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About 100 pages into Dance and:
Jon Snow hacking off weasly Janos Slynt's head was awesome. Don't mess with the ******* Lord Commander.
It'll be at least another 8 years before he's done.I think it is funny that the original link in this thread states that the 7 books would be finished for 2011.
I bet. Do we know whether he started to write the winds of winter?It'll be at least another 8 years before he's done.I think it is funny that the original link in this thread states that the 7 books would be finished for 2011.
He has I believe. He released a chapter on some uber underground ASOFAI message board a few months back.I bet. Do we know whether he started to write the winds of winter?It'll be at least another 8 years before he's done.I think it is funny that the original link in this thread states that the 7 books would be finished for 2011.
He has done readings of chapters. I think it has all been stuff that he intended to being in the last book, but got pushed into the upcoming one.He has I believe. He released a chapter on some uber underground ASOFAI message board a few months back.I bet. Do we know whether he started to write the winds of winter?It'll be at least another 8 years before he's done.I think it is funny that the original link in this thread states that the 7 books would be finished for 2011.
Originally, originally it was going to be three books (the Red Wedding was supposed to be in the first book), but once he got started he realized he had a lot more story to tell than would fit in three books.It'll be interesting to see if he can bring it home in two more. He says he knows exactly how it ends, though he supposedly doesn't work with an outline, so maybe it's arcing how he wants it to. Just seems like to me that there's been a bit of "what's around this corner?" with Martin and the story has expanded more than he ever thought it would. That doesn't really bother me as I'm more of a "the journey's the thing" kind of reader, but I can understand the frustration others have.Originally it was supposed to be six books, but then Book 4 became so big he had to split it into two (AFFC/ADWD). My guess is that he has so much story to tell that at least one of those next two books also gets too big and becomes two. He already had to move four chapters from Dance to Winds of Winter.Has he always said it was 7 books with these specific titles since Thrones was first published? I assume he has it all outlined . . . . hopefully better than Lost writers' outlines.There are supposedly two more books to come: The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. Honestly, I can't see how he can possibly wrap this up in just two books. The last two books haven't had much progress towrads resolving the main story lines. My bet is he slips a third book in there somewhere.without reading this whole thread, has martin said how many more books he is writing?
You can start with Book 2 if you'd like.Season 1 of GoT is almost identical to book 1.In fact, I can't think of a single semi-major thing that occurred in one and not the otherIt's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
GB you.You can start with Book 2 if you'd like.Season 1 of GoT is almost identical to book 1.In fact, I can't think of a single semi-major thing that occurred in one and not the otherIt's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
Season One lined up with Book One, but if you try to start reading the series with A Clash Of Kings I think you're missing out. Not only from a reading-enjoyment POV, but the books are much more detailed than the series and I have a feeling you'll be lost at certain points.It's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
This is the answer I knew I was going to get. You're no John Bender.Season One lined up with Book One, but if you try to start reading the series with A Clash Of Kings I think you're missing out. Not only from a reading-enjoyment POV, but the books are much more detailed than the series and I have a feeling you'll be lost at certain points.It's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
But there are a ton of less-than-major things and characters that were left out of the series, not to mention a biggie:You can start with Book 2 if you'd like.Season 1 of GoT is almost identical to book 1.In fact, I can't think of a single semi-major thing that occurred in one and not the otherIt's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
If that had been a better spoiler, I'd no longer have to read book 1.But there are a ton of less-than-major things and characters that were left out of the series, not to mention a biggie:You can start with Book 2 if you'd like.Season 1 of GoT is almost identical to book 1.In fact, I can't think of a single semi-major thing that occurred in one and not the otherIt's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.Most of the Lyanna backstory
I can only aspire to those heights.This is the answer I knew I was going to get. You're no John Bender.Season One lined up with Book One, but if you try to start reading the series with A Clash Of Kings I think you're missing out. Not only from a reading-enjoyment POV, but the books are much more detailed than the series and I have a feeling you'll be lost at certain points.It's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:
Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning?
This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
If that had been a better spoiler, I'd no longer have to read book 1.There's more than just that. I dunno - I just think there are a lot of things in the books that matter that didn't or won't make it into the TV show.But there are a ton of less-than-major things and characters that were left out of the series, not to mention a biggie:You can start with Book 2 if you'd like.Season 1 of GoT is almost identical to book 1.In fact, I can't think of a single semi-major thing that occurred in one and not the otherIt's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning? This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.Most of the Lyanna backstory
This is what I did (I actually started Game of Thrones, got about 6 chapters in and jumped to Clash). I plan to go back and read it again. Hit those chapter summaries I posted if you want some more detailed explanations. And there are some slight variations between the book and the first season.It's probably in here somewhere already, but I'm not reading all this ####. Watched season 1 on HBO. Curious about what happens next. Did S1 end about the same time as the book? I guess what I'm asking is:
Can I just pick up A Clash of Kings and start reading and be OK or should I just wait for S2? Or do I need to pick up the first book and start at the beginning?
This is probably a dumb place to ask this question. Something tells me I know the answer I'm going to get.
Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.
I like the Book's version of the prologue better.Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.
Well, other than the whole "throwing the little kid off a tower" thing.C'mon! He did it for love.Love of what though? If he succeeds in killing Bran, the war never starts. Lots of innocent people get to live.Kingslayer story arc through ADwD
How do people feel about Jaime Lannister. I tend to think he's done a total 180 and will be a tragic hero moving forward.how far are you into the story?I've read them all at one point or another. Although there are some 5 year gaps in there where I certainly might read something completely differently now.ah, okay. I am only about 400 into Crows but a recent chapter ended with Jamie going over The White Book with the history of the Kingsguard noting "most are forgotten, with only the heroic and the despicable remembered, as well as some who possessed both qualities like Ser Criston Cole the Kingmaker". I figure Jamie is heading for some level of redemption. Other than being arrogant and a sister ####er, not sure what else he can be blamed for.
Well, other than the whole "throwing the little kid off a tower" thing.C'mon! He did it for love.Love of what though? If he succeeds in killing Bran, the war never starts. Lots of innocent people get to live.The war was inevitable.Kingslayer story arc through ADwD
How do people feel about Jaime Lannister. I tend to think he's done a total 180 and will be a tragic hero moving forward.how far are you into the story?I've read them all at one point or another. Although there are some 5 year gaps in there where I certainly might read something completely differently now.ah, okay. I am only about 400 into Crows but a recent chapter ended with Jamie going over The White Book with the history of the Kingsguard noting "most are forgotten, with only the heroic and the despicable remembered, as well as some who possessed both qualities like Ser Criston Cole the Kingmaker". I figure Jamie is heading for some level of redemption. Other than being arrogant and a sister ####er, not sure what else he can be blamed for.
Kingslayer story arc through ADwD
How do people feel about Jaime Lannister. I tend to think he's done a total 180 and will be a tragic hero moving forward.how far are you into the story?I've read them all at one point or another. Although there are some 5 year gaps in there where I certainly might read something completely differently now.ah, okay. I am only about 400 into Crows but a recent chapter ended with Jamie going over The White Book with the history of the Kingsguard noting "most are forgotten, with only the heroic and the despicable remembered, as well as some who possessed both qualities like Ser Criston Cole the Kingmaker". I figure Jamie is heading for some level of redemption. Other than being arrogant and a sister ####er, not sure what else he can be blamed for.
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.
I'm at 400. And I'm still getting to know characters. guess patience is the key here.About 200 into Crows. So far its a bit slow but i dont mind the new characters and i like getting to know sone of these other characters better.
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.
???The one that was beheaded was not one of the three in the Prologue.'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.There where at least 3 in the book, and one did escape (and get beheaded.)
???The one that was beheaded was not one of the three in the Prologue.'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.There where at least 3 in the book, and one did escape (and get beheaded.)
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.There where at least 3 in the book, and one did escape (and get beheaded.)
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.There where at least 3 in the book, and one did escape (and get beheaded.)???The one that was beheaded was not one of the three in the Prologue.
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.'John Bender said:I trust Uruk knows what he's talking about.
But I started with Book 2 and went back and read book 1 later. I really didn't feel like I was missing a thing. Just my personal preference.
As far as books-to-movies (or TV series) goes, I felt GoT translation to the screen was one of the best I can remember.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.There where at least 3 in the book, and one did escape (and get beheaded.)???The one that was beheaded was not one of the three in the Prologue.Yes he was.
'JerseyToughGuys said:I like the Book's version of the prologue better.'Uruk-Hai said:Agreed. Logistically, they had to streamline certain things but overall it was pretty seamless.Having the one Night's Watch turned Wight strangle the other is a bit more WTF than having the guy live, flee and get beheaded.There where at least 3 in the book, and one did escape (and get beheaded.)???The one that was beheaded was not one of the three in the Prologue.Yes he was.See above. Meant it wasn't the one they depicted in the show. Will is the young timid one. He was chocked out by Wight Ser Royce in the book. The more seasoned guy was (the one the gets beheaded by the other) was the one they infer escaped.
I think the producers/directors have done as fine a job as I've seen for a book/TV adaptation. I know some of the silliness has driven you crazy, sweeney, but I feel that most of us Luddites who are not in the biz are satisfied.Gotcha, wasn't sure what you were saying. I thought it was a good scene though on the show, though I was disappointed with the way the Walker looked. I almost never expect the show scenes to be better than the books. Usually the best you can get out of it is a sense of scale that the imagination doesn't always fill in, of course the scale was pretty small on the screen because of the budget (as opposed to LotR movies for example). The set and costume design though on the show is much better than what I had in my mind.
That's the huge disconnect between us and the masses. It's really hard to put that out of my mind when watching stuff, so i tend to be extra gooey about shows that either I get so absorbed in that I don't even think about how they did it, or is so freaking good that the awesomeness overpowers my industry goggles. That's why low points or weak episodes infuriate me so much. I know when I watched the 10 minute preview of it a few weeks before the debut I didn't think about how they shot it until the second viewing when the episode actually aired.I think the producers/directors have done as fine a job as I've seen for a book/TV adaptation. I know some of the silliness has driven you crazy, sweeney, but I feel that most of us Luddites who are not in the biz are satisfied.Gotcha, wasn't sure what you were saying. I thought it was a good scene though on the show, though I was disappointed with the way the Walker looked.
I almost never expect the show scenes to be better than the books. Usually the best you can get out of it is a sense of scale that the imagination doesn't always fill in, of course the scale was pretty small on the screen because of the budget (as opposed to LotR movies for example). The set and costume design though on the show is much better than what I had in my mind.
I can dig it. I just feel badly for your ilk - if the show was about deep foundations in construction, I'd be the same. Maybe being lazy as a viewer is a good thing sometimes.That's the huge disconnect between us and the masses. It's really hard to put that out of my mind when watching stuff, so i tend to be extra gooey about shows that either I get so absorbed in that I don't even think about how they did it, or is so freaking good that the awesomeness overpowers my industry goggles. That's why low points or weak episodes infuriate me so much. I know when I watched the 10 minute preview of it a few weeks before the debut I didn't think about how they shot it until the second viewing when the episode actually aired.I think the producers/directors have done as fine a job as I've seen for a book/TV adaptation. I know some of the silliness has driven you crazy, sweeney, but I feel that most of us Luddites who are not in the biz are satisfied.Gotcha, wasn't sure what you were saying. I thought it was a good scene though on the show, though I was disappointed with the way the Walker looked.
I almost never expect the show scenes to be better than the books. Usually the best you can get out of it is a sense of scale that the imagination doesn't always fill in, of course the scale was pretty small on the screen because of the budget (as opposed to LotR movies for example). The set and costume design though on the show is much better than what I had in my mind.
UH can correct me if I'm mistaken, but at one point, Martin also planned on having a five-year gap between two books. When that was scrapped due to logistical considerations, it also meant that the story would have to grow.Unfortunately, it also means that he doesn't have it all outlined, and much like the Lost/BSG writers, he sees himself as more of a "gardener" than an "architect", in his words. That worries me.Originally, originally it was going to be three books (the Red Wedding was supposed to be in the first book), but once he got started he realized he had a lot more story to tell than would fit in three books.Originally it was supposed to be six books, but then Book 4 became so big he had to split it into two (AFFC/ADWD). My guess is that he has so much story to tell that at least one of those next two books also gets too big and becomes two. He already had to move four chapters from Dance to Winds of Winter.Has he always said it was 7 books with these specific titles since Thrones was first published? I assume he has it all outlined . . . . hopefully better than Lost writers' outlines.There are supposedly two more books to come: The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. Honestly, I can't see how he can possibly wrap this up in just two books. The last two books haven't had much progress towrads resolving the main story lines. My bet is he slips a third book in there somewhere.without reading this whole thread, has martin said how many more books he is writing?
Oh #### yea.
Didn't sound like Renly.Is that Stannis doing the narration?
Had to be Stannis based on the content. Was that the letter he sent out? I do not recall that line from the book "the cold winds are rising" but I think I have forgotten a lot. Refresh my recollection.Didn't sound like Renly.Is that Stannis doing the narration?
yes sir~!Is that Stannis doing the narration?
Definitely Stannis.I have never read the books, but when the season ended Renly had escaped secretly in the night and Ned's letter had been sent out. So either Stannis got the letter or Renly informed Stannis (knowing that he would need protection from the Lannisters now that Ned and Robert were gone). I am curious to see how many contenders we have throw their hat in for the throne.Had to be Stannis based on the content. Was that the letter he sent out? I do not recall that line from the book "the cold winds are rising" but I think I have forgotten a lot. Refresh my recollection.Didn't sound like Renly.Is that Stannis doing the narration?
same dude, but just less gay looking, right?