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***Official Lord Stanley's Cup Playoff Thread: Getzlaf 15 charges four game 6 tickets, a limo, and five steak sandwiches to Cav's room. FBG CORNHOLE A (1 Viewer)

Who wins the 2017 Stanley Cup playoffs?

  • Capitals

    Votes: 31 23.8%
  • Penguins

    Votes: 25 19.2%
  • Habitants

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Rangers

    Votes: 8 6.2%
  • Bruins

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Senators

    Votes: 2 1.5%
  • Blue Jackets

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Blackhawks

    Votes: 12 9.2%
  • Predators

    Votes: 14 10.8%
  • Blues

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Wild

    Votes: 12 9.2%
  • Flames

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sharks

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Oilers

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Ducks

    Votes: 6 4.6%

  • Total voters
    130
Sheriff66 said:
People actually thought those chokers were going to win a Cup???? LMMFAO When will this place ever learn, Crapitals are a joke organization and ALWAYS WILL BE!! Jokevechkin just looks old and tired, a complete non factor 3rd line bum . Whole team is a bunch of Choking Dog wannabes that will never win ANYTHING...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Let's be honest.  Both of us know what I have to do here.

You've come to this page to see me write that the Capitals are — well, you know what they are.

And I have to write it, because I write it every year.

Because they do it every year.

Same old story: What's red, white and blue, and plays golf in April?

Excuse me, what's bronze, white and blue, and plays golf in April?

The Washington Capitals.

Choking Dogs.

I wrote it in small type, because this wasn't even one of their big chokes. As a historian of their gags, I don't put this in their top five. It doesn't rank with the 1987 foldo against the Islanders, when they lost the last three games — and Game 7 in four overtimes at home! Nor does it rank with the choke jobs against Pittsburgh in 1992 and '95, when they held 3-1 leads. I don't think it was as big a choke as the one in 1985, when a Caps team that had 101 points in the regular season blew a 2-0 lead, and lost three straight to the Islanders under the old, best-of-five format. I'll argue this wasn't as big a choke as in 1988, when the Caps lost three straight home games to the Devils.

But this was more than a hiccup.

I know all about the injuries. I know all about how Pittsburgh was a better team.

But the Capitals don't get off the hook simply because they lost to a better team — not when they put themselves in position to win. Individually, any one game may not have been choked, but collectively . . . .

The Caps were ahead 2-love in games and coming home! They had three of the next four at home, and they lost them all. In the critical Game 4, the game the Capitals absolutely, positively had to win to stay in the series, because they couldn't possibly depend on a team as good as Pittsburgh to lose three straight at home — the critical Game 4, the game the Capitals HAD to win to dispel the doubts, including their own — in that critical Game 4, the Caps held a two-goal lead, and lost slowly, agonizingly, in four overtimes.

Only a homer would say that's not choking.

You'd say it about Montreal, up 2-love, coming home.

It's the same with the Capitals. They had momentum, but they couldn't close. They couldn't push the puck past a second-string goalie. It's not what they gave up, it's what they didn't get.

Where the heck are the goal scorers?

(On other teams is where, right, David?)

Pittsburgh is allergic to defense. The Capitals outshot the Penguins 249-206. Shots, they got. If they had any real scorers besides Bondra, they would have won the thing.

Why can't the general manager bring in some scorers?

The Caps are gritty out of necessity. It's a virtue to work hard, but the Capitals have to out-work the other teams because management hasn't assembled enough gifted players to out-skate other teams.

You know, calling the Caps "Choking Dogs" used to be funny. But it isn't any more. Because it has been happening for 12 years. In nine of their past 12 playoffs the Capitals have either frittered away a substantial playoff lead or lost to a team they finished above in the regular season.

And it's not because of the Capitals' goalies.

It's because the Caps make everybody else's goalie look like Jacques Plante.

The coach of this team, Jim Schoenfeld, did a terrific job. He was outmanned and outgunned by Pittsburgh from here to the Pennsylvania border, yet he prepared his team so well they were able to win the first two games and stay competitive in two others. Considering all the injuries, Schoenfeld was like an Indy 500 mechanic who has to patch tires with bubble gum and spit. He's a keeper.

The Capitals' problem isn't the players they have — they tried their best — it's the players they don't have. The Messiers, the Lindroses, the Lemieuxs. The ones that can win Cups.

The GM brings in good players, but never great ones. The Caps have been treading water for years now; it appears it's getting harder and harder to bob above the surface.

The fans know this. They see the owner's money going to Chris Webber and Juwan Howard, and they question whether there's any left for comparable hockey talent. It doesn't look that way. It doesn't look as if the owner has made the same commitment to the Capitals as he has to the Bullets. (If he has, then what's the GM doing? Every year around the trading deadline, goal scorers start falling out of trees. How can the Caps be the only team that doesn't catch one?)

What it looks like is that the owner's happy to simply make the playoffs — first round and out is okay. That's why almost nobody in town believes in the Caps. That's why almost nobody in town thought the Capitals would actually win the series against Pittsburgh, even when they were ahead 2-0. Capitals fans have been conditioned by past failures to expect the worst, to expect: choking dogs.

The truth is that the blame lies with management more than with the players. The Capitals' organization has failed to improve this team. They fiddle while Rome burns.

Yesterday I was talking to a former Caps player, who told me of the torture of Game 4. He spoke of the crushing bad luck that always befalls the Capitals, from Pat LaFontaine to Petr Nedved. He spoke of Joe Juneau getting the first playoff overtime penalty shot in the whole history of the NHL, how Juneau had the series on his stick, and how, incomprehensibly, the puck began bouncing around like a Spaldeen and Juneau couldn't get off a shot. Bad luck. The former Cap looked at me with dark eyes, and asked plaintively, "Why can't they ever get some good luck?"

Good teams make their own good luck.
Could really use an update, but kind of amazing how you just need to change some names and a few details here and there and it still seems to fit perfectly.

Welcome back!

 
And one more thing while I'm here, let's not ever...EVVVVVVER bring up Chokevechkins name in the same breath as the great Sidney Crosby again, there really is no comparison between the Pittsburgh thoroghbreed and the DC grey haired jacka$$, they are not close to being on the same level anymore

 
Posted something similar earlier in the playoffs, but ...

Someone is going to really overpay for Shattenkirk this offseason, and I hope it's not the Bruins.

 
How deep do you want me to go?  it's not intangibles.  It's Xs and Os.

Actually, just read this link for the Xs and Os and how they are similar for Pens and Caps.  http://thesportsdaily.com/the-pensblog/pens-vs-caps-xs-os-breakdown-what-to-watch-for/

The Caps put their goalie under more pressure because of how they stretch the ice.  They give up more odd man rushes.  And WSH relies heavily on power play goals when they play quality opponents.  Those power plays don't work so well in the postseason when you get less and the other team is racheting up the power play defense. As stated in this article, essentially the team that protected the puck better was going to win this series.  And you can go game by game to see that was the case, and to see that PIT changed their D structure to force all the WAS shots form the outside when they were at even strength.  Trots should know 5 o 5 was where this game would be won or lost, and he needed to be more defensive minded rather than stretchng the D up ice (especially with how bad Shat and Orpik are at getting back) and giving up too many odd man rushes.  Essentially his strategy was the same as all year, but against a team like PIT (and TOR) that is asking Holtby to do too much.
not sure why you edited and didn't make a new post, I almost missed this.

I hate to break it to you and the blogger who wrote that before the series, but the Caps gave up the lowest and least amount of quality scoring chances of any team in the second round.  Pens expected goals for per 60 was below 2.  that's ridiculously good.  other than Anaheim, they had the highest expected goals for per 60 of any team in the second round.  they got to the deadly areas and kept Pittsburgh out of them.  that happened.  that happened all series.  the only time they were giving up lopsided odd man rushes was when they were down and pressing late.

not sure if you want Trotz to grab a stick and finish those chances himself, but he can't do any more than what he did.  in fact, the one major personnel move Trotz made worked out brilliantly.  go ahead, blame literally anyone but him.  blaming curses or magic even makes more sense than that. 

and no one ratchets up their "power play defense" in the playoffs (by the way they were 22% for the series on the PP which is good).  also, see penalty kill. 

 
As stated in this article, essentially the team that protected the puck better was going to win this series.  And you can go game by game to see that was the case, and to see that PIT changed their D structure to force all the WAS shots form the outside when they were at even strength.
protecting the puck = possession.

possession = more shot attempts and fewer shots allowed

Caps had way more attempts, and based on expected goals for, they were not from the outside. this is just completely wrong.

looked to me like Pitt was pretty aggressive with their defense, which helped them create the turnovers that led to both goals last night. still some pretty unlucky things had to happen for them to not score themselves (and Fleury obviously).

 
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Ovechkin not going to worlds because of a lower body injury.  if he's not going, it must be somewhat significant.  guy always plays worlds. 

 
Speaking of curses.... The Curse Of Dale Hunter? Take that thug's number down from the rafters (maybe replace it with the 2017 President's Cup banner?) and good things will happen.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
I hear what you're saying, but this isn't the NBA. We don't need storylines.
ESPN disagrees. They'll shove a storyline so far up your ### you won't even remember there's a game coming up.

 
Wilkins didnt really have anyone to play with. Spud Webb, Kevin Willis, Jon Koncak, an old Moses malone

the Caps have Burakovsky. Nuff said
I'll give you that, but both are lacking Brasky's test icles, I mean intangibles to make them a champion.  

Getzlaf has carried the Ducks on his back since Feb 1. Chokevechkin demoted to 3rd line and 7th in TOI.

ETA:  Was also impressed by the Oilers and their team makeup and will. Did not surprise me that Game 7 was 1-1 going into 3rd.

 
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Biggest factor in Pens - Caps series was Flower significantly outplaying Holtby IMO. Caps outplayed Pittsburgh for most of the series, particularly early in games, and Fleury kept them in it. Except for the bad stretch from the midpoint of game 5 through game 6, he was easily the best player in the ice overall. It's really gonna suck to see him in another uniform next year.

And yeah, Ovechkin particularly sucked last night -- very well earned (-2) for him. Think he might be hurt more seriously than we know, but at some point the excuses just need to be put away; guy just isn't a playoff player.

 
but at some point the excuses just need to be put away; guy just isn't a playoff player.
say what you will about him, but he has always been a fairly one dimensional winger and with 90 points and 46 goals in 97 playoff games, he's performing to that one dimension pretty damn well.  you can say you expect more and maybe in his 20s that's true, but those are very good numbers. 

 
say what you will about him, but he has always been a fairly one dimensional winger and with 90 points and 46 goals in 97 playoff games, he's performing to that one dimension pretty damn well.  you can say you expect more and maybe in his 20s that's true, but those are very good numbers. 
I know, over his career the numbers are fine, but still, it's nothing that I care to dig into and quantify, but as a Pens fan, I've seen plenty of him in the playoffs over the years, and he just doesn't seem to score important goals. He looks great when he gets fed the puck at that left circle on the PP, but 5 on 5 he doesn't do as much, he takes a lot of bad penalties, and defensively the effort isn't there consistently. He'd rather get the crowd up on their feet with the big hit as opposed to just playing fundamentally solid defensive hockey.  He doesn't spend nearly enough time at the top of the crease either IMO. At this point, I wouldn't want to build a team around a guy like him -- great for selling tickets and merch in the regular season, but not a guy to carry a team in May. And carrying a team in May is really what a guy of his stature needs to be doing IMO.

 
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Heard on the radio that Ovechkin has been taking "pain-numbing agents" for a lower body injury. Presumably the knee injury he suffered against the Leafs is worse than anyone realized. He won't be joining Russia in the worlds.

But, you know, he's a choker and not gritty.

Edit: Sorry, Brasky ... Missed your earlier post on this.

 
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Heard on the radio that Ovechkin has been taking "pain-numbing agents" for a lower body injury. Presumably the knee injury he suffered against the Leafs is worse than anyone realized. He won't be joining Russia in the worlds.

But, you know, he's a choker and not gritty.
He hasn't looked right since the hit in the Toronto series.

 
Heard on the radio that Ovechkin has been taking "pain-numbing agents" for a lower body injury. Presumably the knee injury he suffered against the Leafs is worse than anyone realized. He won't be joining Russia in the worlds.

But, you know, he's a choker and not gritty.
Playing hurt or not, the half-a$$ed clearing attempt that led to the insurance goal in the 3rd was brutal.

 
Playing hurt or not, the half-a$$ed clearing attempt that led to the insurance goal in the 3rd was brutal.
Just rewatched this. Shattenkirk chips the puck off the boards and Ovechkin tried to lunge for it with his stick but Schultz(?) beats him to it. Watch the replay, he looks like he can barely move at that point.

Shattenkirk's clearing attempt going 10 feet was the "half-assed play" there.

 
I know, over his career the numbers are fine, but still, it's nothing that I care to dig into and quantify, but as a Pens fan, I've seen plenty of him in the playoffs over the years, and he just doesn't seem to score important goals. He looks great when he gets fed the puck at that left circle on the PP, but 5 on 5 he doesn't do as much, he takes a lot of bad penalties, and defensively the effort isn't there consistently. He'd rather get the crowd up on their feet with the big hit as opposed to just playing fundamentally solid defensive hockey.  He doesn't spend nearly enough time at the top of the crease either IMO. At this point, I wouldn't want to build a team around a guy like him -- great for selling tickets and merch in the regular season, but not a guy to carry a team in May. And carrying a team in May is really what a guy of his stature needs to be doing IMO.
you're losing me again.  is hitting bad or something?  why would he be making a living in the crease, he's a shooter.  again, he's a winger, he's not being relied upon defensively.  he's a much more physical version of Kessel.  do you want him grinding away in front of the net too? 

I don't understand why people expect him to turn into some superman in the playoffs.  he's still the same guy there too.

 
I mean, he essentially had the game tied and somehow the puck hit the shaft of Fleury's stick instead of going into the wide-open net.

I guess you can call that "choking". How else can you explain it?

 
you're losing me again.  is hitting bad or something?  why would he be making a living in the crease, he's a shooter.  again, he's a winger, he's not being relied upon defensively.  he's a much more physical version of Kessel.  do you want him grinding away in front of the net too? 

I don't understand why people expect him to turn into some superman in the playoffs.  he's still the same guy there too.
Of course hitting isn't bad, but it's not as important as moving your feet in your own end, winning battles along the boards, and making sure that you take care of your responsibilities on the back check. And yeah, I think that he, and anyone else for that matter, should be in there trying to bang in rebounds or deflect shots when need be in a game 7. Not as his designated location on set plays on the PP of course, but watching him he doesn't seem to want to be as physical as he can be, except on his own terms.

As far as "turning into Superman?" Well, he's a first ballot HOF-level player, and yeah, I expect those guys to elevate their game in the playoffs and carry their teams when that is necessary. And he hasn't to this point. He hasn't even consistently been the best guy on his own team in those situations the last few years IMO.

 

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