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Browns football and the Columbus Blue Jackets are both bringing it home next year.There is just SO MUCH going on in Ohio.There are protests outside of Quicken tonight, looks like they might burn the place down. They want the Cavs gone NOW.Cleveland hates Lebron James. They just don't have enough time for him.
Price had to be a lot of little white guys' hero. Kind of like Stockton minus the cheap shots (and proboably with a little better shot).
So you'd take it away from a fanbase that is likely to sell out every ticket next year in a rather new arena to move it to a new city with no ties to the team, with the only reason being that 10-15 years from now the population of the city the team is currently in may have dwindled enough to be unable to support it?That makes no sense. And besides, what major metro area are you going to move it to?
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I don't know much about the city of Cleveland, I admit. But it doesn't strike me as the type of area that's going to have a hard time supporting 40 basketball games a year anytime soon. Certainly no more trouble than any other town.What happens when you move the team, Lebron retires in 15 years and there's no long-term fanbase and no mega-star to support it?
Baltimore!
How popular was football back then? I'm not sure, but I'd imagine that Brown was nowhere near the public figure that Lebron is. I'd offer this as a comparison:Compare Brown to the Beatles
Cleveland stands at about 570k population as of 2000 with three teams.Buffalo has about 300k with the Bills and Sabres, which is almost like just having one club.
what in the world does this mean?
metropolitan areaCleveland - 2.25 million
I call bull#### on this.Link
The population of the metropolitan area in 1980 was 2,278,000, but by 1990 it totaled 2,202,000, or a decrease of 3.3 percent. The trend reversed in the 1990s. In 2004 the population was 2,137,000. Accurately characterizing the population of the metropolitan area is difficult because the fastest growing regions in 1990 actually were outside the officially designated area. For example, northern Summit County, while in Cleveland’s economic and cultural orbit, is counted as part of the Akron metropolitan area.
I'm pretty confident that the Cavs won't win it all this year. However, I'm fairly certain No. 16 will claim victory on his stance for years until the Cavs led by LJ wins it all. Even then he'll probably start in with the "He's no Jordan" line.Here's part of his first post:Haven't seen No. 16 for awhile, wonder if he'll suddenly show up when the Cavs lose, if they do?I know this thread has wandered a bit. For a good chuckle go back and read the first post again.
Being so stubborn to not admit he was even partially wrong makes him look, well, I have my opinion. I'm sure he'll be taken to task by others for taking that stance.
Just double checking here....So Carmelo Anthony....the same guy who was in an anti-snitch video, the same guy who has been suspended for character issues, the same guy who has never been out of the first round of the playoffs, the same guy who had problems with the coaches on the USA team...he has that special "it", but LBJ doesn't?
Florida already has two teams, neither of which are overwhelmingly supported.Jacksonville itself will probably be at 1.2 million in twenty years. Nevermind a developing metro area.metropolitan areaCleveland - 2.25 million
Jacksonville - 1.21 million
Jacksonville can't even support their NFL franchise, and you want to give them an NBA team as well?
they will also likely be without a professional sports franchise b/c the Jaguars aren't drawing well there.Jacksonville itself will probably be at 1.2 million in twenty years. Nevermind a developing metro area.metropolitan areaCleveland - 2.25 million
Jacksonville - 1.21 million
Jacksonville can't even support their NFL franchise, and you want to give them an NBA team as well?
I'm not debating that. But it looks to me like Jax is the sort of town you'd have to consider because its growing like a weed. Maybe Florida sports support sucks in 2006, but do you think it will always be that way?Florida already has two teams, neither of which are overwhelmingly supported.Jacksonville itself will probably be at 1.2 million in twenty years. Nevermind a developing metro area.metropolitan areaCleveland - 2.25 million
Jacksonville - 1.21 million
Jacksonville can't even support their NFL franchise, and you want to give them an NBA team as well?
Florida sports support doesn't suck at all. But there's no market for three NBA teams here. It's probably the 4th sport, easily 5th if you count in college football and even 6th or 7th if you get into Nascar or golf.I'm not debating that. But it looks to me like Jax is the sort of town you'd have to consider because its growing like a weed. Maybe Florida sports support sucks in 2006, but do you think it will always be that way?Florida already has two teams, neither of which are overwhelmingly supported.Jacksonville itself will probably be at 1.2 million in twenty years. Nevermind a developing metro area.metropolitan areaCleveland - 2.25 million
Jacksonville - 1.21 million
Jacksonville can't even support their NFL franchise, and you want to give them an NBA team as well?
Aren't a lot of those people just moving out of the city into the suburbs (US Census metro areas)? How has the metro area population changed in the last 20 years, and what is the prognosis for the next 50?
Well the NFL isn't even in Los Angeles so I guess that is understandable.they will also likely be without a professional sports franchise b/c the Jaguars aren't drawing well there.Jacksonville itself will probably be at 1.2 million in twenty years. Nevermind a developing metro area.metropolitan areaCleveland - 2.25 million
Jacksonville - 1.21 million
Jacksonville can't even support their NFL franchise, and you want to give them an NBA team as well?
I had the same thought. Urban sprawl is a reality. Tons of people are leaving the cities and moving into the surrounding suburbs.I just got done watching a local news report on which public schools in the Seattle city limits were possibly going to be shut down. The cause was that people are simply leaving the city, but the population of King county is still growing.
I'm not sure what you are getting at. St. Louis dropped to just one club in the baseball Cardinals for a time. I think that shows surrounding areas aren't as important. Heck, some include Akron as part of the Cleveland metro area, which I think is dumb because its an hour away and few really are gonna drive that distance with their season tickets.
St Louis Blues down?also, why are you so hung up on the city population? you don't think people from the suburbs can help support a sports franchise?
Getting LeBron o\/\/ns those things.LeBron is the best thing in basketball since Jordan. Any NBA team would give up any player for him.
Rochester, NY is an hour away from Buffalo but people there regularly drive to Buffalo for Bills and Sabres games. Heck, some Bills season ticket holders come from as far away as Albany. And, plenty of people from the Toronto area come down to Bills and Sabres games, which is at least a 90 to 120 minute drive.
The Indians and Browns are two of the best supported teams in their respective sports. They have a long history and a loyal fanbase. They are not going to have any trouble drawing fans.And LeBron is the savior of the entire NBA. His presence alone will create so many Cavaliers fans in the next 15 years, that the Cavs will have no trouble thriving in that market for decades to come.
St Louis Blues were founded in 1967 and made the playoffs every year from 1980 to 2004.why do you keep pretending as if they don't exist?
