Zyphros said:
Shutout said:
Crippler said:
Perriman for many reasons
1. Better QB IMO. Bradford sucks and can he stay healthy. than you get Sanchez. What is the future. I like joe Flacco.
2. O philosophy. I know Chip wants to play fast paced but he also wants to run a ton. Why they have 3 nice RB's. Baltimore is run but Trestman loves the air as the new OC.
3. More chances. Smith is old and Matthews/Ertz in play also in Philly. Plus his boy Huff. What competition does Perriman have other than old man Steve and Madd Maxx now. I like opp in Baltimore.
4. Great learning tool in Steve Smith. I think this will be big for Perriman for his upside.
5. Size and Speed. Give me both of those things in a player. I think the other stuff can be taught. Plus I like his family pedigree.
6. USC WR. The past speaks volumes of these guys. Agholor reminds me of many that have come in and they dont see to do that well.
I know the hands has been questioned but I dont think the issue is hands as much as concentration for the Stephon HIll comment. Smith will help concentration. Great start to his rookie camp for the hands. One drop for concentration. I really think he overcomes this and his ceiling is way higher than Agholor's down the line. Give me the guy with a top 10 Chance over the WR who probably will be top 25 but how much higher.
This is the exact answer.Everything for Perriman screams more opportunity and better, more stable QB and coaches. The addition to Trestman alone is noteworthy, not to mention Flacco and Harbaugh who aren't going anywhere soon.
Thriftyrocker is dead on: Perriman is in a K. Benjamin situation, except he has better coaching and long ball QB.
Perriman, by his physical nature is RARE. He can be Josh Gordon (hold on, someone's at the door...come in Soulfly).
This is the exactly WRONG answer. It's Agholor by a full round in rookie drafts.1. Better QB is a wasteful argument because Bradford has all the tools and
the only thing stopping him from being a top10 QB is health. Not to mention that Sanchez was very servicable and productive in his short stint as starter.
2. The O philosophy changes with personnel and even when they had McCoy the WR's we're very good. With Matthews being a rookie that year he had a solid year and is only going to get better with an equally great rookie across from him.
3. More chances? How can you say that when you just said Chip wants fast paced offense? I don't even need to pick that one apart. There's plenty of touches to go around especially to a very good route runner coming in like Agholor. Chip's offense it timing based, and if Agholor is always in that spot at that time, he'll be productive.
4. Agholor doesn't need a "great learning tool" when his work ethic is unquestioned. He is known for that which makes him a great pick.
5. Sure Perriman is bigger/faster but Agholor is no slouch in that department either. He ran a 4.42 which isn't slow and he has a natural feel for the game. Better football player overall than Perriman.
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The whole USC thing is overblown. Evaluate each prospect separate from team dynamic and you have an un-biased result. And for those that want to compare to Lee, he didn't have a bad rookie year either and is a foundation piece for the Jags, again great work ethic and solid route running, he will start to shine soon.
There is no ceiling for a guy who runs great routes and catches everything...
You're just looking it as a 5'11 receiver vs. a 6'2 receiver. The ceiling is how they play. Agholor plays with a fire and a competitive edge to him, Perriman doesn't (at least from what I've seen). You can't necessarily put a "ceiling" on it because the game is built for receivers. Again it's not even close for me. Agholor takes the cake.
1. Shew...well, its a good thing that "only thing" (health) really doesn't matter much. Come on. You can't be serious. That's like saying "That dude would be a great race car driver if he knew how to drive...or had a license. you categorically stating that the only thing keeping him from being a top 10 QB is health tells us two things: A)That you don't understand the importance of health as it relates and B) that you are wearing some rose colored glasses because it is really difficult to say that you just KNOW a guy will be a top 10 NFL Qb in a league full of Brady, Manning, Luck, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, Tannehill, Big Ben, Romo, Flacco, Newton, Ryan, Stafford, Rivers (exactly which FIVE of those guys are you putting Bradford ahead of here to make top 10?). Clearly, you are just looking at "oh my gosh, it's a chip Kelly offense because you miss the bigger point. This is a dynasty question and Sanchez was "so good" that he was universally being called out as the reason the Eagles flopping down the stretch. There will be no Chip Kelly in Philly if he doesn't win in real life. 2. I never said a thing about a USC receiver so take that up with someone else.
3. When people make statements that say "I am doing this", it tells me you assume way too much because you have no idea what I am basing this on. To be clear, it has very little to do with size comparisons. What I have said several times is it is the complete picture:
Player vs. Player-both have qualities the other doesn't have but only one has the ability to be taught what the other doesn't. Quality coaches (e.g., Trestman, Harbaugh, etc) can work on foot work and catching and routes.. That is why they are called coaches. If you want to say "well, it didn't work with DHB or some guy, tell me-who was the outstanding coach working with DHB? Agholor can't be taught to be one of the fastest WRs in the NFL the minute he steps on a field or to be 5 inches taller. This stuff matters!
Coaches vs. Coaches- Chip Kelly is great for fantasy but until he wins in the NFL, he's not as good a dynasty investment as Baltimore because the Ravens, love them or hate them, are ROCK SOLID. Awesome GM, SB winning coach, and an OC that can hang with Kelly. No contest.
Environment-Another no contest. Perriman gets the benefit of learning from one of the most competitive peers he could ask for in Smith. He also has almost literally zero competition. He also has a SB winning QB who has refined the deep ball aspect of his game for the past 4 years. It is tried, tested, and true. And as an aside, the Ravens said they want to limit the snaps of the only WR competition Perriman has. Agholor, conversely, was a guy named Jordan Matthews a year ago. 365 days ago, Matthews WAS Agholor. He was the guy Chip wanted and he was going to replace player X perfectly and fit the system beautifully, etc. Ok, so where do all these balls go on a team with a mega investment in a particular pair of RBs (that Chip wanted), a 2nd year Wr (that chip wanted), a 3rd year TE (that chip has already said will take a step this year), and Agholor?
To me, this could not be any simpler. There is NO way these two should be this much of a toss up. This is just justifying the guy you picked, whichever side you land on. It is the antithesis of the reasoning of, say, had Jay Ajayi went to Dallas. Had he went, nobody would care about knees or rounds drafted and all that. All that would have mattered would have been that the situation he fell into would trump all else. But instead, everyone discounts Jay and completely overlooks the guys that are actually on the team behind the great environment of support.
I won't argue anyone who says Agholor in redraft but in dynasty, it's silly to take Agholor over Perriman because it is probably at least a 3 to 1 chance that, in as little as 3 years, The Eagles have EITHER moved on from Chip or drafted another WR or two or found that Ertz and Matthews and Murray are the 1-2-3 options in that offense or are in year 2 of yet another QB, etc while in 3 years, it is highly likely that Flacco is still there, Ozzie Newsome and Harbaugh are still there, Perriman is now the veteran WR1 established on the team, etc.
