Kyzersosik
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Maybe Steeler fans call it whinning and complaining but the rest of us football fans call it discussing and questioning.
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Ghost Rider
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I agree with those saying there wasn't enough visual evidence to overturn the Roethlisberger TD, but what made it questionable was that the ref ran it to mark it at the 1 (he was raising his arm as if to spot the ball at the 1/2 yard line) and then suddenly signaled touchdown when Roethlisberger put the ball across the goaline with his entire lower body on the ground. That is what made that a bad call, to me anyway.
Jimmy James
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I don't have it on a DVR, but I was wondering about it during the replay. I could only see 3 linemen when I looked. One was behind the red line. The other two were around 2 yards past the red line from what I could tell.
3C's
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Hey bright guy, read my earlier posts. I'm not rehashing them for you.Watch it again. You can tell he wasn't throwing a flag until he saw Jackson catch the ball and the defender complain. I would bet a million bucks that if Jackson had dropped the ball, no flag would have been thrown.Wow, what an argument you just made.
Steelers4Life
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It's discussing and questioning when some people do it.When other people want to try and cheapen the win or call these calls blatantly wrong and cry conspiracy, that's whining and complaining.
There's a lot of both going on.
The Jerk
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You know you basically said the same thing you said the first time, but the addition is important, so I'll answer you again.It is not at all uncommon for referees to be forced into making a call factoring in the result of the play. The function of the referees is to prevent a team from gaining an advantage. If there is no advantage, there is often no call. This is particularly true in the NBA or even college basketball. A slight push on a player on his way to the basket may be ignored, because calling it forces the player that was fouled to make two shots rather than the easy dunk/layup. I've seen where that call can be late, made only when the player misses, so that it gives the advantage to the player/team who was fouled.
I'm not saying that was the case here, but I wouldn't automatically call it bad officiating if somehow that is what happens. To me, the more important detail is whether or not there was a push or arm-bar made by Jackson, not the precise reaction time of the official who threw the flag. Unless you are claiming that there was no contact initiated by Jackson in which he gained some advantage, I don't know how you can say the call was incorrect. Borderline, maybe. But not CLEARLY wrong.
I haven't heard anyone say it was absurd. Borderline, maybe, but I've seen a play like that called PI plenty of times.
This is simply false. Discussed in another thread.
Now you're just making things up
Agreed that it was dumb, but it's not even within spitting distance of the idiocy of the Pit-Indy calls.
Yeah, that was weird, but I still think the ball crossed the plane (barely).
Sorry, but it has to be said: :tinhat:
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The Jerk
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I found on Wikipedia that it is five yards, not the two yards I claimed earlier. Sorry, wrong again. However, the officials got it right.(I understand that you can't rely on Wikipedia, but it's the best I could find. Until proven otherwise, I'll stick with the five yards.)
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3C's
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I had it on TiVo. Played it slowly and also paused to count linemen. All five linemen were behind the line initially. When Ben ran towards the sideline, 2 linmen crossed the LOS. 3 stayed behind. None ever got more than 3 yards past the LOS. Before Ben threw the ball, 1 got back to the LOS and Starks was about a yard past.
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Stevens TD was the result of a Pick, an illegal pick....... not as teeny tiny pick......a huge penalty flag inducing pick.
And The Block in the back on Ben during the interception return was blatantly obvious..........
No Flags on those plays.
And The Block in the back on Ben during the interception return was blatantly obvious..........
No Flags on those plays.
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It most certainly was....do you know what a pick is....madden called it as well
CalBear
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Roeth was blocked illegally in the back on the interception return, no call.Every call we`ve discussed went against the Seahewks. Most of the people in this thread had no rooting interest in the outcome yet still believe there was a problem with the officiating of the game. Congrats to the Steelers but man, the Refs were awful!
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Stevens also fumbled but the ball was whistled dead.....2 steps possesion BOOM
Steelers4Life
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Actually, it was, and it was broken down on the replay. Those are never called, though.
Elway Lives
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PC, but also correct in this case, even from a Bronco fan.
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Wasn't boderline....it was a pick.
falconeyed
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A pick's only illegal when the picker actually runs into the target of the pick. From what I remember, the WR never made contact with Polamalu. No contact = no pick.
The Jerk
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Not a pick, not even close. Happens all the time. It's perfectly legal to run traffic through a zone. That's how that happened here. Perhaps if Polamalu intentionally runs into Jackson, he could have drawn a flag. As I saw it, Polamalu was more obstructed by his teammate than by Jackson. It's good play design.
Kleck
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I see that a lot, but that isn't me. I'm a rational guy. I don't dwell on stuff that I can't control. Maybe its the coach in me, but whining about calls is pointless. Every team faces adversity. Every team. Yes, even the Steelers. I think they got hosed on the faux non-interception against Indy, but they overcame and won the game.There was only one real head scratching call in the game to me. Its was the Hasselbeck 15 yarder for the illegal block. Yes, Seattle had far more calls go against them, but each was a disputable call. Nothing that was over the top that was obviously wrong.
Did DJax have his hand on the chest of the DB on the TD? Of course he did. You watch the play and you see the DB actually go backwards from the contact. It was right in front of the ref.
I think people are trying to hold the refs to a standard that's too high. These guys are humans and I believe they're trying to do the best they can. There's no conspiracy here. Sure is a lot of
though.Could the calls have gone the other way? Yes, most definitely. Would they have insured a Seattle win? No way. Perhaps, but we'll never know. I find it odd how people assume that Alexander would have certainly scored from the 2 following the Stevens catch to the 2 yard line, but it wasn't a certainty that Bettis or Rothlisberger would have scored on 4th and inches if Big Ben had been marked short.
Keys Myaths
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No, they're not.A debate would consist of: "I felt that hold was incorrect, because he had the inside of the shoulders...the refs should look more closely. I recognize your point about his right hand ending up *outside* the pads, but I don't feel that contributed to the play."
This thread: "OMG the fix was in!! There's NO WAY that was right, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid poopeyhead!"
See the difference?
The Jerk
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Classy words, Shick!Congrats on a great year for the Seahawks, and good luck claiming a championship sometime in the next few years. I think there's every reason to believe this was the first of multiple trips to the big game.I see that a lot, but that isn't me. I'm a rational guy. I don't dwell on stuff that I can't control. Maybe its the coach in me, but whining about calls is pointless. Every team faces adversity. Every team. Yes, even the Steelers. I think they got hosed on the faux non-interception against Indy, but they overcame and won the game.There was only one real head scratching call in the game to me. Its was the Hasselbeck 15 yarder for the illegal block. Yes, Seattle had far more calls go against them, but each was a disputable call. Nothing that was over the top that was obviously wrong.
Did DJax have his hand on the chest of the DB on the TD? Of course he did. You watch the play and you see the DB actually go backwards from the contact. It was right in front of the ref.
I think people are trying to hold the refs to a standard that's too high. These guys are humans and I believe they're trying to do the best they can. There's no conspiracy here. Sure is a lot of
Could the calls have gone the other way? Yes, most definitely. Would they have insured a Seattle win? No way. Perhaps, but we'll never know. I find it odd how people assume that Alexander would have certainly scored from the 2 following the Stevens catch to the 2 yard line, but it wasn't a certainty that Bettis or Rothlisberger would have scored on 4th and inches if Big Ben had been marked short.
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Steelers4Life
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I see that a lot, but that isn't me. I'm a rational guy. I don't dwell on stuff that I can't control. Maybe its the coach in me, but whining about calls is pointless. Every team faces adversity. Every team. Yes, even the Steelers. I think they got hosed on the faux non-interception against Indy, but they overcame and won the game.There was only one real head scratching call in the game to me. Its was the Hasselbeck 15 yarder for the illegal block. Yes, Seattle had far more calls go against them, but each was a disputable call. Nothing that was over the top that was obviously wrong.
Did DJax have his hand on the chest of the DB on the TD? Of course he did. You watch the play and you see the DB actually go backwards from the contact. It was right in front of the ref.
I think people are trying to hold the refs to a standard that's too high. These guys are humans and I believe they're trying to do the best they can. There's no conspiracy here. Sure is a lot of
Could the calls have gone the other way? Yes, most definitely. Would they have insured a Seattle win? No way. Perhaps, but we'll never know. I find it odd how people assume that Alexander would have certainly scored from the 2 following the Stevens catch to the 2 yard line, but it wasn't a certainty that Bettis or Rothlisberger would have scored on 4th and inches if Big Ben had been marked short.
The voice of reason. You should start a thread with this post just so everyone can read it.
Otter
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What a bunch of whiners... Blaming the refs? C'mon!!! The Seahawks made ONE play tonight, which was the interception at the goal line. Had that interception not happened, I'd not be responding to this thread.
The better team won. They played like crap, but they still won.
I thought the officiating was rather good tonight. Cry all you want about holding calls, but they weren't bad calls. DJax also pushed off. Had the calls went the other way, we'd be reading 1000 posts from Steeler fans about the refs. Bottom line - it's hard to accept defeat, and you look for anything to make you feel better. Be happy you were in the game, and be happy Pittsburgh didn't play well, or it could have been 41-21.
The better team won. They played like crap, but they still won.
I thought the officiating was rather good tonight. Cry all you want about holding calls, but they weren't bad calls. DJax also pushed off. Had the calls went the other way, we'd be reading 1000 posts from Steeler fans about the refs. Bottom line - it's hard to accept defeat, and you look for anything to make you feel better. Be happy you were in the game, and be happy Pittsburgh didn't play well, or it could have been 41-21.
Keys Myaths
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3C's
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Good luck next year! There's no team in the NFL outside of Pittsburgh I'll be rooting more for.I see that a lot, but that isn't me. I'm a rational guy. I don't dwell on stuff that I can't control. Maybe its the coach in me, but whining about calls is pointless. Every team faces adversity. Every team. Yes, even the Steelers. I think they got hosed on the faux non-interception against Indy, but they overcame and won the game.There was only one real head scratching call in the game to me. Its was the Hasselbeck 15 yarder for the illegal block. Yes, Seattle had far more calls go against them, but each was a disputable call. Nothing that was over the top that was obviously wrong.
Did DJax have his hand on the chest of the DB on the TD? Of course he did. You watch the play and you see the DB actually go backwards from the contact. It was right in front of the ref.
I think people are trying to hold the refs to a standard that's too high. These guys are humans and I believe they're trying to do the best they can. There's no conspiracy here. Sure is a lot of
Could the calls have gone the other way? Yes, most definitely. Would they have insured a Seattle win? No way. Perhaps, but we'll never know. I find it odd how people assume that Alexander would have certainly scored from the 2 following the Stevens catch to the 2 yard line, but it wasn't a certainty that Bettis or Rothlisberger would have scored on 4th and inches if Big Ben had been marked short.
Keys Myaths
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It happens, surprisingly. You just have to ignore certain posters, and just talk to those who are willing to listen to people who have different opinions.They're out there.
I disagree. I think to get the most out of yourself, you need to be completely honest with yourself. If you rationalize away things for whatever reason, you are not allowing yourself to see the real picture as you know it to be and in the end are only shortchanging your own efforts. And it can only compound your problems.
Chaz McNulty
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There were two Seattle fans and 8 guys who had money on the Steelers at the SB party I was at.. Everyone of them thought Seattle got grossly jobbed.
It wasn't just the obvious calls, it was also the returns where Seattle would get the ball to the 40 and suddenly there was a marginal hold that would put the ball at the 15.
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It wasn't just the obvious calls, it was also the returns where Seattle would get the ball to the 40 and suddenly there was a marginal hold that would put the ball at the 15.
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ren hoek
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FWIW, Mike Florio, probably the writer I have the utmost respect for in regards to football, agrees with those who believe Seattle got jobbed.
There are a few here saying that Seattle "shoulda coulda woulda," which I don't agree with. But I think you are absolutely fooling yourself if you don't believe that referee calls had a HUGE part in this game.
There are a few here saying that Seattle "shoulda coulda woulda," which I don't agree with. But I think you are absolutely fooling yourself if you don't believe that referee calls had a HUGE part in this game.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htmA few pretty interesting reads there if you are curious.
The Jerk
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I saw clearly on one of the returns that the reason the return was so good was because of a hold/illegal block.Surely you've watched enough NFL games to see that 1) holding and blocks in the back happen a lot during punt returns, and 2) many long returns are called back due to penalties.
Sorry, but your happy gang of ten aren't the only ones who watched the game and have an opinion on it.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Funny, I'm still wondering how anyone can look at Darrell Jackson's push-off and NOT call it PI when he completely extended his arm right in front of the official.And I'm still wondering how Locklear's holding call is even questionable when he was at Haggans' side, beaten around the end, and grabbing with his right arm.
Calls went both ways...
Roethlisberger was blocked in the back on the INT return, which would've dropped the ball back to the 40 yard line instead of around the 20. Not called, but no one cares.
Stevens clearly caught the ball, took 2 steps, turned, and then fumbled in the first half. Whistle blown, dead ball, no fumble.
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