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To help encourage people to provide feedback on questions in the ACF, please be sure to include:- Size of League (Number of Teams)- Type of League (Dynasty, Redraft, etc.)- Weekly Starting Requirements- Scoring System- Your Entire Roster (if looking to drop Player A for Player B)This way, those that are reading your post can have a much better idea of what to recommend without guessing.You may also want to indicate what you are leaning toward or might be intending to do.

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14 Teams.

Redraft.

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF.

1 pt. per reception.

6 points per touchdown (1 pt. bonus over 50 yards, 2 pt. bonus over 60 yards)

1 pont per 10 yards rushing/receiving.

1 point per 30 yards passing.

No interception penalty.

Usual field goal points.

16 points for shutout, 10 points 1-6 points allowed.

QBs-Favre, Leftwich

RBs-Barber, Westbrook, Anderson, S. Davis

WRs-Coles, McCardell, Travis Taylor, Crayton, Frisman (had Walker)

TE-Shockey, Franks

K-Kaeding

D-Bears

Should I trade Stephen Davis for Kennison? Serious WR trouble here.

terrible trade

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Should I start Dwayne Bowe or Isaac Bruce?

10 Teams

QB,RB,WR,Flex,Flex,TE,K,D

1pt/10 yds rushing and receiving, 3pt/100+ yds, 1pt/reception, 6pt/TD, -1pt/fumble,

Roster

QB David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Matt Shaub

RB DeAngelo Williams, Chris Johnson, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Michael Bush

WR Dwayne Bowe, Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, Donny Avery, Laurent Robinson

TE Zach Miller

K Nate Kaeding

TD Eagles

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I tend to check in here more in the offseason. The Fall & early Winter is always busy for me with my endless pursuit of migratory fish, hunting, managing several fantasy leagues and chasing fat chicks.

Da U.P. eh?

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In a 10 team PPR league. Picking our draft order this week and I'm looking to get two rb's in the first two rounds. I have Ridley as a keeper so I'm looking to load up on rb's. We will get a chance to pick our soots this year instead of random. If I get an early chance to pick my spot I've been leaning towards going around 8th instead of early. Looking to get a Rice or McCoy combo with SJax or Forte. Better to try and go this way or go for picks 2,3 or 4 and follow it up with Bush, CJ or MJD?

Thanks

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Honestly I just reply to everyone that I can. It's not hard to think about and come up with an answer.

Besides, What's the point about complaining about people who come to the forum for advice? Sometimes people just are looking for someone to talk a little so they can get a second opinion on big matters.

Too many people on this forum read people's questions and don't reply. It's pretty dry here.

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I want to Trade Martellus Bennett for Jamaal Charles and feel like i need to before Jamaal plays. Im in a 10 team .5 ppr league lineup is as follows

Qb: Russel Wilson

Wr: Julio Jones 

Wr: Terrelle Pryor

Rb Jordan Howard

Rb Arian foster

Te Jordan Reed 

Flex Willie Snead

Bench Giovanni Bernard, Bilal Powell, Devonte Booker, Quincy Enuwa and Alfed Morris

Thanks for the Help!

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David,Thanks. I'd like to offer another if I could - please list the opponents of the players you are considering, and whether it's a home or road game (vs. Sea, at Bal, etc). This can often be the deciding factor if it's truly a toss-up decision.

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Scoring System

Head-to-Head, Points Based System.

Scoring per Period

Scoring based on total stats each period.

Matchup Tiebreaker

Ties go to the team with more points from Reserves.

Standings Tiebreaker

Ties in the standings are resolved in this order: Winning Percentage, Head to Head Record, Division Record, Total Points, Points Against (Schedule Difficulty).

Scoring System

Scoring for Offensive Categories

Name

Settings

FG

Field Goals

3 points

Plus 1 point for a FG of 35 to 45 Yds

Plus 2 points for a FG of 46 to 51 Yds

Plus 3 points for a FG of 52 to 60 Yds

Plus 5 points for a FG of 61+ Yds

FGB

Field Goals Blocked (Kicker)

-2 points

FL

Fumble Lost, Including ST plays

-2 points

MFG

Missed Field Goal

-3 points

Plus 1 point for a MFG of 41 to 50 Yds

Plus 2 points for a MFG of 51+ Yds

MXP

Missed Extra Point

-3 points

Pa2P

Passing Two-point Conversion

2 points

PaInt

Passing Interception

-2 points

PaTD

Passing TD

6 points

Plus 1 point for a PaTD of 35 to 50 Yds

Plus 2 points for a PaTD of 51+ Yds

PaYd

Passing Yards

0+ PaYds = 1 point for every 25 PaYds

Plus a 3 point bonus @ 300+ PaYd

Plus a 2 point bonus @ 400+ PaYd

Re20

Reception of 20+ Yards

1 point

Re2P

Receiving Two-point Conversion

2 points

Re40

Reception of 40+ Yards

2 points

ReTD

Receiving TD

6 points

Plus 1 point for a ReTD of 30 to 40 Yds

Plus 2 points for a ReTD of 41 to 50 Yds

Plus 3 points for a ReTD of 51+ Yds

ReYd

Receiving Yards

0+ ReYds = 1 point for every 10 ReYds

Plus a 3 point bonus @ 100+ ReYd

Plus a 1 point bonus @ 150+ ReYd

Plus a 1 point bonus @ 200+ ReYd

Plus a 2 point bonus @ 250+ ReYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 300+ ReYd

Recpt

Reception

1+ Recpt = 1 point for every 1 Recpt

Plus a 2 point bonus @ 10+ Recpt

Ru20

Rush for 20+ Yards

1 point

Ru2P

Rushing Two-point Conversion

2 points

RuTD

Rushing TD

6 points

Plus 1 point for a RuTD of 40 to 50 Yds

Plus 2 points for a RuTD of 51 to 60 Yds

Plus 3 points for a RuTD of 61+ Yds

RuYd

Rushing Yards

0+ RuYds = 1 point for every 10 RuYds

Plus a 3 point bonus @ 100+ RuYd

Plus a 1 point bonus @ 150+ RuYd

Plus a 1 point bonus @ 200+ RuYd

Plus a 2 point bonus @ 250+ RuYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 300+ RuYd

XP

Extra Points

1 point

XPB

Extra Point Blocked (Kicker)

-2 points

Scoring for Defensive Categories

Name

Settings

BFB

Blocked Field Goals (ID/ST/DST)

3 points

BP

Blocked Punts (ID/ST/DST)

3 points

BXP

Blocked Extra Points (ID/ST/DST)

3 points

DFR

Defensive/ST Fumble Recovered (ID/DT/DST)

2 points

DTD

Total Defensive and Special Teams TD

6 points

Plus 1 point for a DTD of 40 to 59 Yds

Plus 2 points for a DTD of 60+ Yds

FF

Forced Fumble

1 point

Int

Interceptions

2 points

PA

Points Against, Total Points Scored

0 - 6 PA = 8 points

7 - 13 PA = 6 points

14 - 20 PA = 4 points

21 - 27 PA = 2 points

SACK

Sack

1 point

STY

Safety

10 points

YDS

Yards Allowed

0 - 49 YDSs = 12 points

50 - 99 YDSs = 10 points

100 - 149 YDSs = 8 points

150 - 199 YDSs = 6 points

200 - 249 YDSs = 4 points

250 - 299 YDSs = 2 points

Just looking for some advice/comments/etc... on my week 12 line-up

Leave a link and I will return the favor!

QB Schaub, Matt @DET

RB Martin, Doug vs ATL

RB Rice, Ray @SD

WR Cruz, Victor vs GB

WR Shorts, Cecil vs TEN

TE Clark,Dallas vs ATL

RB-WR-TE Austin, Miles vs WAS

DST Cardinals D vs STL

K Graham, Shayne @DET

Bench

Palmer,Carson @ CIn

Rivers, Philip vs BAL

Alexander, Danario vs BAL

Fitzgerald, Larry vs STL

Bennett, Martellus vs GB

Ballard, Vick vs BUF

Packers D @ NYG

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First names and last names. No nicknames.

I don't know who Jackson is. I don't know who Chocolate Swirl is.

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wasn't exactly sure where to post this so I though I'd stick it here...hopefully I get a response.

Is there a way to see how many posts members have? I don't know if I need to tweak my settings or what. I would just like to know the credibility of who is responding to posts. This feature is on most message boards, thought it was odd when I didn't see it here.

Thanks

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HELP!!!!!!!I have Alexander, Jordan and Dominic Davis. I know Jordan is out. Any word on Davis? If Davis doesn't play any one you suggest to pick up. FisherMarion BarberBarlowGore Greg JonesWells

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14 Teams.Redraft. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF.1 pt. per reception.6 points per touchdown (1 pt. bonus over 50 yards, 2 pt. bonus over 60 yards)1 pont per 10 yards rushing/receiving.1 point per 30 yards passing.No interception penalty.Usual field goal points. 16 points for shutout, 10 points 1-6 points allowed. QBs-Favre, LeftwichRBs-Barber, Westbrook, Anderson, S. DavisWRs-Coles, McCardell, Travis Taylor, Crayton, Frisman (had Walker)TE-Shockey, FranksK-KaedingD-Bears Should I trade Stephen Davis for Kennison? Serious WR trouble here.

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I am in a 16 team league that is quite different than most leagues as rushing TDs are 6 pts and all passing and receiving tds are only 3. Obviously the league is heavily weighted towards RBs, even to the point a couple of years ago that the firs t20 picks were all RBS.The league is not a re-draft or dynasty league. We start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 D/ST and 1 K.Just like 2 years ago, I have the #1 pick. And just like 2 years ago, I will likely take LT... but thats the easy part. What to do at 32/33 and again at 64/65 is whats the toughest thing. 2 years ago, I took 2 marginal starting RBs (hoping 1 would be a solid starter each week), but both Zeroeue and A Train flopped. Then, in a calculated risk, I took Vick (who was hurt) and Hesselbeck with my next 2 picks. I am not sure that this strategy is the right one. Last year, the team that drafted 1st took Holt and Chad Johnson with his next 2, eventually trading one to get a 2nd RB. Do you think this is a good strategy?Inanalyzing my leagues last 3 drafts and using your VBD, it seems that the best VALUE at 32/33 is a WR then an RB, and at 64/65 is another WR and RB. I am totally confused on whats the best approach.Any thoughts????

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I like to know WHY they want to make the trade. Are they trying to get a specific player or a generic upgrade. Alot of trading is about the owner, so anything you can tell us would be extremely helpful, especially if they are a homer. I 've run across homerism for the first time and my gawd it makes trading difficult. Very few answers are worse than "thanks for the great offer, but I refuse to have any players from [insert team] on my team" or "thanks for the great offer, but I do not trade away players from [insert team]".

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First of all, there are far too many people on here that are simply looking for awnsers to ther questions and want no part of offering advice on others questions or posts. also, as someone that has strong opinions and likes to express them, I often enjoy posting my thoughts on others questions. The "exchange" of " look at my post and ill awnser yours" seems .... insulting to me. I look forward to the opportunity to help people and offer my advice. Like an offer or bribe in the headline to "reply to mine" should be leverage to get a response in the first place is silly, and additionallly it is very rarely followed through on. And fianlly, why do so many people read the threads but refuse to take the time to post a short opinion? If you are there reading it, why not simply post a short reply with a little back up to their opinion. Seeing that 18 people had viewed your post and you have one response is almost as Frustrating as the one response bieng "Yes, do it. Please see my post" If everyone was more participative and involved and was a littel more certious with the posts and replies this could be a better experience for all of us.

I agree but not many people are willing to respond with that type of detail. Most of us have busy lives and only have time to write a couple sentences. That doesn't make the advice any less valid. Obviously the more detail the better, but be realistic. Most people can't or won't spend their lives waiting for a reply on their posts. I love fantasy football, but I love other areas of my life too."I'll respond to yours" shouldn't be insulting.

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First of all, there are far too many people on here that are simply looking for awnsers to ther questions and want no part of offering advice on others questions or posts. also, as someone that has strong opinions and likes to express them, I often enjoy posting my thoughts on others questions. The "exchange" of " look at my post and ill awnser yours" seems .... insulting to me. I look forward to the opportunity to help people and offer my advice. Like an offer or bribe in the headline to "reply to mine" should be leverage to get a response in the first place is silly, and additionallly it is very rarely followed through on. And fianlly, why do so many people read the threads but refuse to take the time to post a short opinion? If you are there reading it, why not simply post a short reply with a little back up to their opinion. Seeing that 18 people had viewed your post and you have one response is almost as Frustrating as the one response bieng "Yes, do it. Please see my post" If everyone was more participative and involved and was a littel more certious with the posts and replies this could be a better experience for all of us.

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Posting a link is helpful, but if you are posting please take the time to answer a few threads regardless of a link in yours

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First of all, there are far too many people on here that are simply looking for awnsers to ther questions and want no part of offering advice on others questions or posts. also, as someone that has strong opinions and likes to express them, I often enjoy posting my thoughts on others questions. The "exchange" of " look at my post and ill awnser yours" seems .... insulting to me. I look forward to the opportunity to help people and offer my advice. Like an offer or bribe in the headline to "reply to mine" should be leverage to get a response in the first place is silly, and additionallly it is very rarely followed through on. And fianlly, why do so many people read the threads but refuse to take the time to post a short opinion? If you are there reading it, why not simply post a short reply with a little back up to their opinion. Seeing that 18 people had viewed your post and you have one response is almost as Frustrating as the one response bieng "Yes, do it. Please see my post" If everyone was more participative and involved and was a littel more certious with the posts and replies this could be a better experience for all of us.

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In a dynasty league should I trade Larry Johnson and Antonio Bryant for Jamal Lewis, Jerious Norwood, and Lance Moore?I keep 14 players and my roster consists of:QBsA. Rodgers GNBM. Ryan ATLJ. Garcia TBBV. Young TENRBsM. Turner ATLC. Johnson TENL. Johnson KCCJ. Charles KCCL. Betts WASWRsA. Johnson HOUD. Bowe KCCB. Edwards CLEL. Evans BUFC. Chambers SDCA. Bryant TBBTEsO. Daniels HOUT. Heap BALKM. Crosby GBPDEFEaglesPanthersWe start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, and 1 DEF.

Lance Moore is injured - Lewis is on his way out - you've got better RB's now - and you've LJ's primary back up - why would you even think about trading in this situation?

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Dynasty PPR League, decimal scoring .1 per yard, 6 pts per TD, Start 1 QB, 2 RBs, 3 WR/TE, 1 PK, 1 Def, 12 teams, 25 man roster

I need another stud to put me over the top this year, but I don't want to give up too much to do it. How do you know when it's too much when the trade would better your team? If I can trade 2 - #2 guys [one RB (like Graham) and one WR (like Welker or Cotchery)] for a top tier WR (like T.O. or Colston) do I give up two solid guys for the Stud?

Full Roster in Signature

Thanks

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First of all, there are far too many people on here that are simply looking for awnsers to ther questions and want no part of offering advice on others questions or posts. also, as someone that has strong opinions and likes to express them, I often enjoy posting my thoughts on others questions. The "exchange" of " look at my post and ill awnser yours" seems .... insulting to me. I look forward to the opportunity to help people and offer my advice. Like an offer or bribe in the headline to "reply to mine" should be leverage to get a response in the first place is silly, and additionallly it is very rarely followed through on. And fianlly, why do so many people read the threads but refuse to take the time to post a short opinion? If you are there reading it, why not simply post a short reply with a little back up to their opinion. Seeing that 18 people had viewed your post and you have one response is almost as Frustrating as the one response bieng "Yes, do it. Please see my post" If everyone was more participative and involved and was a littel more certious with the posts and replies this could be a better experience for all of us.

I will try to respnd more often. However currently it's hard for me to get acces to an computer at times . You made some valid points about feedback. Howver I believe most people think you guys are the experts in FFL.

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Another suggestion is to make simple questions, especially WDIS questions, into a poll. You will get a lot more responses that way because not everyone wants to post, but it's easy to vote in a poll.

Also, for WDIS questions it's helpful if you include the players' matchups so people can consider your question without having to look anything up. Many people won't respond if they have to do additional research... or worse they will write an uninformed response.

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First of all, there are far too many people on here that are simply looking for awnsers to ther questions and want no part of offering advice on others questions or posts. also, as someone that has strong opinions and likes to express them, I often enjoy posting my thoughts on others questions. The "exchange" of " look at my post and ill awnser yours" seems .... insulting to me. I look forward to the opportunity to help people and offer my advice. Like an offer or bribe in the headline to "reply to mine" should be leverage to get a response in the first place is silly, and additionallly it is very rarely followed through on. And fianlly, why do so many people read the threads but refuse to take the time to post a short opinion? If you are there reading it, why not simply post a short reply with a little back up to their opinion. Seeing that 18 people had viewed your post and you have one response is almost as Frustrating as the one response bieng "Yes, do it. Please see my post" If everyone was more participative and involved and was a littel more certious with the posts and replies this could be a better experience for all of us.

good post

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wasn't exactly sure where to post this so I though I'd stick it here...hopefully I get a response.

Is there a way to see how many posts members have? I don't know if I need to tweak my settings or what. I would just like to know the credibility of who is responding to posts. This feature is on most message boards, thought it was odd when I didn't see it here.

Thanks

Post count is never a great way to gauge credibility.

But if it's that important to you, you can check this by clicking on a user's profile. Of course, it doesn't tell you how much time is spent in the Shark Pool or Assistant Coach's forums vs. the Free For All forum. Nor does it tell you whether a person is a returning member who "can't rembember their password" on the original account, so they had to create a new one.

Even on other forums, it's too easy to post often to get your post count up. It doesn't make a person who's been here 2 years more credible than someone who just joined, or had been lurking for 5 and never posted.

Hope that helps.

(ETA This question belongs more in the Website Questions forum, for future reference. )

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everytime I post in this forum I get no responeses this forum is useless and all over the place, I only use shark pool, this forum is USELESS sorry fellas...

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Another suggestion is to make simple questions, especially WDIS questions, into a poll. You will get a lot more responses that way because not everyone wants to post, but it's easy to vote in a poll.

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Need some help.10 team league, 3 keepers, draft formatstandard scoringstart 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, K, Def, 1 flexI have Peyton, Julie Jones, Willie Parker, Plaxico, and Darrell Jackson startingI have one flex spot left to fill:Question:Start Kevin Jones or Antonio Bryant?

What's wrong with people that makes them put questions in this thread?

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Need some help.10 team league, 3 keepers, draft formatstandard scoringstart 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, K, Def, 1 flexI have Peyton, Julie Jones, Willie Parker, Plaxico, and Darrell Jackson startingI have one flex spot left to fill:Question:Start Kevin Jones or Antonio Bryant?

What's wrong with people that makes them put questions in this thread?

:goodposting: i gotta take a :pics:

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hey guys,

its my first time on the forum and the first time participating in a ppr league. I had pick 9 in a 12 team ppr league.

My roster:

Qb: matt ryan, flacco

Rb: chris johnson, slaton, rice, and felix jones

Wr: boldin, desean jackson, anthony gonzalez, andrew walter, and hixon

Te: john carlson and brent celek

K: hartley (saints)

Def: San diego

How would you rate this roster? the dallas and Ny jets def are on the waiver wire, should i drop any of these players to pick up one of those defenses? especially since merriman may get suspended. Also, should i start rice over chris johnson week one? kind of a silly question, but johnson is facing pittsburgh

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QB warner

RB slaton

RB jacobs

WR steve smith

WR brandon marshall

W/R R. grant

TE zach miller

K Kaeding

DEF titans D

BENCH

Santana moss

Eddie royal

Addai

Orton

Shonn Greene

Dolpins D

Percy harvin

And what package could I put together to get andre johnson without giving up smith, warner, or my 3 starting RBs?

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QB warner

RB slaton

RB jacobs

WR steve smith

WR brandon marshall

W/R R. grant

TE zach miller

K Kaeding

DEF titans D

BENCH

Santana moss

Eddie royal

Addai

Orton

Shonn Greene

Dolpins D

Percy harvin

And what package could I put together to get andre johnson without giving up smith, warner, or my 3 starting RBs?

And its a 10 team league

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You may also want to indicate what you are leaning toward or might be intending to do.

Hey David,Great suggestions here. The only thing I don't really agree with is the quoted suggestion. It seems that when a poster states what he/she is leaning towards, many replies will just go along with it as a quick, thoughtless answer.When I post a question, I try to leave my opinion out of it so I don't bias the replies. I have done both methods (giving my thoughts and not) and not giving it seems to get more thoughtful replies.Just my 2 cents.

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QB warnerRB slatonRB jacobsWR steve smithWR brandon marshallW/R R. grant TE zach millerK KaedingDEF titans D BENCHSantana mossEddie royalAddaiOrtonShonn GreeneDolpins D Percy harvinAnd what package could I put together to get andre johnson without giving up smith, warner, or my 3 starting RBs?And its a 10 team league

Marshall and Royal for AJ and ? might work

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if you post a poll, answer some other ones. if you have any additional insight that may be helpful reply to it, but at least VOTE. Its not hard and very fast. Sometimes this is all they may need, thus they made it apoll. Post for post, poll for poll.

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David, Should I Trade Jimmy Graham for Joique Bell & Jordan Reed?


In a league of 16 teams, snake draft and I had the #1 pick. My 1st pick was Jimmy Graham. Ppl were shocked when I did that...but I knew what I was doing...DUDE has come through, except last week. Every player due one bad game!


This how I look at it thought. Saints have only played 2 games at home and have 6 more...and we all know they way better at home than on the road. Enough with the yap, what you guys think of this trade offer??


Here is who I have in my team (note I am current 5-2 tied for 1st in my division):


STARTERS:

QB - Russell Wilson, Sea QB

RB - Branden Oliver, SD RB

RB - Stepfan Taylor, Ari RB

RB/WR - Mike Wallace, Mia WR

WR - Kelvin Benjamin, Car WR

WR - Doug Baldwin, Sea WR

TE - Jimmy Graham, NO TE

D/ST - Titans D/ST D/ST

K - Shayne Graham, NO K


BENCH:

Bench - Eric Decker, NYJ WR

Bench - Ryan Tannehill, Mia QB

Bench - Delanie Walker, Ten TE

Bench - Teddy Bridgewater, Min QB

Bench - Devin Hester, Atl WR

Bench - Darrin Reaves, Car RB

Bench - Fozzy Whittaker*, Car RB

Bench - Chris Ogbonnaya, Car RB

IR - Donnie Avery*, KC WR


As you can see I've been hurting in RBs but I've pulled it through. One of the games I lost I lost by 1 point...Falcon D gave me a turrble -7. Would have been won if I benched those fools...LOL. Oh well, Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda...


By the way this offer ends tonight 7:44PM ET! I am leaning toward NOT trading JG.

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Need some help.

10 team league, 3 keepers, draft format

standard scoring

start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, TE, K, Def, 1 flex

I have Peyton, Julie Jones, Willie Parker, Plaxico, and Darrell Jackson starting

I have one flex spot left to fill:

Question:

Start Kevin Jones or Antonio Bryant?

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I tend to check in here more in the offseason. The Fall & early Winter is always busy for me with my endless pursuit of migratory fish, hunting, managing several fantasy leagues and chasing fat chicks.When I check in, I try to answer the posts that pertain to roster building/trading. I find them more interesting to read and analyze compared to the WDIS questions that you can find answers for from about 10-15 websites each week.In the last year.....Tick would be the AC MVP. Everytime I check the AC out, he usually has replied to a few posts. For those of you that appreciate my opinion. Feel free to PM me about a question you may have, since I don't regularly get on the AC. I'm always willing to try to help someone else out. As long as they are not in any of my leagues :).-salmonstud

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I am in a 12 team ppr keeper league. We are allowed to keep 2 players from the previous season at the cost of 1 round below the round the player was drafted in. Example being a player drafted in the 6th round would cost a 5th round pick. I feel this is pretty standard, but we are not allowed to keep a player that was acquired in free agency as one of our two keepers. I have read and researched a lot on this subject and i see most free agents costing a 9 - 12th round pick. What are your guys thoughts on this matter and do you have any experience with free agents in keeper leagues? Thanks

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I'm wondering who to start, D. Foster or R. Bush

1qb, 1 rb, 1 wr, 2 rb/wr, 1 te, 1 k, 1 def

1 point per rec

1 point/10 yds rush/rec

6 points/td

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