I'd rather take a look at TO. He's a headcase as well but at least he looked good last time he was playing football.

I do wonder how bad Smith's deep ball actually is. I'm not sure it's as bad as some folk think. He's certainly managed to hit Vernon on deep passes. Crabtree has underperformed expectations (that's putting it nicely). He's missed Kyle Williams a few times but it's not as though he's had some great deep threat to play with. The Niners are supposedly considering Wallace so perhaps we'll see him open up the offense this year (though that's a relative term).

They signed him? Not wild about this move but I'll trust Harbaugh. I said I didn't want Alex Smith in a Niners uniform again but when Harbaugh brought him back and talked him up I said in Harbaugh I trust. Here's hoping it works out again.

 

[Black Box]

Not a fan of this move.

 

[thecatch]

If moss gives them what Burress gave the jets last year, it's a good move. Smith is a bad red zone QB, so they need to compensate by giving him a lot of different options and weapons down there. I'm not expecting big yardage numbers, just hoping for decent TD production. If Crabtree ups his game and Morgan comes back healthy (both possible), they will have a substantial improved passing game. Maybe even throw in that Stanford TE at the end of the first round.

 

[BaBastage]

Yeah, I'm skeptical of this move, but like some of the others, Harbaugh has earned my trust.

The season just got more interesting though!

 

[Wingnut]

Its a low risk signing. All indications are that we will sign another wr, so its not like the Moss signing is all we are doing to upgrade our wr corps. And its not guaranteed he will even make the final roster, so lets all calm down. Lol

 

[Joe Summer]

First Moss, now Perrish Cox. Can Pac Man Jones be far behind?

 

[chinawildman]

With all the hoopla about the Moss signing, the Perrish Cox move is actually a move I really like. The kid was a promising up and comer before the legal issues and has all the tools to be a quality starter. I like the way management has approached free agency with these "shoot for the moon" low risk, high upside FA signees. The way they're avoiding all the high profile FAs that everyone talks about echoes their strategy from last year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Wingnut]

First things first: Pro Bowl CB Rogers returns to 49ers with four-year deal

The 49ers reached a four-year deal worth up to $31.25 million Tuesday with Pro Bowl cornerback Carlos Rogers as free agency began, giving them all the prized pieces to a defense that was No. 1 against the run and second in points allowed per game last season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=sportsxchange-000602156_pro-bowl-cb-rogers-returns-to-49ers-with-fouryear-deal



In other news, Josh Morgan signed with Washington for 2 years worth up to around $12 million, with about $7.5 million guaranteed. I liked Morgan, but he has 9 tds in 3 full seasons (49 games), and is coming off a broken leg. I say sayonara....

...which leads us to...

49ers planning to visit with WR Lloyd

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/reports-49ers-planning-to-visit-with-wr-lloyd.html

ESPN and NFL.com report that Brandon Lloyd, a fourth-round pick by the team in 2003, was expected to visit the 49ers. Lloyd showed flashes of ability on very bad 49ers teams of the previous decade but mostly was known for rubbing some of the veterans the wrong way with his brash personality. The 49ers traded Lloyd to Washington in 2006 for a third-round draft choice.

Lloyd, 30, has had a renaissance later in his career. He led the league in receiving yards (1,448 with 11 touchdowns) in 2010 while with the Broncos. He finished with 966 yards total yards during a 2011 season that involved a trade from the Broncos to the Rams. Lloyd played against the 49ers twice, catching only one pass for 34 yards in the game at Candlestick Park but finishing with six catches for 100 yards and a touchdown in the second meeting in St. Louis.

Lloyd has the distinction of catching Alex Smith's first touchdown pass, which came in the finale of the 2005 season, a 20-17 win over Houston.

So....what say yall? Id have no problem with bringing the Matrix back to the Bay. He seems his head has been screwed on right the last few years and could be a nice upgrade to Morgan.

Lastly, I saw this little blurb in an article earlier:

The only change to the (defensive) lineup in 2012 is the anticipated promotion of outside linebacker Aldon Smith to take Parys Haralson's starting job at right outside linebacker. General manager Trent Baalke said the 49ers plan for Smith, a pass-rush specialist as a rookie in 2011, to take a full-time role.



It is not known if the 49ers plan to retain Haralson as a backup at his scheduled $2.75 million pay for this season. Haralson started all 16 games for the 49ers last season.

 

[thecatch]

Don't want anything to do with Lloyd unless he's cheap. I still think he is a head case and his success recently may be a product of mcdaniel's system. Also, he doesn't block.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Stoked to see Rogers has returned. Let's hope it's as cap friendly as Brooks' deal.

Love picking up Cox. Worthy gamble for the upside.

Morgan is with the Redskins and I'm not sold Randy is still Randy. Wonder if we'll land another fa wr or will pick one up in the draft. SF was reportedly interested in Wallace...wonder if that's still going to happen or if it was bs all along?

 

[goldenchild]

Can someone explain the salary cap to me? How is washington able to spend so much damn money?

Will we have enough $ for Wallace if/when Alex signs his contract?

 

[Multiple Scores]

Very happy Carlos Rogers is back. All 11 starters return!

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Can someone explain the salary cap to me? How is washington able to spend so much damn money?Will we have enough $ for Wallace if/when Alex signs his contract?

Washington isn't going crazy. Take a look at the Bucs for the major player thus far.I don't see how we'd be able to afford Wallace...but I don't see how we'll be able to afford Lloyd either after Smith signs and yet they've brought him in. The fo has structured the contracts very nicely thus far so who knows what they can shuffle around.SF has reached out to Laurent Robinson and is bringing in Chaz Schilens.

 

[5Rings]

I'd sure like to see Ginn come back. Dynamic returner and decent WR4/5 guy.

I want no part of Laurent Robinson. Guy is a china doll...speaking of which, Chaz?

to Rogers coming back

 

[goldenchild]

Can someone explain the salary cap to me? How is washington able to spend so much damn money?Will we have enough $ for Wallace if/when Alex signs his contract?

Washington isn't going crazy. Take a look at the Bucs for the major player thus far.I don't see how we'd be able to afford Wallace...but I don't see how we'll be able to afford Lloyd either after Smith signs and yet they've brought him in. The fo has structured the contracts very nicely thus far so who knows what they can shuffle around.SF has reached out to Laurent Robinson and is bringing in Chaz Schilens.

Did Washington take a cap penalty though? It doesn't seem like it.I thought I read somewhere about Ginn going to Detroit?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I haven't followed the Washington details but I'm skeptical the penalty with hold up. Don't really know and don't really care until they're a significant roadblock to the Niners reaching the Super Bowl.

Ginn is working out in Detroit. If he returns to SF I'll welcome him back. He did a great job in the return game. If he leaves us I'll be less upset than 5Rings. I have no interest in seeing him as anything more than a return specialist (ie not a wr).

Adam Snyder is gone. 5 year deal with the Cardinals.

SF is bringing in Leonard Davis. Like Moss, he didn't play last year. Maybe they'll bring in a vet or maybe they'll expect one of the young guys to step up (Kilgore).

SF is also inquiring about Manningham.

Nothing big going to the team but nothing big leaving the team. There's value in that and it's the smart thing to do even if it's not tons of fun.

 

[pghrob]

Matt Williamson - NFL Scout for ESPN.com and Scouts, Inc. Also host of Football Today Podcast - tweets today that he is high on Colin Kaepernick to be 49ers starting qb soon.

https://twitter.com/#!/WilliamsonNFL/status/179973072944771072

Will say it now: CK will be #49ers starting QB in 2013...at the latest

https://twitter.com/#!/WilliamsonNFL/status/179976164889202688

Give CK at least a real offseason with Harbaugh and at this level...might shock ya

https://twitter.com/#!/WilliamsonNFL/status/179976985261522944

Harbaugh hand picked CK...didn't pick Smith...give me Henne/Orton on the cheap instead of Smith...& Wallace with the extra #49ers cash!

 

[5Rings]

Manningham visits Thursday

Nice post pghrob.

 

[cstu]

Can someone explain the salary cap to me? How is washington able to spend so much damn money?

Will we have enough $ for Wallace if/when Alex signs his contract?

Washington isn't going crazy. Take a look at the Bucs for the major player thus far.I don't see how we'd be able to afford Wallace...but I don't see how we'll be able to afford Lloyd either after Smith signs and yet they've brought him in. The fo has structured the contracts very nicely thus far so who knows what they can shuffle around.

SF has reached out to Laurent Robinson and is bringing in Chaz Schilens.

If the 49ers gave Wallace a 6 year $50M contract could they fit it in? I'm thinking maybe a $20M signing bonus and a low 2012 salary so the cap hit is under $10M this year. By giving up the 1st they'd be saving on that salary. Maybe the Steelers match a deal like that but I imagine it would be worth a try.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Can someone explain the salary cap to me? How is washington able to spend so much damn money?

Will we have enough $ for Wallace if/when Alex signs his contract?

Washington isn't going crazy. Take a look at the Bucs for the major player thus far.I don't see how we'd be able to afford Wallace...but I don't see how we'll be able to afford Lloyd either after Smith signs and yet they've brought him in. The fo has structured the contracts very nicely thus far so who knows what they can shuffle around.

SF has reached out to Laurent Robinson and is bringing in Chaz Schilens.

If the 49ers gave Wallace a 6 year $50M contract could they fit it in? I'm thinking maybe a $20M signing bonus and a low 2012 salary so the cap hit is under $10M this year. By giving up the 1st they'd be saving on that salary. Maybe the Steelers match a deal like that but I imagine it would be worth a try.

We'll see. I suppose it's possible if they really play with the numbers. SF has about 15 million to play with. They need to re-sign Alex. That's going to eat up most of the cash. Might sign another wr or three and need to replace Ginn (or re-sign him) and Snyder at guard. They can always fill in holes with the draft but they don't have loads to spend. But we'll see how they structure Smith and the others. They've been brilliant working the cap thus far but I think they're just going to sign another couple lower level guys. Aside from Alex Smith I think the biggest name they'll grab is maybe going to be one of the Robinson/Manningham tier. Of course if they don't bring back Alex and roll with the Kaepernick (pghrob's post hinted at the possibility) they can easily work Wallace into the mix.

 

[cstu]

Can someone explain the salary cap to me? How is washington able to spend so much damn money?

Will we have enough $ for Wallace if/when Alex signs his contract?

Washington isn't going crazy. Take a look at the Bucs for the major player thus far.I don't see how we'd be able to afford Wallace...but I don't see how we'll be able to afford Lloyd either after Smith signs and yet they've brought him in. The fo has structured the contracts very nicely thus far so who knows what they can shuffle around.

SF has reached out to Laurent Robinson and is bringing in Chaz Schilens.

If the 49ers gave Wallace a 6 year $50M contract could they fit it in? I'm thinking maybe a $20M signing bonus and a low 2012 salary so the cap hit is under $10M this year. By giving up the 1st they'd be saving on that salary. Maybe the Steelers match a deal like that but I imagine it would be worth a try.

We'll see. I suppose it's possible if they really play with the numbers. SF has about 15 million to play with. They need to re-sign Alex. That's going to eat up most of the cash. Might sign another wr or three and need to replace Ginn (or re-sign him) and Snyder at guard. They can always fill in holes with the draft but they don't have loads to spend. But we'll see how they structure Smith and the others. They've been brilliant working the cap thus far but I think they're just going to sign another couple lower level guys. Aside from Alex Smith I think the biggest name they'll grab is maybe going to be one of the Robinson/Manningham tier.

Of course if they don't bring back Alex and roll with the Kaepernick (pghrob's post hinted at the possibility) they can easily work Wallace into the mix.

From what I read, Smith is ok with the 3 year offer he received. If he comes back I hope it's at a reasonable rate since it would suck if the 49ers lost out on Wallace to re-sign Smith.

 

[jurb26]

Looks like Manningham is scheduled to visit SF. That would also be a nice signing.

 

[drummer]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

 

[goldenchild]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

 

[mcd]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

Hopefully, the 49ers still plan to sign a WR FA & also spend an early pick on one. I'm not sure Moss will even make the roster, he looked terrible with the Titans & that was over a year ago. It's a nice story but I expect very little.

 

[drummer]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

At Moss' age? Even a lazy Crabs has a lot more upside. How is Moss gonna react when Smith dumps off while he is wide open deep? Like Moss, giving up on plays that pretty much made him a reality show prospect. BTW, I think Kaep can throw 17 TD's this season after a full off-season.

 

[5Rings]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

At Moss' age? Even a lazy Crabs has a lot more upside. How is Moss gonna react when Smith dumps off while he is wide open deep? Like Moss, giving up on plays that pretty much made him a reality show prospect. BTW, I think Kaep can throw 17 TD's this season after a full off-season.

I do too...but I also think Kap would turn the ball over 20 times.

 

[drummer]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

At Moss' age? Even a lazy Crabs has a lot more upside. How is Moss gonna react when Smith dumps off while he is wide open deep? Like Moss, giving up on plays that pretty much made him a reality show prospect. BTW, I think Kaep can throw 17 TD's this season after a full off-season.

I do too...but I also think Kap would turn the ball over 20 times.

Nah, not if he reflects the coaching philosophy like Smith had. Plus, he doesn't have BOOOO's in his head. Smith in second year in his second offense threw 16 INTs. Compare 2006 49ers to 2012. Of course if they went after and won the Manning sweepstakes, 17 TDs by mid-season would be a safe bet.

 

[goldenchild]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

At Moss' age? Even a lazy Crabs has a lot more upside. How is Moss gonna react when Smith dumps off while he is wide open deep? Like Moss, giving up on plays that pretty much made him a reality show prospect. BTW, I think Kaep can throw 17 TD's this season after a full off-season.

I"m not gonna bother getting into that pissing match with you... Moss can start the season red hot and you still wouldn't admit that you pegged him wrong (dump offs or no dump offs). We've seen the Moss that gives up on plays and is disruptive to the team, but we've also seen the Moss that can put up 3TDs in a single game and make it look easy (as recent as a few years ago). The question is which one will show up? I don't know and neither do you.How can you say that Crab has the most upside at this point in his career? What are you basing that on? His younger age?

Totally agree on Kap... should be an interesting camp.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

 

[drummer]

Is that WR a big enough name for ya, Drummer? The guy is 35 and can still run a sub 4.4 40... And he is Randy freaking Moss!

Was Moss the best FA WR out there?

Negative... but I'd argue a hellava lot better than what they got... plus I doubt they would get anything close to the contract they managed to get for Moss.

At Moss' age? Even a lazy Crabs has a lot more upside. How is Moss gonna react when Smith dumps off while he is wide open deep? Like Moss, giving up on plays that pretty much made him a reality show prospect. BTW, I think Kaep can throw 17 TD's this season after a full off-season.

I"m not gonna bother getting into that pissing match with you... Moss can start the season red hot and you still wouldn't admit that you pegged him wrong (dump offs or no dump offs). We've seen the Moss that gives up on plays and is disruptive to the team, but we've also seen the Moss that can put up 3TDs in a single game and make it look easy (as recent as a few years ago). The question is which one will show up? I don't know and neither do you.How can you say that Crab has the most upside at this point in his career? What are you basing that on? His younger age?

Totally agree on Kap... should be an interesting camp.

How am I pegging Moss wrong here? Just ask Cris Carter what he thought of Moss a couple of weeks ago. He said Moss had "Quit" in him too. Can you tell me why he wasn't in the NFL last season? I mean, you think I am getting in a pissing match with you over a WR who is on his last rodeo a year after getting kicked off the horse. VD was thought of being Crabs like early in his career. Most 49er fans thought he was going to bust or not live up to his draft status. Give Crabs a real QB or at least one that isn't afraid to throw into tight coverage. I'm surprised 49er fans give up on him while watching him snatch Smith's sailing passes that he has to jump for while adjusting to it's inaccuracy. Well, I'm not toooooo surprised.

BTW, buddy of mine on another board posted a twitter rumor of Smith looking at a 3 year deal with AZ. Maybe the perceived lock at he being the starter in SF is not so set in stone.

 

[drummer]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

If Moss signed with SEA 49er fans would go "BWAHAHAHA CARROLL IS AN IDIOT BWAHAHAHA MOSS IS SOOOOO DONE BWAHAHAHA!" Now I catch hell because I didn't go "ZOMG! MOSS!"Sheesh.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

BTW, buddy of mine on another board posted a twitter rumor of Smith looking at a 3 year deal with AZ. Maybe the perceived lock at he being the starter in SF is not so set in stone.

Eric Davis tweeted Alex is signing with the Cardinals 3 years 30 million. No clue how well plugged in Davis is to things.

 

[drummer]

BTW, buddy of mine on another board posted a twitter rumor of Smith looking at a 3 year deal with AZ. Maybe the perceived lock at he being the starter in SF is not so set in stone.

Eric Davis tweeted Alex is signing with the Cardinals 3 years 30 million. No clue how well plugged in Davis is to things.

Davis does the radio broadcast with Ted Robinson (who I think is doing the Pirabas tennis this week), so this could be credible. Or in my case, INCREDIBLE.

 

[Shrugs]

BTW, buddy of mine on another board posted a twitter rumor of Smith looking at a 3 year deal with AZ. Maybe the perceived lock at he being the starter in SF is not so set in stone.

Eric Davis tweeted Alex is signing with the Cardinals 3 years 30 million. No clue how well plugged in Davis is to things.

I hope so. Manning time!

 

[drummer]

BTW, buddy of mine on another board posted a twitter rumor of Smith looking at a 3 year deal with AZ. Maybe the perceived lock at he being the starter in SF is not so set in stone.

Eric Davis tweeted Alex is signing with the Cardinals 3 years 30 million. No clue how well plugged in Davis is to things.

I hope so. Manning time!

I'm starting to think that a real possibility. But I can only dream at this point.

 

[thecatch]

BTW, buddy of mine on another board posted a twitter rumor of Smith looking at a 3 year deal with AZ. Maybe the perceived lock at he being the starter in SF is not so set in stone.

Eric Davis tweeted Alex is signing with the Cardinals 3 years 30 million. No clue how well plugged in Davis is to things.

Alex did well last year but I'm not going to weep if he leaves. However, I don't think Kaepernick is ready by any stretch. Maybe they'll pick up Hasslebeck if the Titans get Manning.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Yeah, if Alex leaves I think the fans will range from ecstatic to mildly disappointed but nobody is going to be torn up about it. I still think he's coming back.

 

[The Comedian]

Eric Davis did not tweet that. He re-tweeted some random guy with 100 tweets saying he had a "source" that said that. Not happening.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Eric Davis did not tweet that. He re-tweeted some random guy with 100 tweets saying he had a "source" that said that. Not happening.

Ah, good catch. Thank you. Well drummer can go cry now as it seems Smith is definitely returning.

 

[goldenchild]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

If Moss signed with SEA 49er fans would go "BWAHAHAHA CARROLL IS AN IDIOT BWAHAHAHA MOSS IS SOOOOO DONE BWAHAHAHA!" Now I catch hell because I didn't go "ZOMG! MOSS!"Sheesh.

So the only options for you are HEELLL YEEAAA or MEH? No wonder you were such a killjoy during this past amazing season. I'm basing my opinion on the glowing reports that Moss received during his workout with NO/SF and also the fact that SF evaluated him and felt the urgency to sign him to a favorable contract before he could leave the field on the same day as his workout. I have faith in Baalke and Co. that they did their due diligence and that they know something that we all don't. Why would they (especially Harbaugh) welcome someone that they feel will become a cancer to the team into their organization with such high expectations (read: pressure) for the upcoming season?But you would rather have Crab who disappeared in the NFC championship game over someone that is probably a first ballot HOF (pending how the rest of his career pans out) and who's got the resume to prove it... and who still seems to be in football shape? You can't blame Smith for that game b/c Davis went off that day, so you can't tell me that Smith couldn't deliver it... Now, to be clear... I'm just talking about this upcoming season. Obviously, Moss is an old man so of course Crab is the guy to want for the future...Are you saying you don't like this signing?By the way... in the Manning thread someone posted a recent article about 2 more teams (outside of DEN/TEN/MIA) have entered into the discussions.... Makes ya wonder.

 

[goldenchild]

No link... but I heard it through the grapvine that SF worked out Manning secretly yesterday and they were so impressed that they flew the medical team out for a physical.

 

[derek19]

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/report-harbaugh-had-secret-meeting-with-manning-this-week.html

interesting.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Come here and get a couple rings, then Kaep time.

 

[drummer]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

If Moss signed with SEA 49er fans would go "BWAHAHAHA CARROLL IS AN IDIOT BWAHAHAHA MOSS IS SOOOOO DONE BWAHAHAHA!" Now I catch hell because I didn't go "ZOMG! MOSS!"Sheesh.

So the only options for you are HEELLL YEEAAA or MEH? No wonder you were such a killjoy during this past amazing season. I'm basing my opinion on the glowing reports that Moss received during his workout with NO/SF and also the fact that SF evaluated him and felt the urgency to sign him to a favorable contract before he could leave the field on the same day as his workout. I have faith in Baalke and Co. that they did their due diligence and that they know something that we all don't. Why would they (especially Harbaugh) welcome someone that they feel will become a cancer to the team into their organization with such high expectations (read: pressure) for the upcoming season?But you would rather have Crab who disappeared in the NFC championship game over someone that is probably a first ballot HOF (pending how the rest of his career pans out) and who's got the resume to prove it... and who still seems to be in football shape? You can't blame Smith for that game b/c Davis went off that day, so you can't tell me that Smith couldn't deliver it... Now, to be clear... I'm just talking about this upcoming season. Obviously, Moss is an old man so of course Crab is the guy to want for the future...Are you saying you don't like this signing?By the way... in the Manning thread someone posted a recent article about 2 more teams (outside of DEN/TEN/MIA) have entered into the discussions.... Makes ya wonder.

Now I'm getting hell being a Crabs believer over a guy who has disappeared in games, teams, and the NFL entirely?Look, I asked if he was the best available FA WR. You said "negative". I also pointed out the QB situation in SF. If they get Peyton then the whole offense gets bumped big time because Peyton can read a defense, and those WR's will get the separation they didn't get with Smith. Randy Moss' name was pretty big at the time when he went to OAK. What happened there? Then he was paired with Tom Brady. 2010 to now? The only thing Moss has to prove different is that he doesn't quit. So you're asking me why I question that?

 

[goldenchild]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

If Moss signed with SEA 49er fans would go "BWAHAHAHA CARROLL IS AN IDIOT BWAHAHAHA MOSS IS SOOOOO DONE BWAHAHAHA!" Now I catch hell because I didn't go "ZOMG! MOSS!"Sheesh.

So the only options for you are HEELLL YEEAAA or MEH? No wonder you were such a killjoy during this past amazing season. I'm basing my opinion on the glowing reports that Moss received during his workout with NO/SF and also the fact that SF evaluated him and felt the urgency to sign him to a favorable contract before he could leave the field on the same day as his workout. I have faith in Baalke and Co. that they did their due diligence and that they know something that we all don't. Why would they (especially Harbaugh) welcome someone that they feel will become a cancer to the team into their organization with such high expectations (read: pressure) for the upcoming season?But you would rather have Crab who disappeared in the NFC championship game over someone that is probably a first ballot HOF (pending how the rest of his career pans out) and who's got the resume to prove it... and who still seems to be in football shape? You can't blame Smith for that game b/c Davis went off that day, so you can't tell me that Smith couldn't deliver it... Now, to be clear... I'm just talking about this upcoming season. Obviously, Moss is an old man so of course Crab is the guy to want for the future...Are you saying you don't like this signing?By the way... in the Manning thread someone posted a recent article about 2 more teams (outside of DEN/TEN/MIA) have entered into the discussions.... Makes ya wonder.

Now I'm getting hell being a Crabs believer over a guy who has disappeared in games, teams, and the NFL entirely?Look, I asked if he was the best available FA WR. You said "negative". I also pointed out the QB situation in SF. If they get Peyton then the whole offense gets bumped big time because Peyton can read a defense, and those WR's will get the separation they didn't get with Smith. Randy Moss' name was pretty big at the time when he went to OAK. What happened there? Then he was paired with Tom Brady. 2010 to now? The only thing Moss has to prove different is that he doesn't quit. So you're asking me why I question that?

So you conveniently omit 2007-2009? Riiigght... And I'm not giving you hell for believing in Crab. You brought him up.

 

[drummer]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

If Moss signed with SEA 49er fans would go "BWAHAHAHA CARROLL IS AN IDIOT BWAHAHAHA MOSS IS SOOOOO DONE BWAHAHAHA!" Now I catch hell because I didn't go "ZOMG! MOSS!"

Sheesh.

So the only options for you are HEELLL YEEAAA or MEH? No wonder you were such a killjoy during this past amazing season. I'm basing my opinion on the glowing reports that Moss received during his workout with NO/SF and also the fact that SF evaluated him and felt the urgency to sign him to a favorable contract before he could leave the field on the same day as his workout. I have faith in Baalke and Co. that they did their due diligence and that they know something that we all don't. Why would they (especially Harbaugh) welcome someone that they feel will become a cancer to the team into their organization with such high expectations (read: pressure) for the upcoming season?

But you would rather have Crab who disappeared in the NFC championship game over someone that is probably a first ballot HOF (pending how the rest of his career pans out) and who's got the resume to prove it... and who still seems to be in football shape? You can't blame Smith for that game b/c Davis went off that day, so you can't tell me that Smith couldn't deliver it...

Now, to be clear... I'm just talking about this upcoming season. Obviously, Moss is an old man so of course Crab is the guy to want for the future...

Are you saying you don't like this signing?

By the way... in the Manning thread someone posted a recent article about 2 more teams (outside of DEN/TEN/MIA) have entered into the discussions.... Makes ya wonder.

Now I'm getting hell being a Crabs believer over a guy who has disappeared in games, teams, and the NFL entirely?

Look, I asked if he was the best available FA WR. You said "negative". I also pointed out the QB situation in SF. If they get Peyton then the whole offense gets bumped big time because Peyton can read a defense, and those WR's will get the separation they didn't get with Smith.

Randy Moss' name was pretty big at the time when he went to OAK. What happened there? Then he was paired with Tom Brady. 2010 to now?

The only thing Moss has to prove different is that he doesn't quit. So you're asking me why I question that?

So you conveniently omit 2007-2009? Riiigght... And I'm not giving you hell for believing in Crab. You brought him up.

I think I brought up NE. I think. Yes you are giving me hell for Crabs. Try to keep up on your own trolling.

 

[5Rings]

Come here and get a couple rings, then Kaep time.

Exactly! 49ers jump into the Peyton Manning sweepstakes

Posted by Evan Silva on March 16, 2012, 2:18 PM EDT

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the San Francisco 49ers have emerged as one of the three finalists to sign free agent quarterback Peyton Manning.

The other two teams are the Denver Broncos and Tennessee Titans. According to Schefter, the Arizona Cardinals “have been advised that they are to proceed as if they will not get Peyton Manning.”

We already knew the Dolphins were out.

Schefter, who broke the 49ers news on SportsCenter early Friday afternoon, reported that San Francisco secretly sent club officials to watch Manning throw at Duke University on Tuesday night. The 49ers’ representatives were said to be “very impressed with what they saw.”

The Niners have already given Manning a physical.

And this explains whey they haven’t re-signed free agent quarterback Alex Smith yet.

 

[goldenchild]

I really, really, hate to do this but I'm going to side with drummer. I think Crabtree offers more upside at this point in their careers. And it's not because I think Crabtree is a future stud. I think Moss has a giant fork in his back. But at the contract they signed him to it's a worthy gamble and I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

If Moss signed with SEA 49er fans would go "BWAHAHAHA CARROLL IS AN IDIOT BWAHAHAHA MOSS IS SOOOOO DONE BWAHAHAHA!" Now I catch hell because I didn't go "ZOMG! MOSS!"

Sheesh.

So the only options for you are HEELLL YEEAAA or MEH? No wonder you were such a killjoy during this past amazing season. I'm basing my opinion on the glowing reports that Moss received during his workout with NO/SF and also the fact that SF evaluated him and felt the urgency to sign him to a favorable contract before he could leave the field on the same day as his workout. I have faith in Baalke and Co. that they did their due diligence and that they know something that we all don't. Why would they (especially Harbaugh) welcome someone that they feel will become a cancer to the team into their organization with such high expectations (read: pressure) for the upcoming season?

But you would rather have Crab who disappeared in the NFC championship game over someone that is probably a first ballot HOF (pending how the rest of his career pans out) and who's got the resume to prove it... and who still seems to be in football shape? You can't blame Smith for that game b/c Davis went off that day, so you can't tell me that Smith couldn't deliver it...

Now, to be clear... I'm just talking about this upcoming season. Obviously, Moss is an old man so of course Crab is the guy to want for the future...

Are you saying you don't like this signing?

By the way... in the Manning thread someone posted a recent article about 2 more teams (outside of DEN/TEN/MIA) have entered into the discussions.... Makes ya wonder.

Now I'm getting hell being a Crabs believer over a guy who has disappeared in games, teams, and the NFL entirely?

Look, I asked if he was the best available FA WR. You said "negative". I also pointed out the QB situation in SF. If they get Peyton then the whole offense gets bumped big time because Peyton can read a defense, and those WR's will get the separation they didn't get with Smith.

Randy Moss' name was pretty big at the time when he went to OAK. What happened there? Then he was paired with Tom Brady. 2010 to now?

The only thing Moss has to prove different is that he doesn't quit. So you're asking me why I question that?

So you conveniently omit 2007-2009? Riiigght... And I'm not giving you hell for believing in Crab. You brought him up.

I think I brought up NE. I think. Yes you are giving me hell for Crabs. Try to keep up on your own trolling.

So if someone doesn't agree with you, then they're trolling? Got it.You want to talk about OAK... I'm pretty sure that his stint in NE came AFTER OAK, so what does that tell you about what you can expect in SF? Exactly.